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The Republic of Lanos wrote:And gets details wrong about them.

Spreewerke wrote:

The Republic of Lanos wrote:And gets details wrong about them.

Set ALL! the AR-derivative selector switches to semi-auto!

The Republic of Lanos wrote:

Spreewerke wrote:
Set ALL! the AR-derivative selector switches to semi-auto!

EVEN IF THEY ALL FIRE FULL AUTO.

Ulfr-Reich wrote:I finally developed what my nation can call an "HMG" cartridge.

The round:

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With other nations in Ulfheim pursuing heavy machine gun technologies using ammunition designed to rip planes out of the sky, split ships and turn tanks to pieces of flaming scrap metal, the Ulfranes Haer Quartermasters Guild stepped up to the plate and accepted the challenge head-on. Within months, a 16.5mm shell was being rolled off the production line, offering both a terrifying amount of punch via a tungsten-vanadium penetrator with a 1 1/2 pound high explosive charge laced with phosphorous. Following that is a smaller secondary charge of thermite. when used on defensive guns in naval situations, it is actually quite possible to melt a ship into sinking, as was done on the USS Jefferson battleship during a slight scuffle on formerly Third-Reich territory in antarctica during the end of the second-world-war. To say the least the round has proven it's worth, many Haersmann have been asking to have a troop-portable HMG made available for normal deployment due to the rounds serious effect against modern armor and infantry-formations/armored-hardpoints, and with Ulfran physiology being what it is, such a thing is entirely plausible.

Aqizithiuda wrote:
I don't think you could get a pound and a half of anything into a 16.5mm shell.

Aqizithiuda wrote:

Ulfr-Reich wrote:I finally developed what my nation can call an "HMG" cartridge.

The round:

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With other nations in Ulfheim pursuing heavy machine gun technologies using ammunition designed to rip planes out of the sky, split ships and turn tanks to pieces of flaming scrap metal, the Ulfranes Haer Quartermasters Guild stepped up to the plate and accepted the challenge head-on. Within months, a 16.5mm shell was being rolled off the production line, offering both a terrifying amount of punch via a tungsten-vanadium penetrator with a 1 1/2 pound high explosive charge laced with phosphorous. Following that is a smaller secondary charge of thermite. when used on defensive guns in naval situations, it is actually quite possible to melt a ship into sinking, as was done on the USS Jefferson battleship during a slight scuffle on formerly Third-Reich territory in antarctica during the end of the second-world-war. To say the least the round has proven it's worth, many Haersmann have been asking to have a troop-portable HMG made available for normal deployment due to the rounds serious effect against modern armor and infantry-formations/armored-hardpoints, and with Ulfran physiology being what it is, such a thing is entirely plausible.

I don't think you could get a pound and a half of anything into a 16.5mm shell.

The Akasha Colony wrote:


That was the part you found most egregious? Not the part where it is claimed to have sunk a battleship? Or the thermite part?

Ulfr-Reich wrote:

The Akasha Colony wrote:


That was the part you found most egregious? Not the part where it is claimed to have sunk a battleship? Or the thermite part?

Not a singular shell, multiple gun-turrets firing crap tonnes of the munition from multiple other vessels.


I posted this whole thing here so you guys could help me edit the SHITE out of it.

The Akasha Colony wrote:

Ulfr-Reich wrote:

Not a singular shell, multiple gun-turrets firing crap tonnes of the munition from multiple other vessels.


I posted this whole thing here so you guys could help me edit the SHITE out of it.

1. Thermite doesn't work that way. You won't be 'melting' anything by arming your rounds with it, it simply doesn't act that quickly. Thermite's good for delicate work, destroying delicate components of a machine where a minor deformation is enough to render it useless rather than complete destruction. It also has reduced collateral damage relative to a conventional explosive, so it can be used in tight spaces and covert operations. It does not make bullets magically able to penetrate any type of armor, otherwise these bullets would be standard issue today to every military worldwide.

2. A piddly HMG isn't going to do squat to a battleship even if it could penetrate the 1+ ft thick belt armor. Battleships are hard to sink, they're designed to take multiple hits from other large guns with explosive shells and keep fighting. Hits above the waterline won't affect the ship's buoyancy and won't sink it. Hits below the waterline first have to get through the water itself and then through the armored belt, usually the thickest part of a ship's armor since it protects the ship's vital systems. Even a fancy tungsten-vanadium penetrator isn't going to cut it in that situation, and even if it did, the tiny hole it would create would be something damage control teams wouldn't even need to bother with. They could just leave it to the bilge pumps to deal with.

