Main Military Weapon of your Country: Pattern VIII (Read OP)

[Purpelia]

Also, I do not know why you would want that kind of safety on a pistol. It would require two hands to disengage opposed to the firing hand's thumb (or, in some instances, the trigger finger).

Me nether. But I can't think of any good safety mechanism for a handgun with that sort of configuration other than the one already on it. And I want something unique. And since I have already settled on replacing those lugs that you hold the gun by to cock it on the back with a ring (to make it look a bit less luger like) I figured I might want to try something with it.

Also, the way the K31 safety works is really simple. The channel for the firing pin when in the "fire" position is unobstructed. There is a "block" on the firing pin that sticks off to the top or bottom (didn't fully disassemble ours, so I can't recall which side). When it is rotated 90* to the left, this block also rotates to where it is now on the side of the firing pin. The user has to pull the firing pin further back, out of its travelling channel, in order to accomplish this. When pulled back further, there is nothing around this block. When rotated, the block runs into the bolt's metal that surrounds the firing pin channel. This disallows it from moving forward, and also keeps the firing pin from being in constant contact with the primer (is also very, very drop-safe). At the same time, those who are not trained with the safety can sometimes forget which rotation is "safe" and which is "fire." That is also why ours has one kill to its name after the previous owner accidentally introduced himself to the rifle's cartridge in the less-than-ideal way.

Thanks for the explanation. I saw a video of it in action once (I think) and it must have stuck with me. But now I know the details.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

The latter half of this statement is the only scale my weapons have.

I will quote myself from about three MMW threads ago: viewtopic.php?p=7727038&sid=44d2fab155045ce4c3d61ee29798b7e9#p7727038

Oh bbe.

[Tule]

You need to use a scale if you want to make a good lineart rifle, such as 1 mm/pixel.
You also need to imagine yourself holding it. "Is that cocking handle too small?" "Can my finger fit in that trigger guard with a glove on?"

The latter half of this statement is the only scale my weapons have.

I strongly recommend that you use a scale. Your proportions may look right but for all you know there is no space inside the hand guard for a gas piston.

[Ularn]

Can I haz #9?

Hey wow the opposition leader doesn't start poloticking for votes while the celebrations are still going. Wait for the end of this thread.

I, myself, moi, me, am also looking to be at least nominated.

Or, at the very least, avoid being labeled as tacky again. That shit's a dent in my pride, and an Aussie's pride is not something you wanna dent.

Maybe if I make an effort to stay in the loop this time around then I can try for a nomination. On the other hand, I don't know that an FT player would be the best candidate for OPing a thread primarily about MT weapons. We can see in another ~450 pages.

[Nua Corda]

You should switch to an AR round. The AK action is almost too long for a bullpup without making it BR sized.

The RFB's size is deceiving; Kel-Tec likes long pistol grips and other things that make the proportions look more even than they are.



It's up

It says here on Wikipedia Valmet M82 that one version fired 7.62x39mm (Soviet) so why could it not work? And I dont know about a smaller round, I am afraid they would not work as well as a BR in dense forests and in the mountains of the Commonwealth.

7.62x39 is an AR round. AR rounds are actually pretty effective in such terrain, provided one has a full-power GPMG and DMR available at section level. Usually, ARs are not intended to be the primary killer of the enemy, they're intended to suppress.

[Benomia]

Because page 4:

[Vareiln]

Some gunporn by me in celebration of the new thread:
Lineart:

Old PT rifle
7.5mm Swiss. Early piston-operated semi-auto.
My first successful lineart rifle.
SAR-21 influenced assault rifle.
My very first lineart.
Not much to say about that one.

PMG:

My first PMG
XM8/TAR-21 hybrid
Old GLMG by me.
12.7x108mm AMR
OICW
Not sure how to describe this one.
Bullpup AK and its ugly cousin.
Top-loading MG
AK
Semi-auto rifle and its tacticlolmodern variant
Modern bolt-action DMR

Also, here's a bonus of two unfinished lineart projects:
Interdiction fighter
I-10K man-portable revolver cannon(The stock on this one was only there to give me temporary perspective; I was going to replace it something else when I was more complete)

[Ea90]

Just putting it out there; I reserved 13 in the last thread.

[Tule]

You should switch to an AR round. The AK action is almost too long for a bullpup without making it BR sized.

The RFB's size is deceiving; Kel-Tec likes long pistol grips and other things that make the proportions look more even than they are.



