NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[The Republic of Lanos]

Would six-color DBDU do a decent job at urban camo?

I just imagine it doing the trick xD

Probably substitute the lightest tan for more black, and hell yeah.


Actually...well, now I'm sad that I suck at drawing. Because I really want that.

Ha. I'd keep it the original way and use it regardless because it would work easily. Just have a reversible cover.

[Registug]

Vehicles look sexy in AUSCAM

[Triplebaconation]

Where is its home port? What availability would an 1,800 ton radar system operating in Pacific weather have to have before it could be deemed reliable?

Adak Island, Alaska. There's a $26 million special mooring chain system they built there for it that has never been used.

What a coincidence! Adak Island (pop. 165) is my hometown! I've never actually been there, but that doesn't matter. I have a spiritual connection to rusty Quonset huts.

As for its port calls at Pearl Harbor, Wikipedia notes that:

The ship has spent time for maintenance and repair at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii several times, including 170 days in 2006, 63 days in 2007, 63 days in 2008, 177 days in 2009, and 51 days in 2010.

You neglected to quote the rest of the paragraph, including the part about 396 continuous days at sea in 2009-2010.

Spending half a year in port for repairs is not what I would call a high-readiness asset, or reliable.

Are any modern warships "high-readiness asset" or reliable according to this definition?

Evidently the Navy agrees since it's being dropped to extended readiness and removed from active service according to recent budget requests.

What started this discussion again?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

No they aren't. But there's at least a dozen of them, compared with one ABM radar.

[Aqizithiuda]

Vehicles look sexy in AUSCAM

Everything looks sexy in AUSCAM.

[Lyras]

Lyras in Auscam

[A Hooloovoo]

CADPAT best digital

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Canadian_Forces_Browning_Hi-Power.jpg

[Graznovia]

Flecktarn. /thread

Apply Flecktarn's style to other climatic patterns (i.e. Desert) for maximum win.

[Lyras]

Lyras in multicam, out bush

[Immoren]

Why bother with separate woodland and winter uniforms?

[Registug]

Vehicles look sexy in AUSCAM

Everything looks sexy in AUSCAM.

DAT ABRAMS

[Elan Valleys]

Well, Russia isn't going to be entering the desert to battle it out any time soon, so they don't need to issue a UCP or Multicam pattern. I mean the last time they issued would a desert uniform was that khaki tan they used in the 70/80s.

The modern UCP, I don't think will be of any use in an environment like a large plain or green forest.

UCP is worst camo anyways, even in the desert.

UCP-Delta is decent.

Best cam is M90:

[San-Silvacian]

Everything looks sexy in AUSCAM.

DAT ABRAMS

Mexican Abrams?

[Registug]

DAT ABRAMS

Mexican Abrams?

How is it Mexican?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Mexican Abrams?

How is it Mexican?

It looks like a piñata.

[Immoren]

How is it Mexican?

It looks like a piñata.

Do I attempt to shoot it with the Apilas with my eyes closed?

[Purpelia]

Take a moment to imagine this. The year is 1936. The tank is mighty. Its turret resembles something that comes from France with its curved sloped shape. The front armor is sloped at roughly 30 degrees just like on the Renault FT. On the turret is mounted a pair of guns, one short and heavy 75mm and a coaxial 4cm AT gun. Arranged like on the German Neubaufahrzeug tank. Oh and a machine gun next to them. Just because. On the roof is an armored cupola which like on the M3 Lee has a machine gun to let the commander play.

The role is simple, an universal heavy tank to rule them all. Opinions?

[Immoren]

Take a moment to imagine this. The year is 1936. The tank is mighty. Its turret resembles something that comes from France with its curved sloped shape. The front armor is sloped at roughly 30 degrees just like on the Renault FT. On the turret is mounted a pair of guns, one short and heavy 75mm and a coaxial 4cm AT gun. Arranged like on the German Neubaufahrzeug tank. Oh and a machine gun next to them. Just because. On the roof is an armored cupola which like on the M3 Lee has a machine gun to let the commander play.

The role is simple, an universal heavy tank to rule them all. Opinions?

Fuel consumption, overworked crew/commader, reliability, tactical mobility(?), strategic mobility (?)

[Strykla]

How is it Mexican?

It looks like a piñata.

Does that mean we attack it with bayonets blindfolded?

[Immoren]

It looks like a piñata.

Does that mean we attack it with bayonets blindfolded?

No. Anti-tank weapons.

[Purpelia]

Fuel consumption

Going to be pretty close to other tanks of the era since it's actually no bigger than them. It is slightly heavier due to the extra gun but that can't be that much since whole AT guns in the 37-40mm range weighed under a ton. And looking at the size of these things if I make the turret a bit more cramped I don't have to make it that much bigger. This thing really started out as my idea for what if I put a Neubaufahrzeug turret on a regular Panzer IV. And the size of their turrets were IIRC the same.

overworked crew/commader

I intend on having a 5 man crew including the standard driver and radio operator and a 3 man turret crew. I figure it should work out fine as long as they don't try something stupid like use both guns at once. Which they can't do anyway since it's all cramped together. And the commanders MG is really only there to let him try and chase off any infantry climbing on top of the tank and throwing molotovs off a building and stuff. He is not really expected to use it unless he is in a situation where otherwise he would plop the hatch open and use his pistol.

reliability

Any reason to think it would be any worse than other stuff from the era? Like say the KV-1?

tactical mobility(?)

