NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[Lolzieristan]

Goliath?

Bitch, please. We filled heavy bombers with that shit.


We killed twelve of our best pilots, and exactly zero Nazis.

Methinks successful remote control is a bit beyond 1942 technology.

[New Vihenia]

The Arbalet is different entirely, though I know some on that.
The...whatever...was on the MIL MI-28 and a version was in trials for the MI-24/35

Kinzhal V..yes that thing was plagued by problems.

I think it would do well to include both.
The simplified instructions to aid use, with the greater theory to allow users to learn and understand the concepts.

sure

What I would love to see is some comments on each of the non obvious fields giving us the common range of data values for them. For example "Values are commonly between A and B." or "Should not exceed C.", "Should not be less than D", or anything else that would pose a soft limit for the less knowledgeable among us.

sure. Nonetheless.. some variables like track rates and amount of "precision" required for tracking require further findings.. as my radar literatures haven't stated anything at all related to those.

While we are at those less knowledgeable (like my self.) I know this is a boring thing to ask from you. But ideally you should include several filled out sheets for various prominent radars out there. Preferably covering a nice cross section of those currently still in use or those that are somehow famous. Say the Zhuk, APG-79, Blue Vixen,... The idea behind this being that most people will want to start out at (or even finish at) just tweaking existing units rather than building one from scratch. And the best way to figure things out is to tweak stuff and see what it does as well as to compare existing stuff to one another.

Sure. I'll start with the APG-63, AWG-9, N001, N011M BARS, Irbis-E and the Zaslon.

Also, any web host but mediafire. For some reason the thing is very polarizing with some of us having a brilliant experience with it and others (like my self) having extreme issues with using it. Took me 45 minutes and two different web proxies to finally manage and download it.

Bit strange though well i'll use depositfiles then.

So many thanks for the inputs and comments. Let's see what can i do later.

[European Prussia]

Well, if we strap em to today's RC vehicles wouldn't we have a Goliath 2? Oh wait, we already have those expensive's RC. It's called UAV's

True, modern day RC technology would make them more practical, and the control circuits would be pretty cheap. At the time though Germany used cables to relay the commands which sucked. Basic idea of them is sound though.

UAVs are an entirely different story though.

Am not inspiring anyone but, strapping bombs on RC vehicles may sound practical in today's unconventional warfare

[The Corparation]

Goliath?

Bitch, please. We filled heavy bombers with that shit.


We killed twelve of our best pilots, and exactly zero Nazis.

Methinks successful remote control is a bit beyond 1942 technology.

Small UGVs filled with explosives were brought up. Goliath fits the bill. Although the remote control was its main weakspot. If they'd used radio control instead of cables they'd of been more effective. And the technology for radio control existed at the time.

[Purpelia]

Goliath?

Bitch, please. We filled heavy bombers with that shit.


We killed twelve of our best pilots, and exactly zero Nazis.

Methinks successful remote control is a bit beyond 1942 technology.

Small UGVs filled with explosives were brought up. Goliath fits the bill. Although the remote control was its main weakspot. If they'd used radio control instead of cables they'd of been more effective. And the technology for radio control existed at the time.

It's not just the RC. That's the least of it's worries. You can just provide it covering fire to stop people from cutting the wire. And it's not like radio control is any better as the hardware needed for a proper encryption would render the vehicle too expensive to waste by blowing it up on a regular basis. The real issues with it were the cost to manufacture and the fact that you could not armor it effectively. So they could not make that many of them and one could just shoot it out.

The technology of the time simply was not mature enough to give you a decent suicide UGV. And I am not sure it is now either.

[Lolzieristan]

I know, I know...

Still, though, I can't help but wonder what advantages a slow, ground-crawling mobile landmine would have over a guided rocket packing a more-or-less comparable amount of explosive force.

[The Corparation]

I know, I know...

Still, though, I can't help but wonder what advantages a slow, ground-crawling mobile landmine would have over a guided rocket packing a more-or-less comparable amount of explosive force.

Against tanks? None, against fortifications or barriers during an assault? A Goliath analogue could be pretty effective.

[Lolzieristan]

My point being that unless you could get the thing over thirty miles per hour or so, it would be fairly easy to terminate explosively. Just a well-led hand grenade in its way, or, God forbid somebody has an under barrel grenade launcher, a high-caliber machine gun like a .50, etc etc.

All that could be accomplished with a slightly beefier TOW missile. Much faster, harder to stop, etc etc etc.

Plus, it's not like they have some type of anti-jamming capability that a missile would lack.

Sure, they'd carry more explosives, but sometimes that's not the best idea. Why not just call in an air strike, a rocket artillery strike, a large-caliber bombardment...

[Republic of Wreptzle]

Against tanks? None, against fortifications or barriers during an assault? A Goliath analogue could be pretty effective.

It is important to note that the more versatile a vehicle/army is, the more likely it will be successful.

[European Prussia]

Against tanks? None, against fortifications or barriers during an assault? A Goliath analogue could be pretty effective.

It is important to note that the more versatile a vehicle/army is, the more likely it will be successful.