It's up

It says here on Wikipedia Valmet M82 that one version fired 7.62x39mm (Soviet) so why could it not work? And I dont know about a smaller round, I am afraid they would not work as well as a BR in dense forests and in the mountains of the Commonwealth.

Don't worry, the 7.62x39 is extremely good at penetration.

[Benomia]

Just putting it out there: disregarding the OP, I have the first and last post in the old thread.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Guys. Cut this shit out till page 400 or so.

[Communist republic of altorus]

L1A1 SLR with a folding stock and synthetic parts

[Sevvania]

Pistol, Automatic, 9x19mm, Morgan Model 1936



Standard sidearm of the Sevvanian Armed Forces, the Morgan Machine Pistol is capable of both semi- and fully-automatic fire. Also available in "Artillery" variants, which are fitted with a thumbhole stock and a 20-round box magazine.

Submachine Gun, 9x19mm, Model 1942

9mm submachine gun commonly used by officers, vehicle crews, and airbourne forces. Features a ribbed barrel to prevent overheating. Capable of mounting the standard bayonet.

Revolving Carbine, Double-Action, 7.62x38mmR, Model 1942

Integrally suppressed carbine intended for use by special forces. Fires 7.62x38mmR rounds from a 7-round cylinder.

Rifle, Bolt-Action, 7.62x54mmR, Mosin-Nagant Model 1891-30

Adopted in 1900, the Mosin-Nagant quickly became the staple of the Sevvanian military. It continued to serve up through the second World War, where it was generally used as a marksman or sniper rifle.

Rifle, Semi-Automatic, 7.62x54mmR, Outlander Model 1940

Standard service rifle of the Sevvanian Armed Forces, the Outlander is renowned for its reliability. Feeds from a detachable 10-round box magazine, but is capable of accepting 20-round magazines from the Mark IV Automatic Rifle. Can be reloaded with stripper clips.

Mark IV Automatic Rifle

Fully-automatic 7.62x54mmR support weapon designed for walking fire. Capable of feeding from 10-, 20-, or 75-round box magazines. Can be reloaded with stripper clips.

Rifle, Bolt-Action, Caliber .50, Tyrant Model 1921
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Single-shot anti-tank rifle. While it did not perform well in its intended role, it had little trouble disabling lightly armored vehicles. It was occasionally used as a long-range sniper rifle.

Rocket Launcher, 105mm

Reloadable rocket launcher with a 105mm warhead. Effective range of around 150 meters.

[Fordorsia]

(Image)

Pistol, Automatic, 9x19mm, Morgan Model 1936

(Image)

Standard sidearm of the Sevvanian Armed Forces, the Morgan Machine Pistol is capable of both semi- and fully-automatic fire. Also available in "Artillery" variants, which are fitted with a thumbhole stock and a 20-round box magazine.

Submachine Gun, 9x19mm, Model 1942
(Image)
9mm submachine gun commonly used by officers, vehicle crews, and airbourne forces. Features a ribbed barrel to prevent overheating. Capable of mounting the standard bayonet.

Revolving Carbine, Double-Action, 7.62x38mmR, Model 1942
(Image)
Integrally suppressed carbine intended for use by special forces. Fires 7.62x38mmR rounds from a 7-round cylinder.

Rifle, Bolt-Action, 7.62x54mmR, Mosin-Nagant Model 1891-30
(Image)
Adopted in 1900, the Mosin-Nagant quickly became the staple of the Sevvanian military. It continued to serve up through the second World War, where it was generally used as a marksman or sniper rifle.

Rifle, Semi-Automatic, 7.62x54mmR, Outlander Model 1940
(Image)
Standard service rifle of the Sevvanian Armed Forces, the Outlander is renowned for its reliability. Feeds from a detachable 10-round box magazine, but is capable of accepting 20-round magazines from the Mark IV Automatic Rifle. Can be reloaded with stripper clips.

Mark IV Automatic Rifle
(Image)
Fully-automatic 7.62x54mmR support weapon designed for walking fire. Capable of feeding from 10-, 20-, or 75-round box magazines. Can be reloaded with stripper clips.

Rifle, Bolt-Action, Caliber .50, Tyrant Model 1921
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/74913926/Rifle ... 201921.png
Single-shot anti-tank rifle. While it did not perform well in its intended role, it had little trouble disabling lightly armored vehicles. It was occasionally used as a long-range sniper rifle.

Rocket Launcher, 105mm
(Image)
Reloadable rocket launcher with a 105mm warhead. Effective range of around 150 meters.

