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How are Equus Sapiens (Ponies) treated in your country?

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Olwe
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Founded: Jan 22, 2004
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Postby Olwe » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:54 pm

Hircus wrote:
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We'll gladly take them off your hands, if you're sure you don't want them anymore. We'll even pay for any expenses that might be involved in relocating them again if they don't want to stay in Olwe once they get here.


Project Sanctuary will aid our friend Olwe in this endeavor, if they so desire.


How did we forget to mention you? This is exactly the sort of conversation that Project Sanctuary should come up in. :palm:

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Gallanna
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Postby Gallanna » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:57 pm

Olwe wrote:
Hircus wrote:
Project Sanctuary will aid our friend Olwe in this endeavor, if they so desire.


How did we forget to mention you? This is exactly the sort of conversation that Project Sanctuary should come up in. :palm:

And yes, your help will be appreciated.


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Olwe
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Postby Olwe » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:59 pm

Gallanna wrote:
Olwe wrote:
How did we forget to mention you? This is exactly the sort of conversation that Project Sanctuary should come up in. :palm:

And yes, your help will be appreciated.


We have no treaty obligations to do so, but as to moral obligations, that's something else again. Simply put, the United Republics will assist in this endeavor, if at all possible.

~ Secretary of State Jonathon Thorvald Belmonte.


We thank our friends in Gallana and welcome their assistance as well, even though it is possibly overkill considering the number of refugees involved and Olwean teleportation capabilities.
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Chaos Crescent
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Postby Chaos Crescent » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:03 pm

They are found and killed then eaten. Well if we had any now if some visited we'd just shrug and say whatever so long as they don't cause trouble.
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Postby The God-Realm » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:05 pm

Chaos Crescent wrote:They are found and killed then eaten. Well if we had any now if some visited we'd just shrug and say whatever so long as they don't cause trouble.

Just hide the corpses
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Chaos Crescent
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Postby Chaos Crescent » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:13 pm

The God-Realm wrote:
Chaos Crescent wrote:They are found and killed then eaten. Well if we had any now if some visited we'd just shrug and say whatever so long as they don't cause trouble.

Just hide the corpses

But that's too much work, though a few do put the skeleton together and mount it to a wall. Does that count, for hidden the corpses?
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Kavck
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Postby Kavck » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:16 pm

The Protectorate government has no official opinion on the Sapient horse known as "Equus Sapiens" this is mostly due to the fact that non of them live here, non have lived here before and Kavck barely attracts any tourists, let alone immigrants, and how divided our head government officials are on the issue.

The commander of our ground forces, Earth Marshal Marcus Johnson, doesn't mind them and says that openly embracing them might help tear down the decades long xenophobia that has gripped the majority of Kavck's populace.

The commander of our air forces, Air Marshal Julius White, wants to purge them from the face of the planet, like he wants with all sapient non-humans as he sees them all as a threat to mankind's dominance of the planet and thus a threat to Kavck's sovriegnty.

Our supreme commander, War Marshal Jarid Harkness, has no opinion as he considers it a non-issue. It doesn't look like any sapient non-humans will be immigrating to our not-so-fair country in the near future, so he doesn't bother discussing it with his left and right hand men.

The public's opinion is your typical Kavckian response to most things, expect the worst, but try to act as reasonably as possible. So, if "Equus Sapiens" did start immigrating to Kavck, they would most likely be shunned by the populce and the sales of guns and other self/home-defense products would most likely increase substantially among local, human Kavckians. Eventually, the Kavckians would cool down, provided no dramatic incidents occur, and might actually start warming up to them.

Essentially, the public's opinion would follow your typical Tsundre archtype. We're somewhat ashamed for being so cliché.

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Velkwarria
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Postby Velkwarria » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:25 pm

They are not allowed in Velkwarria, any that are found are exiled to other nearby countries. :)

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Louenia
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Founded: Mar 01, 2013
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Postby Louenia » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:29 pm

None here, which is probably best for their own sake. Constantly having people go all "Aww, awen't you just the cutest wittle dickens in the hole wide wowld!" on you would probably be tiresome.
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Blu Mount
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Founded: Feb 28, 2013
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Postby Blu Mount » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:38 pm

We have ponies, and they are treated just like horses.

But My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic: is banned here
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Aeridamar
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Founded: Feb 25, 2013
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Postby Aeridamar » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:29 am

Pardonia wrote:Sapient ponies, what unholy magic is this?


Indeed. How curious.

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Greater New York
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Postby Greater New York » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:44 am

The sentient ones from My Little Pony: Friendship is magic do not reside in our nation, but the Sentience Act of 2013 (Passed February 4th, with a 122-28 yes vote in the House and 30-4 yes vote in the Senate) guarantees that they are considered equals to human beings should they decide to reside in our nation. The Sentience Act guarantees that all non-human species that can communicate with humans verbally, or have the capacity to do so, will be treated as humans are.
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Orangi
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Postby Orangi » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:51 am

If they were in Orangi, like anyone else. Rights and all.
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Allmann
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Founded: Jan 30, 2012
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Postby Allmann » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:25 am

There are no sapient Ponies in the Commonwealth.

