Main Military Weapon of your Country: Pattern VIII (Read OP)

[Puzikas]

yes

*issues to infantry at fireteam level*

Welcome aboard.


Will be developing more stuff in the future, now that me and spree have the gears going on small arms.

[Spreewerke]

Lets try this again, last little venture I had into this forum was picked off very fast due to some problems that where enhanced by my poorly thought out defense, now take two.

I'll start with the soldier - arguably the ultimate weapon.
In the TSA soldiers are organized into 30 man squads with 3 sergeants (one for every ten men)

What would you suggest for weights?
The average Trooper will carry:
1X Tiger BR (revised) 18.5lbs 1x T5-12 Gen. II battle rifle, ~10lbs.
3X 16 Round Magazines + one in rifle 2lbs each - 8lbs total 5x 20-round magazines, ~1.8lbs
1X bayonet ??? ~1.2lbs
1X canteen - 3lbs
1X Rations pack (powdered) - 2 5 days worth - 5lbs
1X sleeping bag - 5lbs (Summer)
1X Hygiene Kit - soap, razor, etc - 2lbs
uniform + boots - 5lbs
total: 33lbs

Each sergeant carries:
1X .45 Executioner pistol - 8lbs SP-91, 2lbs
5X 15 round magazines 2x 13-round magazines - 0.5lbs each - 6lbs weight unknown, assumed 3lbs
1X radio - 11lbs
2X hand grenades - 3lb each - 6lbs 2.5lbs each: 5lbs.
10X 2x flares - 2lbs 0.25lbs (apparently)
1X canteen - 3lbs
1X Rations pack (powdered) - 2 days worth - 5lbs See above, 5lbs.
1X sleeping bag - 5lbs (Summer)
1X Hygiene Kit - soap, razor, etc - 2lbs
uniform + boots - 5lbs
total: 53lbs Total: 41.25lbs.

Fixed... I guess.

The Tiger .330 BR is designed to suit the wants of a large army and give them the range to counter any threats before they can get close (tanks pose a problem). It is a weapon for wold domination and possesses a massive recoil and weight, making it one of the worst weapons in history (next to the AK47)

The .45 Executioner is an internally silenced select fire pistol that has more in common with an SMG, so much to that very few users utilize a holster and instead rely on a sling. Like the Tiger it is cheap and designed for world domination.

I see.

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here is no issued MG but some officers are issued an M12 automatic shotgun that is one of the best weapons in its class - until it jams. some exceptional soldiers receive telescopic sights but they are in a minority.

wat

[Nua Corda]

I'm actually considering keeping the Lancet (or a modernized version thereof) in service with frag or HE/DP warheads as an assault weapon. Troops would keep a pile of them in the Loggerhead, and use them as an assault weapon. They're light, simple and cheap, so they wouldn't be much of a burden. The Silver Arrow would still be in use (once I finish tweaking it), but used less for assaulting positions and more for pure anti-armor duty.

I fully intend to keep the Silver Arrow until the next generation of anti-tank missiles, but the Lancet, unfortunately, isn't quite up to the same standards as the Vorchat-2 .

The Lancet is an 80mm weapon. I haven't got much else worked out, but that alone would tend to increase warhead effectiveness.

[Nua Corda]

The Tiger .330 BR is designed to suit the wants of a large army and give them the range to counter any threats before they can get close (tanks pose a problem). It is a weapon for wold domination and possesses a massive recoil and weight, making it one of the worst weapons in history (next to the AK47)

The .45 Executioner is an internally silenced select fire pistol that has more in common with an SMG, so much to that very few users utilize a holster and instead rely on a sling. Like the Tiger it is cheap and designed for world domination.

There is no issued MG but some officers are issued an M12 automatic shotgun that is one of the best weapons in its class - until it jams. some exceptional soldiers receive telescopic sights but they are in a minority.

Scrap it. Redesign it or pick something sensible from IRL or NS.

The MRS-67, for example, will fit your intended role much better *winks, nudges*



Scrap this too. Also,

>integrally supressed
>cheap
>lol

No MGs? Automatic shotguns? Are your military commanders brain-dead or something? MGs are necessary, at company level at the VERY LEAST. Ideally, a GPMG should be platoon level and an LMG or LSW should be at squad or section level. Automatic shotguns are a niche weapon at best. And scopes on shotguns?

