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Who will OP MMW Number 9?

Nua Corda
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39%
Kouralia
25
13%
Spreewerke
46
24%
Coltarin
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Aqizithiuda
26
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Tule
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Postby Tule » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:32 am

Hey guys, remember the 6.35x43 NACO cartridge?

It already exists as the .25 TCU and I managed to dig up some info on it.

http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/w25ugalde.html
http://www.beyond556.com/bboard/showthr ... n-wildcats

100 gr bullet out of a 14' barrel does about 2400 fps.
2600 fps out of a 16' barrel.

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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:41 am

Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat wrote:Knowing that RPK doesn't quite do the job (when it comes to sustained fire), yet wanting to preserve ammunition commonality, I'm contemplating 5.45mm PKM. Y/N?

Didn't they do belt fed RPKs? That might be worth looking in to. The wiki page says they exist, but I can't find any pictures offhand.
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For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Benomia 2050 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:49 am

The main military weapon of Benomia 2050 is the Copperhead Skyfall M:

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It fires the 12.7x62mm Moderate round at a cyclic rate of 1300 RPM. Flash suppression is achieved by a large slit in the top of the barrel near the end, which directs the gases away from the muzzle and also counters recoil by pushing the gun down.
The official military designation is M762.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:52 am

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat wrote:Knowing that RPK doesn't quite do the job (when it comes to sustained fire), yet wanting to preserve ammunition commonality, I'm contemplating 5.45mm PKM. Y/N?

Didn't they do belt fed RPKs? That might be worth looking in to. The wiki page says they exist, but I can't find any pictures offhand.

There were a few prototypes made of models that were capable of both belt and box feed.
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:57 am

Benomia 2050 wrote:The main military weapon of Benomia 2050 is the Copperhead Skyfall M:

(Image)

It fires the 12.7x62mm Moderate round at a cyclic rate of 1300 RPM. Flash suppression is achieved by a large slit in the top of the barrel near the end, which directs the gases away from the muzzle and also counters recoil by pushing the gun down.
The official military designation is M762.


You have no ejection port.

That round is absurd.

There appears to be no gas system.

There is no room for the bolt to travel.

There are no sights.

Your proportions make my eyes hurt.

So, all in all, typical Beano.
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:58 am

Benomia 2050 wrote:The main military weapon of Benomia 2050 is the Copperhead Skyfall M:

(Image)

It fires the 12.7x62mm Moderate round at a cyclic rate of 1300 RPM. Flash suppression is achieved by a large slit in the top of the barrel near the end, which directs the gases away from the muzzle and also counters recoil by pushing the gun down.
The official military designation is M762.


Flash suppression doesn't work like that. It's designed to keep the flashes out of the shooters line of sight. Making it go above the barrel is the opposite of what you want. And that rate of fire and such a large round is even worse.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:07 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Didn't they do belt fed RPKs? That might be worth looking in to. The wiki page says they exist, but I can't find any pictures offhand.

There were a few prototypes made of models that were capable of both belt and box feed.
Image
Known as the PU-1.

Cool. So, would that be a viable solution?
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:10 am

Possibly, but don't forget that a GPMG is a longer-range, barrier-defeating, heavier-suppressing and harder-hitting tool than a light machine gun.
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:14 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Benomia 2050 wrote:The main military weapon of Benomia 2050 is the Copperhead Skyfall M:

(Image)

It fires the 12.7x62mm Moderate round at a cyclic rate of 1300 RPM. Flash suppression is achieved by a large slit in the top of the barrel near the end, which directs the gases away from the muzzle and also counters recoil by pushing the gun down.
The official military designation is M762.


Flash suppression doesn't work like that. It's designed to keep the flashes out of the shooters line of sight. Making it go above the barrel is the opposite of what you want. And that rate of fire and such a large round is even worse.


Not to mention that even with its shifted pulse operating system, the AN-94 only manages about 1200, and that's only in the 2-round burst mode.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:19 am

Guys, I've made an attempt again...
I'm running with this interchangeable magwell idea. Well, I copied (WIP) an AK-103 magazine and tried to quickly rush an 'ACR AK' magwell attachment (possibly even more WIP).
Second rifle from bottom, how's it going?
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Still need advice on a new front sight for the heavy receiver models.
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:20 am

Nua Corda wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Flash suppression doesn't work like that. It's designed to keep the flashes out of the shooters line of sight. Making it go above the barrel is the opposite of what you want. And that rate of fire and such a large round is even worse.


Not to mention that even with its shifted pulse operating system, the AN-94 only manages about 1200, and that's only in the 2-round burst mode.