That slide so close to where your face should be doesn't look too appealing.

[Benomia]

The Viper M4MA2E6 is a battle rifle that fires the 7.8x65mmHP round (which was itself developed for the Viper rifle). It has a barrel that is 457 milimeteres long, and the overall rifle is roughly 800 milimeters long. It fires from a 15- or 20-round box magazine, or a 50-, 75-, or 100-round drum magazine. It is operated by a long stroke gas piston and a rotating bolt. Standard is a side folding skeletal stock, although fixed and non-skelatal folding stocks are available. A total of two pitcanny rails are featured on the top and bottom of the weapon, for mounting various accesories such as optics, foregrips, grenade launchers, flashlights, etc. Rifles are issued standard with a non-magnifying holographic optic, with mounted irons sights as back-up if the optic cannot be used. The whole rifle, unloaded with no optics mounted, weighs 7.8 pounds. It has an effective range of 500 meters and a maximum range of 900 meters, although engaging targets at that range is extremely diffacult due to the heavy recoil the round produces.
There have been many versions of the Viper over time. A total of eight true versions of the rifle have been created: the M1, M1A1, M2, M3, M3, M4, M4A1, M4M, M4MA1, and M4MA2 (minor revisions are not listed). However, the number of derivitives is much lower, at one: the Viper SOSS.MG, which is stockless, silenced submachinegun firing the experimental .50 ACP round.

As of right now. the Viper M4MA2E6 is the standard issue military weapon of the Benomian Grand National Army.

[Transnapastain]

I thought this would happen. Weapons post topics come later when I'm not on my tablet

[Ularn]

M4MA2E6

Your soldiers need to nickname it "Mama"

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Four pages back is better than last time, I guess.
But I missed out on five pages of the last thread, including p500.
I was cooking and cleaning

*click images to view images in full size*

The People's Standing Army presently field the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 1 "Doberman" (SA-AR-1) Battle Rifle in its Mod 3 variant (AV-97M3, Automatic Rifle year 1997 Mod 3). A 7.62mm Samozniy (shortened, de-rimmed 7.62x54mmR) select-fire bullpup battle rifle built with the long-stroke pattern gas mechanism, and a range of barrel lengths for multiple purposes. A 14.5" Carbine for the Carbine SuperShort variant, a 21" Standard Rifle variant and a 30" HBAR support weapon, suitable for use as either a Medium Automatic Rifle (as officially designated), or equally well as a DMR.
Recently, the PSA made the switch to the Mod 3-280 programme, rechambering to .280 Samozniy, a locally produced series based off the .280 British cartridge.

All three 'standard' variants of the SA-AR-1/Mod 3 platform
The magazines are of a 'casket' type, and a typically issued in 36-round 'standard' magazines and 72-round 'support' magazines. Due to the significant size of the 'support' magazine combined with the bullpup layout, work is currently ongoing into both a 'low-capacity' 56-round magazine and also a 72-round snail drum magazine.
The Samozniy Department of Law & Order's Combat Brigade utilises a specialised variant of the AR-1 platform (third weapon from top in main image):
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The top rifle is equipped with a 24" precision bull barrel, RIS handguard to mount a stabilising bipod, adapted top cover, modified semi-automatic-only selector switch and a 1.5x-6x zoom scope. The second rifle is intended for the Civilian market. It features the same adapted top cover and semi-automatic-only selector switch as the Police model, but is equipped with only an 18" bull barrel and no provision to mount a bipod, featuring a non-removable non-railed variant of the standard handguard. Its depicted optic is only of 1x-4x zoom magnification. Both rifles are equipped with conventional 20-round magazines.
The fourth weapon down is a 12ga shotgun conversion of the system, by boring out the 25.5" HBAR from the MAR and modifying one of the SR-3's twenty-round magazines to hold five 12ga shotshells. This conversion is actually made to the Mod 3-E export variant (7.62x51mm NATO), as the OA/length dimensions of the shell are identical to that of 7.62x51

PSA forces also utilise the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 2 "Pitbull" (SA-AR-2) Assault Carbine in its Mod 3 variant (known in service as both the SpV-8M3 [Special-purpose Rifle 1998 Mod 3, sometimes known as SvK for Special-purpose Carbine] and SMA-5.45M2 [Special-purpose small-size assault rifle, calibre 5.45mm, Mod 2]). Chambered for the indigenous 5.45x45mm Samozniy intermediate cartridge, it combines adequate short-medium range lethality against lightly-armoured infantry. The round provides a portmanteau of the reliable feeding and ubiquitous nature of the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge's case with the Russian 5.45x39mm bullet for various ballistic improvements that do not require a jump to a whole new cartridge, as other ballistically high-performing rounds such as the 6.5 Grendel would. The 5.45x45 is capable of feeding directly from 5.56 magazines.