[Coltarin]

Me and trans will be using this weapon, figured I would submit this for everyone to condemn/praise.

BPVO "Ворчание-2"
Large Area Explosive weapon "Vorchat-2" (grumble)
Length:
785mm passive
880mm ready
Weight: 3.85kg
Warhead: X1 SOLBRYV-23F (solnryv=Sun Burst) Thermobaric explosive with 2.4kg filling
Effective range: 375 meters
Caliber: 74mm
Muzzle velocity: 162m/s
Self detonation after 500m

The BVPO is a tube launched, single shot disposable rocket launcher firing a 74mm fin stabilized, solid state fuel rocket. It can be prepared to fire by a trained operator in approximately 6 seconds. Relying on Thermobaric munitions, the rockets explosive yield is considerably more than that of traditional disposable launchers of similar size. Lethal area against infantry in the open is 35 meters, and in areas with fragmentation potential the area can be as high as 120 meters. It is able to destroy soft skinned vehicles (Destruction of 100mm RHA after ERA effects) as well as enemy positions such as bunkers, caves, or enemy's behind berms.

The danger area of the back blast is 10 meters. Upon firing, a two stage motor ignites and accelerates the rocket to 97 m/s. After flying 10 meters from deployment of fins, a second stage rocket activates, pushing the rocket to 162 m/s.

OOooo I think I want i n on this baby.

[Idaho Conservatives]

Automatic shotguns are a niche weapon at best. And scopes on shotguns?

Hey, it works in video games.

[Puzikas]

Lets get down to it.

Lets try this again, last little venture I had into this forum was picked off very fast due to some problems that where enhanced by my poorly thought out defense, now take two.

I'll start with the soldier - arguably the ultimate weapon.
In the TSA soldiers are organized into 30 man squads with 3 sergeants (one for every ten men)

What would you suggest for weights?
The average Trooper will carry:
1X Tiger BR (revised) 18.5lbs
3X 16 Round Magazines + one in rifle 2lbs each - 8lbs total
1X bayonet ??? No more than 1.2Kg
1X canteen - 2lbs
1X Rations pack (MRE) - 2 days worth - 5lbs
1X sleeping bag - 5lbs (Summer)
1X Hygiene Kit - soap, razor, etc - 2lbs
uniform + boots - 5lbs
total:

Each sergeant carries:
1X .45 Executioner pistol - 8lbs
5X 15 round magazines - 0.5lbs each - 6lbs
1X radio - 11lbs
2X hand grenades - 3lbs each - 6lbs
10X flares - 2lbs
1X canteen - 2lbs
1X Rations pack (powdered) - 2 days worth - 5lbs
1X sleeping bag - 5lbs (Summer)
1X Hygiene Kit - soap, razor, etc - 2lbs
uniform + boots - 5lbs
total: 53lbs

Fixed a few things.

Firstly, your rife is still too damned heavy to shoot.
The pistol is too heavy, and an integrally suppressed handgun is very complicated to clean. In a field? Bad idea.
A hygiene kit is nice but un necessary.
Powdered rations are crap vs. MREs. Much more practical.
A bayonet is rarely used in combat, but its still used as a utility knife very often.

The Tiger .330 BR is designed to suit the wants of a large army and give them the range to counter any threats before they can get close (tanks pose a problem).

The average engagement distance of enemy personnel in theory is 300 meters, practice ranges from 200 to 400 meters. The farthest I ever needed to shoot in over a decade of service was 500 meters, anything past that is a job for a squad designated marksman.

It is a weapon for wold domination and possesses a massive recoil and weight, making it one of the worst weapons in history (next to the AK47)

Me and spree could write a book on why that part is wrong. Your starting to troll. Bad.
The Kalashnikov is a wonderful rifle, and I am not saying that because I have spent the bulk of my life behind one.


"word domination" is going to be hard when your soldiers are exhausted and unable to shoot their rifles. Again, from experience, rifles get heavy. Kilos become kilos on top of kilos, and you get exhausted. It becomes hard to raise a rifle or a pistol eventually. With a 25 pound rifle and a 8 pound pistol? I give your guys 5 minutes in high-intensity engagements. Your pistol does not have more in common with a SMG, unless it feeds from a magazine outside of the grip where your trigger hand goes. Its called a machine pistol if not. Integrally suppressed, as said, is complicated. Why be quiet when your enemy will hear your guys huffing and puffing 50 meters away?