I have no idea why we keep correcting Beano. He obviously takes no notice.
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:23 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
Not to mention that even with its shifted pulse operating system, the AN-94 only manages about 1200, and that's only in the 2-round burst mode.


I have no idea why we keep correcting Beano. He obviously takes no notice.


I think it's just a reflex at this point.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:24 am

Would NIJ Level III armor comfortably stop .280 British?

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Postby Bajireyn » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:24 am

Puzikas wrote:Aqi sounds like an australian guy in a show I saw about life in the Aussie outback. Guy was a pilot of Gyrocopters.
Baji sounds like Jorge from Halo: Reach. No clue why.
Nua sounds like Tom Hanks
Spree sounds like the head of Security at the place I work
Beno sounds like one of the interns on my floor who I make get me coffee every morning
Trans sounds like Bruce Willis
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Anyone else want to know?

Well, I'm perfectly happy with my voice.

Especially because sounds much, much better than my real one.

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Basque Socialist States wrote:Sure I'm new around here, but shoot; what do I sound like?


We haven't had a prolonged discussion so you sound like the voice in my head.

Everyone gets one following prolonged conversation.
Spree was first, he asked me questions about my time in service.
He, as a result, got head of Secs. voice, who asks me a lot about my time in service as well.

Corda got his because he was working on a rifle for his country in the Great patriotic War. Tom hanks. Saving private Ryan.

Also, sam sounds like Watson from the new Sherlock holmes movies, little more British.

How did I end up getting Jorge's voice?
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Postby Benomia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:26 am

You have no ejection port.


It ejects up and to the left.

That round is absurd.


Why?

There is no room for the bolt to travel.


There's plenty of room.

There are no sights.


That's why we have helmets with aim assist HUD.

Your proportions make my eyes hurt.


Subjective.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:28 am

The Republic of Lanos wrote:Would NIJ Level III armor comfortably stop .280 British?

Isn't NIJ III only rated against medium handgun rounds?
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:28 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Possibly, but don't forget that a GPMG is a longer-range, barrier-defeating, heavier-suppressing and harder-hitting tool than a light machine gun.
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Right, and I've no intention to replace GPMGs with LMGs. It just seemed a decent solution for Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat since they wanted a belt-fed rifle that fired 5.45mm. The PU-1 seemed a superior choice over a downsized PK because in addition to retaining ammunition commonality, it also has (I believe) parts commonality and familiarity due to its being based on the AK-74.

That's his I see it anyway.

Also, PK Pecheng in 9.3mm Brenneke. Y/N?
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Immoren » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:29 am

Benomia wrote:That's why we have helmets with aim assist HUD.


Wot iv helm/hud breaks? :<
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:30 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Would NIJ Level III armor comfortably stop .280 British?

Isn't NIJ III only rated against medium handgun rounds?

NIJ IIIA is rated to stop .44 Magnum. NIJ III stops 7.62mm NATO.

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Postby Benomia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:31 am

Immoren wrote:
Benomia wrote:That's why we have helmets with aim assist HUD.


Wot iv helm/hud breaks? :<


Then you're screwed.

Counter: what if your sights break?
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:32 am

Immoren wrote:
Benomia wrote:That's why we have helmets with aim assist HUD.


Wot iv helm/hud breaks? :<

Then you keep spraying and hope for the best?


Benomia wrote:Then you're screwed.

Counter: what if your sights break?

Then you, young man, obviously did it on purpose. As such, would have lost your rifle privileges.
*Takes rifle from your hands and bops you in the head with it*

Now, go to your box and think about what you've done,
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Tule » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:33 am

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Isn't NIJ III only rated against medium handgun rounds?

NIJ IIIA is rated to stop .44 Magnum. NIJ III stops 7.62mm NATO.


The .280 British supposedly penetrates much better than the 7.62.

A steel core .280 would probably go through Level III plates at urban fighting distances.
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:35 am

Benomia wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Wot iv helm/hud breaks? :<


Then you're screwed.

Counter: what if your sights break?


If you manage to break iron sights after breaking your optics then you deserve to be screwed.
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Postby Benomia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:36 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Benomia wrote:
Then you're screwed.

Counter: what if your sights break?


If you manage to break iron sights after breaking your optics then you deserve to be screwed.


And if you manage to break your CRP/adamantium helmet, then you deserve to be screwed.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:37 am

Tule wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:NIJ IIIA is rated to stop .44 Magnum. NIJ III stops 7.62mm NATO.


The .280 British supposedly penetrates much better than the 7.62.

A steel core .280 would probably go through Level III plates at urban fighting distances.

I guess we'll have to edit NIJ standards to stop .280 British rounds.

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