The soviets tried strapping bombs to dogs

[Lolzieristan]

It is important to note that the more versatile a vehicle/army is, the more likely it will be successful.

The soviets tried strapping bombs to dogs

And the French partisans tied the pins of grenades to crooked paintings with fishing wire, because only a German would be anal enough to stop and adjust a painting in the middle of a war zone.

My motto: "If it's stupid, and it works, then it's not stupid."

[European Prussia]

The soviets tried strapping bombs to dogs

And the French partisans tied the pins of grenades to crooked paintings with fishing wire, because only a German would be anal enough to stop and adjust a painting in the middle of a war zone.

My motto: "If it's stupid, and it works, then it's not stupid."

and fishermen uses bombs to catch fish which was adapted by the Filipino guerillas against the Japanese

[San-Silvacian]

The soviets tried strapping bombs to dogs

And the French partisans tied the pins of grenades to crooked paintings with fishing wire, because only a German would be anal enough to stop and adjust a painting in the middle of a war zone.

My motto: "If it's stupid, and it works, then it's not stupid."

"Hans! Ze Americans vill be arriving in a few hours! Fortify this building!"

"Ya Commandant! Even ze Paintings?"

"Ya of course Hans! Good Germans cannot fight if ze paintings are crocked! Thats how ve lost Stalingrad!"

[The Akasha Colony]

While we are at those less knowledgeable (like my self.) I know this is a boring thing to ask from you. But ideally you should include several filled out sheets for various prominent radars out there. Preferably covering a nice cross section of those currently still in use or those that are somehow famous. Say the Zhuk, APG-79, Blue Vixen,... The idea behind this being that most people will want to start out at (or even finish at) just tweaking existing units rather than building one from scratch. And the best way to figure things out is to tweak stuff and see what it does as well as to compare existing stuff to one another.

Sure. I'll start with the APG-63, AWG-9, N001, N011M BARS, Irbis-E and the Zaslon.

I wonder if it would be possible to include any shipborne radar sets? I was trying to determine the range of my naval search sets.

[The Corparation]

It is important to note that the more versatile a vehicle/army is, the more likely it will be successful.

The soviets tried strapping bombs to dogs

And then trained them using mostly soviet tanks. And then the Germans found out about the program and shot any dog they saw.

[Altito Asmoro]

And the French partisans tied the pins of grenades to crooked paintings with fishing wire, because only a German would be anal enough to stop and adjust a painting in the middle of a war zone.

My motto: "If it's stupid, and it works, then it's not stupid."

and fishermen uses bombs to catch fish which was adapted by the Filipino guerillas against the Japanese

You mean the guerilla fighters of Filipino drop bombs to the swimming Japanese?

[European Prussia]

and fishermen uses bombs to catch fish which was adapted by the Filipino guerillas against the Japanese

You mean the guerilla fighters of Filipino drop bombs to the swimming Japanese?

Nope,they used it as grenades

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Sorry, wrong question.
Please ignore.

[European Prussia]

Evening all.

Does anyone know how much force is required to penetrate modern combat helmets?

Thanks.

AP round would do(if am not wrong)

[Aqizithiuda]

Evening all.

Does anyone know how much force is required to penetrate modern combat helmets?

Thanks.

PAGST and the like are generally proof against pistol rounds (excepting the 7.62 Tokarev of course), while some new prototypes are rated at Level III.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

AP round would do(if am not wrong)

Most likely.

PAGST and the like are generally proof against pistol rounds (excepting the 7.62 Tokarev of course), while some new prototypes are rated at Level III.

Dear god, that sounds immensely terrifying.
Wouldn't the impact of a 7.62mm NATO round damage the neck and/or spine?

Anyway, thanks for the answers.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

PAGST and the like are generally proof against pistol rounds (excepting the 7.62 Tokarev of course), while some new prototypes are rated at Level III.

Dear god, that sounds immensely terrifying.
Wouldn't the impact of a 7.62mm NATO round damage the neck and/or spine?

Yes.

I don't really see the point. Maybe they're thinking that broken necks are easier to fix than vacated skulls, but I'm not sure that's worth the weight.

[Lolzieristan]

Oh Lord, no doubt at all. The main purpose of a combat helmet is typically to protect against shrapnel, if you're getting shot in the head by a light machine gun, you're guaranteed at least death. If not more.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Oh Lord, no doubt at all. The main purpose of a combat helmet is typically to protect against shrapnel, if you're getting shot in the head by a light machine gun, you're guaranteed at least death. If not more.

What's more than death? Idk some "oops lol here's your body sprayed all over the place."

[Lolzieristan]

Oh Lord, no doubt at all. The main purpose of a combat helmet is typically to protect against shrapnel, if you're getting shot in the head by a light machine gun, you're guaranteed at least death. If not more.

What's more than death? Idk some "oops lol here's your body sprayed all over the place."

"Well, you see, this helmet is rated to prevent anywhere above 120% überdeath. I guarantee you, you'll only die a little bit from a shot to the head, unlike my rivals' products. Theirs are just...messy."