Ulfr-Reich wrote:

Aqizithiuda wrote:
I don't think you could get a pound and a half of anything into a 16.5mm shell.

You may very-well have a point, any advice on how to "trim-it-down" to an acceptable and realistic quantity?

Skallen wrote:Only got a drawing of it, but here's Skallen's primary armament. Name is something like GARif-99.

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Ulfr-Reich wrote:Guys, I'm onto my thirteenth cup of Earl Grey in the past our an' a half. (and yes, I'm using a kettle)

Spreewerke wrote:

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whatisthisidonteven

Remember, kids: don't smoke crack.

Transnapastain wrote:

Benomia wrote:
We established that the AK74u (as it appears in CoD) is fake, but the AKS-74U is a very real gun.

and, in Blcak Ops, appears in 1968, I believe. Fake gun from the fuuuuutruuuuuure!

Anemos Major wrote:

Ulfr-Reich wrote:Guys, I'm onto my thirteenth cup of Earl Grey in the past our an' a half. (and yes, I'm using a kettle)

Lapsang Souchong is where you want to be with your tea. Not a personal opinion, just a universal truth.

As far as your HMG is concerned, your development teams are going to find it kinda difficult to make weapons capable of knocking out tanks; though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Few things to note:

HMG =/= an anti-armour weapon. That's one role it can fulfil, but by and large the HMG is designed for use with and against a wide number of assets, so consider your round's flexibility in that light. Don't restrict the round type to a penetrator for one - things like HEIAP are equally useful and cost-beneficial in their own right. And don't forget to consider things like propellant and weight; if it's a WWII-vintage (chronologically, not going to say anything about NS canon here) weapon, then you'll want to consider how the round has developed over time and the weapons that actually fire it.

Anemos Major wrote:

Ulfr-Reich wrote:Guys, I'm onto my thirteenth cup of Earl Grey in the past our an' a half. (and yes, I'm using a kettle)

Lapsang Souchong is where you want to be with your tea. Not a personal opinion, just a universal truth.

As far as your HMG is concerned, your development teams are going to find it kinda difficult to make weapons capable of knocking out tanks; though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Few things to note:

HMG =/= an anti-armour weapon. That's one role it can fulfil, but by and large the HMG is designed for use with and against a wide number of assets, so consider your round's flexibility in that light. Don't restrict the round type to a penetrator for one - things like HEIAP are equally useful and cost-beneficial in their own right. And don't forget to consider things like propellant and weight; if it's a WWII-vintage (chronologically, not going to say anything about NS canon here) weapon, then you'll want to consider how the round has developed over time and the weapons that actually fire it.

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Has anyone else's game-side of NS completely died and been replaced with error messages they've never seen before, about octopi forwarding server requests and failing at it?

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:It isn't an anti-armour weapon today. But that was how the M2 was envisaged back in 1921, when tank armour was getting into crazy realms when it was reaching 12-15mm thickness.
Tank armour quickly eclipsed the capabilities of the .50 cartridge (leading the Russians to develop the 14.5mm cartridge we all know and love), and it was relegated to medium air defence and heavy anti-personnel, a role it retains to this day.

Anemos Major wrote:though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Greater Imperial Prussia wrote:The M1701 Pattern Musket
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Anemos Major wrote:

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:It isn't an anti-armour weapon today. But that was how the M2 was envisaged back in 1921, when tank armour was getting into crazy realms when it was reaching 12-15mm thickness.
Tank armour quickly eclipsed the capabilities of the .50 cartridge (leading the Russians to develop the 14.5mm cartridge we all know and love), and it was relegated to medium air defence and heavy anti-personnel, a role it retains to this day.

Anemos Major wrote:though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Got that covered

Not so much medium air defence though (note that most aircraft intended for ground attack roles perform those missions at either stand-off distances or at speeds too high for HMG-area weapons, and those that don't tend to be fairly well armoured against them a la the AH-64 - though you will get unarmoured helicopters performing ground attack roles, that's something most militaries would want to shy away from if they can help it).