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The Multiversal Species Alliance
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Founded: Dec 13, 2011
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Postby The Multiversal Species Alliance » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:15 pm

30% of the population is made up of Ponies, Earth Pony, Pagasis, Unicorn, and Alicorn. Like all other sentient and sapient lifeorms are granted the same basic rights, life, freedom to vote, right to food,drink, and housing, and right to trial by jury. Everything else is a privilege earned via one's class of nobility.
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New Vihenia
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Postby New Vihenia » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:17 pm

Blu Mount wrote:they are treated just like horses.


exactly.
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Postby Ceffyltir » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:33 pm

Since they make up well over 90% of the population, they are treated like any other sapient but not-innately-hostile being. They're free to do as they please within the confines of the law.
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Nu Sparta
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Postby Nu Sparta » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:43 pm

My Little Pony has never aired in Nu Sparta though products and dvds are often sold in Pangus, a colony of the Imperial Spartanian Empire. There are a few children's fans among Spartanians living in the colonies of Pangus though it is not a national sensation. The High Council has often recieved reports and rumors of sentient horses and ponies, but official denounces these as foreign superstition. Most likely if a Equus Sapiens was found in the empire by anyone other then a child fan it would cause be considered some type of spirit or evil entity and its capture and execution would be swift.

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The republic of caoco
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Postby The republic of caoco » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:51 pm

In the republic of caoco pony's from my little pony friendship is magic are treated with respect and .... awwww.. one wants to touch me... :lol:

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Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia
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Postby Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:18 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Another Pony related F&NI thread? *Gets Shot* Well since we haven't had one in a while, I thought we could bring this up again. Also I'm Bored.

So basically, How are Equus Sapiens (Ponies) treated in your country?
Since all sapient beings are treated equally in the Holy Roman Empire, Equus Sapiens or Ponies are treated like any other human. 35% of our population are sapient equines. Even some human royal families adopted ponies in their family and vice versa.




There are no such sentients in the United States of Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia, but our historical archives curiously have mentions of talking animals in the past. One of our ancient religious texts features a talking snake.

Our scant pre-atomic war archives have turned up a former movie actor, a talking mule named Francis, and a television star, a palomino named Mr. Ed, actually recorded in interaction with Oceanians on the Western continent. These two were presumably slain in the great purges of the past, so that none remain. But, from these archives, it seems that these Equus Sapiens were captives, if not slaves.

Some of our youth indoctrination imagery utilizes cartoon caricatures of talking horses (as well as other animals) but even now if Equus Sapiens were encountered they would likely find these depictions to be imperialist and racist. The title of one of the more successful propaganda videos is "My Little Pony," which clearly indicates that the talking horse belongs to someone, i.e. it is chattel property.

With that in mind, O-E-E society would likely see no problem enslaving such beings. They're property, nothing more.
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United Greater France
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Postby United Greater France » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:21 pm

My Little Pony is a very popular show here, but we'd probably flip the Hell out if we actually met talking ponies...

And knowing the mindset of some of our important military people, the result might be this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-kp-B9XZFc

However, in theory, they would be given the same rights as anyone else... once we got over the initial shock.

If they weren't unfortunately nuked beforehand by some trigger-happy Dr. Strangelove-esque bomber commander.
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Sanian Confederacy
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Postby Sanian Confederacy » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:31 pm

Ponies have a bond with Sanians that has lasted the full history of Sani. In the current age of equality and egalitarianism, however, this does not tend to show, and nobody gets any racial privilege. But many Sanians and Ponies still hold each other in great regard and recognize the mutual achievements of their races, that could not have been accomplished apart from one another.
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Inutoland
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Postby Inutoland » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:47 am

We treat them as fictional characters from a not very good children's TV show. Heck, we don't even have many Equus caballus. The giant ground sloth was our primary riding animal.

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Novus Niciae
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Postby Novus Niciae » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:29 am

They are an extreme minority in our nation but they are welcome here.

Horses are unknown on our homeworld (we ride giant flightless birds or giant tigers) so we did know what to make of them when we first saw them.

Their rights are defined in or declaration on the rights of sapient beings and they get treated the same as everyone else.
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Herminia
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Postby Herminia » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:21 pm

Like all Nichtmenschen conquered by the forces of the Reich, they are enslaved, forced to work in mines and factories. They are made to do hard laborious tasks such as pulling cars out of ditches and so on, due to their great strength compared to other Nichtmenschen. In addition, they are made a particular example of by the Nazis due to the fact that the Ponies' very culture is centered around love and tolerance. That is counter to the Nazis' ultimate goal to turn Herminia into a militaristic Spartan-like empire that spans the world where love and tolerance are stomped on and spat on by the general culture. Hence, why Equus Sapiens in particular are specially targeted by the Nazi regime.
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