As good as it gets for a heavy tank. In other words not much and than somewhat less than that.

strategic mobility (?)

Purpelia has a LOT of railroads and shipping canals.

[Alfegos]

Purpelia...

You miss completely that there can be no tank to rule them all, particularly in this time era.

If we go by tactics commonly used at this point, tanks were divided into the following categories:
- Light Tanks/Tankettes - For reconnaissance and deep operations
- Infantry Tanks - Crawl with the infantry line providing them mobile fire support
- Tank Destroyers - There to take on the other tanks on the battlefield
- Heavy Tanks - An attempted mix of the above into an unstoppable armoured fortress.

Aiming at the role of having a heavy tank here, which is what you have stated, you'll already be finding the issues with heavy tanks - that they can't succeed in their role that easily without other supporting arms. Tactically, heavy tanks were (from what I remember) pretty wank anywhere other than open rolling plains, and where there was neither effective enemy air assets nor effective enemy Direct Fire guns.
Looking at the vehicle itself... what engine is it going to use? What armour are you looking at putting on it?

With the guns, for 1936 it looks like it'd have a fighting chance at holding the crown - maybe more machineguns for AA? After 1939, don't think it'd hold that title for more than a few months.

[Purpelia]

Purpelia...

You miss completely that there can be no tank to rule them all, particularly in this time era.

Char B1...

If we go by tactics commonly used at this point, tanks were divided into the following categories:
- Light Tanks/Tankettes - For reconnaissance and deep operations
- Infantry Tanks - Crawl with the infantry line providing them mobile fire support
- Tank Destroyers - There to take on the other tanks on the battlefield
- Heavy Tanks - An attempted mix of the above into an unstoppable armoured fortress.

This.

Aiming at the role of having a heavy tank here, which is what you have stated, you'll already be finding the issues with heavy tanks - that they can't succeed in their role that easily without other supporting arms. Tactically, heavy tanks were (from what I remember) pretty wank anywhere other than open rolling plains, and where there was neither effective enemy air assets nor effective enemy Direct Fire guns.
Looking at the vehicle itself... what engine is it going to use? What armour are you looking at putting on it?

The same armor thickness as the other heavies of the era, so 70-80mm. But actually less since I am aiming for the same LOS thickness but the sloping will let me reduce weight. So it might be as tough as the B1 or a bit more depending on the angle you shoot from. No idea about the engine thou.

Aiming for a turret shape that's something like this:
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With the guns, for 1936 it looks like it'd have a fighting chance at holding the crown - maybe more machineguns for AA? After 1939, don't think it'd hold that title for more than a few months.

I intend to keep it in service until about 40 when it gets an overhaul that ditches the 40mm gun for a medium velocity 75mm and gets a general overhaul with new suspension and stuff. Maybe even a whole new turret. And than it basically rolls on to become a medium KV-1 style.

EDIT:
I just took a look at some blueprints and did some scaling and stuff. And yes, the NBF turret is exactly the same size as the Panzer IV one. So consider this a NBF turret on a Panzer IV. It should handle and perform equally well.

[Crookfur]

Nah purp what you really need for 30s awesomeness is a pair of 75mm/40mm convertable guns! Like the various 25/75, 44/60,37/76 and 37/47/81mm guns.

basically a medium long 75mm that can accept a barrel insert for a high pressure 40mm.

Thus you cna have apair of 75mms or a pair 40mms and for the ultra lulz make the turret big enough to house the 40mm inserts so they cna be isntalled on the fly!

Yeah thats liekly far more lulz than you want so an over under 40/75 like some of the bofors combos and one Neubaufahrzeug layouts of the would work reasonably well and likely be easier to install and sight in than a side by side (no need to harmonise and elevation differences wouldn't be an issue as both tubes would need different rnage scales on the sights anyway).

[Purpelia]

Nah purp what you really need for 30s awesomeness is a pair of 75mm/40mm convertable guns! Like the various 25/75, 44/60,37/76 and 37/47/81mm guns.

basically a medium long 75mm that can accept a barrel insert for a high pressure 40mm.

Thus you cna have apair of 75mms or a pair 40mms and for the ultra lulz make the turret big enough to house the 40mm inserts so they cna be isntalled on the fly!

What's the point of that? If my crew has to dismount and engineer a new gun in they might as well just drive closer for the HE gun to work. Or hell just use that long 75mm.

Yeah thats liekly far more lulz than you want so an over under 40/75 like some of the bofors combos and one Neubaufahrzeug layouts of the would work reasonably well and likely be easier to install and sight in than a side by side (no need to harmonise and elevation differences wouldn't be an issue as both tubes would need different rnage scales on the sights anyway).

That was my original idea actually. I would take the turret of the Neubaufahrzeug and install it on a Panzer IV hull. If you look at various images and blueprints it becomes obvious that the Neubaufahrzeug hull is just a Panzer IV stretched out to fit the smaller turrets. Or maybe the IV is a shortened NBF. The turrets are of almost identical size so they should be theoretically interchangeable.

The rest is just fluff. Like making the turret and hull a bit sloped and stuff.