NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[The UK in Exile]

they used them against Iraq, and once the strategic mission has been taken away from the B-52, why the hell not?

The army learned a hard lesson about Media management and Short service tours.

Don't worry, WW3 would be short enough that service tours and media wouldn't be a serious problem. It would only last a month at most.

over by christmas is another old saw you'd have thought WW1 finished off.

[Galla-]

Don't worry, WW3 would be short enough that service tours and media wouldn't be a serious problem. It would only last a month at most.

over by christmas is another old saw you'd have thought WW1 finished off.

The massive use of atomic weapons on the French border will make it Christmas in August.

Don't eat the glowing snow. ):

- No, you're not supposed to dismount on top of the enemy. The IFV and the infantry are there to support each other. Granted, there are situations where you can't help it, but in general, IFV + dismounted squad > IFV + guys inside.

I would consider 500m to be very close.

That's how far away from the enemy the USSR thought you should dismount.

[Graznovia]

Is it a bad idea to equip platoon 'command' (not so much command as in dedicated command versions of the vehicle but rather the vehicle in which platoon command rides) with a mortar (probably 2B9 Vasilek), considering that it would imply to the adversary that the vehicle with the mortar contains the command element?

[Rich and Corporations]

this thread is so much better now that questers and galla are osting.

according to my calculations, an abrams only needs 1000 hp when moving defensively, based on this, i should have 2x 1000 hp turbine engines, 1x 50 hp turbine engines, all within an electric drive envelop.

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~840 men

Command Staff

Regiment Leader
Sergeant Major
Personnel Officer
Intelligence Officer
Regiment Paymaster
Regiment Chief Mechanician
Regiment Quartermaster
Communications Officer
Medical Officer
Legal Officer
Chaplain
+30 NCOs
+70 enlisted


1x Tank Company (~50 men)
2 command MBT ,

3x Assault Companies (~174 men)
1x Howitzer Battery (~50 men)

1x Missile Battery (~50 men)

Anti-tank missiles & anti-aircraft missiles
Mechanician Unit (~25 men)

1x Material Support Unit (~40 men)

[Ayreonia]

- No, you're not supposed to dismount on top of the enemy. The IFV and the infantry are there to support each other. Granted, there are situations where you can't help it, but in general, IFV + dismounted squad > IFV + guys inside.

I would consider 500m to be very close.

That's how far away from the enemy the USSR thought you should dismount.

500m is still outside the effective range of most small arms. Not something I'd consider to be "right on top".

The USSR advocated shock tactics that would be considered outdated today.

[Questers]

I would consider 500m to be very close.

That's how far away from the enemy the USSR thought you should dismount.

500m is still outside the effective range of most small arms. Not something I'd consider to be "right on top".

The USSR advocated shock tactics that would be considered outdated today.

yeah because the people who consider them outdated today are the same ones who cant seem to quell a couple of muslims with ak47s.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I would consider 500m to be very close.

That's how far away from the enemy the USSR thought you should dismount.

500m is still outside the effective range of most small arms. Not something I'd consider to be "right on top".

The USSR advocated shock tactics that would be considered outdated today.

500m is close enough to be pinned down as an area target by every rifleman.
It's also well within the effective point target range of a marksman, machine gunner and grenadier.

The USSR advocated Soviet Deep Battle, a highly potent large-unit strategy.

[Red Schrattal]

500m is still outside the effective range of most small arms. Not something I'd consider to be "right on top".

The USSR advocated shock tactics that would be considered outdated today.

yeah because the people who consider them outdated today are the same ones who cant seem to quell a couple of muslims with ak47s.

The people who considered it relevant couldn't quell the same muslims with the same AKs, so I'm not sure the appeal to COIN makes a difference.

[Questers]

yeah because the people who consider them outdated today are the same ones who cant seem to quell a couple of muslims with ak47s.

The people who considered it relevant couldn't quell the same muslims with the same AKs, so I'm not sure the appeal to COIN makes a difference.

The USSR didn't change its formal doctrine to fight them though.

[Rich and Corporations]

I would consider 500m to be very close.

That's how far away from the enemy the USSR thought you should dismount.

500m is still outside the effective range of most small arms. Not something I'd consider to be "right on top".

The USSR advocated shock tactics that would be considered outdated today.

500m is also outside the effective range of accurately firing unguided anti tank rockets at your IFVs.

[Purpelia]

500m is still outside the effective range of most small arms. Not something I'd consider to be "right on top".

The USSR advocated shock tactics that would be considered outdated today.

500m is also outside the effective range of accurately firing unguided anti tank rockets at your IFVs.

I think that is the point. Drive as close up as is safe and pin the enemy down with your 100mm worth of HE and 30mm worth of more HE and 3 x 7.62 worth of dakka whilst the infantry dismounts. Than assault what's left.

[Galla-]

I would consider 500m to be very close.

That's how far away from the enemy the USSR thought you should dismount.

500m is still outside the effective range of most small arms. Not something I'd consider to be "right on top".

The USSR advocated shock tactics that would be considered outdated today.

They really didn't.

[Questers]

[Galla-]

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misha im stuck ; _ ;

[Anemos Major]

misha im stuck ; _ ;

now you ain't gonna get that ass of yours through the Fulda Gap if you don't slim down baby

[Questers]

yeah kat lay off the tushonka

[Anemos Major]

tu-honka, more like



honk honk

convoi exceptionnel

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Analogous to "long vehicle", I assume?
Literally, "unusual load"?

[Galla-]

yeah kat lay off the tushonka

too much lutefisk sry >:

[Anemos Major]

Analogous to "long vehicle", I assume?
Literally, "unusual load"?

Kind of. It literally means 'unusual convoy (i.e. vehicle, in reference to the load *and* the transporter vehicle)', and it pertains to vehicles that aren't simply long but also larger or heavier than the road regulations permit.

[Ayreonia]

500m is also outside the effective range of accurately firing unguided anti tank rockets at your IFVs.

I think that is the point. Drive as close up as is safe and pin the enemy down with your 100mm worth of HE and 30mm worth of more HE and 3 x 7.62 worth of dakka whilst the infantry dismounts. Than assault what's left.

While you take an AT missile to your flank because you didn't have infantry protecting you.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I think that is the point. Drive as close up as is safe and pin the enemy down with your 100mm worth of HE and 30mm worth of more HE and 3 x 7.62 worth of dakka whilst the infantry dismounts. Than assault what's left.

While you take an AT missile to your flank because you didn't have infantry protecting you.

"As close as is safe" being the recommended five hundred metres standoff.

[Ea90]

yeah kat lay off the tushonka

too much lutefisk sry >:

there is no such thing as too much lutefisk >:-(|| (that is angry sad man with double chin)

[Ayreonia]

While you take an AT missile to your flank because you didn't have infantry protecting you.

"As close as is safe" being the recommended five hundred metres standoff.

Because infantrymen never lay in ambush ahead of the main line.

[Martian Free Union]

Would it be realistic for a wartime conscription nation to have 15% of it's population in the military? Maybe more if it's been invaded? What be a realistic number if this is not. BTW running two countries one that is akin to the U.S.S.R during the Stalingrad time period of WW2 and the other that's like the German army during the blitzkrieg part of the war hoping you could help me figure realistic numbers for both if both have conscription and the Russian likeness has been invaded.