All five 'standard' variants of the SA-AR-2/Mod 3 platform
As shown above are the 10", 12.5" and 14.5" 'Carbine' variant rifles with direct impingement gas operation and standard receivers with shortened handguards - the lower two rifles are a 16" 'Rifle' and an 18" HBAR/Bull Barrel capable of light support work. Both the 16" and 18" barrels use a short-stroke piston with adapted, strengthened receiver bodies.
Additional variants, capable of taking large-rifle cartridges (with an overall length of greater than 60mm but less than 75mm, by Samozniy military standards) and shotshells are also in production:
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Two versions of the 12ga 2.75" shotgun conversion. Like the Doberman's shotgun variation, it is unfortunately limited to 2.75" shotshells by system size. The Shotgun and Large Rifle variants are based off of the strengthened receiver model and feature oversized, non-interchangeable magazine wells and bored-out ejection ports. The Shotshell variants, like those of the Doberman, feature the standard HBAR of the rifle bored out to 12ga.
In Samozniy PSA service, only the 10" Carbine and 18" HBAR variants are used. Spetsnaz forces occasionally utilise the 16" Rifle, but the 12.5", 14.5" DI and 16" short-stroke barrel options are intended primarily for the export market. All three 'Carbine' length barrels can be upgraded to short-stroke operation, requiring specially-shortened gas pistons and being mounted on the strengthened receivers.

Before the recent re-introduction of the Doberman battle rifle, PSA forces used the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 3 "Rottweiler" (SA-AR-3) Modular Combat Rifle family in the Mod 2 variant. Again adopting the bullpup format and the 5.45x45mm Samozniy cartridge, the weapon was intended to be a part of the "Soldat Budushchego" (Future Soldier) programme as part of a re-branding of the PSA forces. The Mod 2 variant revisits the slim, straight, sleek appearance of the Mod 0 original-issue variant, departing from the over-engineered bulk of the Mod 1.
As with all Samozniy Military Industries rifles, the weapon features a number of variants - an 8" barrel 'PDW' without a handguard, a 12.5" Carbine with handguard, 16" standard rifle and 20" HBAR/Support.

16" and 12.5" variant barrels, with standard and carbine stocks respectively
The 'dual-surface' fore-end was designed to maximise control over the weapon, whether precision shooting at range or automatic fire in CQB. The standard handguard is intended for conventional use - medium-range single or burst firing, while the foregrip/trigger guard module is intended to maximise control with automatic fire, by providing a tight, close grip between the hands, aiming to reduce muzzle climb.

[Benomia]

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I'm used to people labeling the AKM as an AK-47...I can understand that. They look similar. However, there is no excuse for the "AK-47" featured in the bottom of this picture.

[Ularn]

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I'm used to people labeling the AKM as an AK-47...I can understand that. They look similar. However, there is no excuse for the "AK-47" featured in the bottom of this picture.

I don't normally do this but I think the situation warrants it:

Is that meant to be some kind of TKB?

[Tule]

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I'm used to people labeling the AKM as an AK-47...I can understand that. They look similar. However, there is no excuse for the "AK-47" featured in the bottom of this picture.

I don't normally do this but I think the situation warrants it:


Is that meant to be some kind of TKB?

That's a bullpup'ed AKM.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/nhpr/files/styles/placed_wide/public/201302/GunsInfographic_0.png

I'm used to people labeling the AKM as an AK-47...I can understand that. They look similar. However, there is no excuse for the "AK-47" featured in the bottom of this picture.

I don't normally do this but I think the situation warrants it:


Is that meant to be some kind of TKB?

No, it's a bullpup AK.
Is that what a Draco pistol is?

[Ularn]

I don't normally do this but I think the situation warrants it:


Is that meant to be some kind of TKB?

No, it's a bullpup AK.
Is that what a Draco pistol is?

Fair 'nuff. I thought some of the TKB variants were basically bullpuped AKs.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Someday, I might actually get around to finishing this up.

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(Modified Bullpup M14)

[Immoren]

Someday, I might actually get around to finishing this up.

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(Modified Bullpup M14)

Will you work faster if I threaten you with ICBCPs?