There is no issued MG but some officers are issued an M12 automatic shotgun that is one of the best weapons in its class - until it jams. some exceptional soldiers receive telescopic sights but they are in a minority.

Automatic shotguns fill a notch so small its no wonder only three big ones have been (fully) developed, two entered production, and only one fielded. A semi-automatic shotgun works well. Using it in a MG roll is stupid, since you clearly intend to engage targets over 650 meters away. You need a LMG or GPMG.

[Aqizithiuda]

*issues to infantry at fireteam level*

Welcome aboard.


Will be developing more stuff in the future, now that me and spree have the gears going on small arms.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing what is developed. The PDW in particular.

I fully intend to keep the Silver Arrow until the next generation of anti-tank missiles, but the Lancet, unfortunately, isn't quite up to the same standards as the Vorchat-2 .

The Lancet is an 80mm weapon. I haven't got much else worked out, but that alone would tend to increase warhead effectiveness.

Ah, but can it kill infantry 35m away with blast alone?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Moved to the realism consultation thread

[Puzikas]

Erm... on the subject, my 48hr kit.
Criticism?

Infantry Standard Kit (Worn on person)
1) LYMERIC Infantry Combat Armour System (8kg)
1) AM-17 Combat Rifle (2.3kg)
1) KM55 (.45kg)
5) Grenades [3 Frag, 2 Stun] (1.18kg)
5) AM-17 Magazines [30 rounds each, 150 210 rounds total] (3.6kg)
2) 24 Hour Field Rations(1kg)
100oz Water Bladder (2.8kg)
1) Hygiene Kit (.30kg)
1) IFAK (.34kg)
1) Maintenance/Cleaning Kit (.32kg)
1) Bivy Sack (.9kg)
1) Sleeping bag w/integrated air mattress (1.5kg)
Total 23.31kg

Needs a few more things, multitool, flairs...Use judgement. I have faith in you.
Also, assuming KM55 is pistol. If not, what is?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Erm... on the subject, my 48hr kit.
Criticism?

Infantry Standard Kit (Worn on person)
1) LYMERIC Infantry Combat Armour System (8kg)
1) AM-17 Combat Rifle (2.3kg)
1) KM55 (.45kg)
5) Grenades [3 Frag, 2 Stun] (1.18kg)
5) AM-17 Magazines [30 rounds each, 150 210 rounds total] (3.6kg)
2) 24 Hour Field Rations(1kg)
100oz Water Bladder (2.8kg)
1) Hygiene Kit (.30kg)
1) IFAK (.34kg)
1) Maintenance/Cleaning Kit (.32kg)
1) Bivy Sack (.9kg)
1) Sleeping bag w/integrated air mattress (1.5kg)
Total 23.31kg

Needs a few more things, multitool, flairs...Use judgement. I have faith in you.
Also, assuming KM55 is pistol. If not, what is?

Faith is appreciated. Things are indeed missing, I need to look back over the list.
KM55 is a derp. Is meant to be KM2000 combat knife.

[Nua Corda]

Welcome aboard.


Will be developing more stuff in the future, now that me and spree have the gears going on small arms.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing what is developed. The PDW in particular.

The Lancet is an 80mm weapon. I haven't got much else worked out, but that alone would tend to increase warhead effectiveness.

Ah, but can it kill infantry 35m away with blast alone?

I would assume. With fragmentation warheads, definitely.

[Defensor]

So, I don't know if this bugs anyone else, but I figured here was the place to say it.

I was watching Pulp Fiction the other day (again) and I noticed at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says "my 9mm", he's holding a 1911. This movie was made in the 90's and 9mm 1911's weren't produced until the mid 2000's...so it was either a .22 or a .45 (and obviously .45 due to the barrel radius). Either way, inaccuracies like so concering weapons always piss me off, for some odd reason. Anyone else?

I mean come on, it's a damn 1911...respect the .45!

[Nua Corda]

So, I don't know if this bugs anyone else, but I figured here was the place to say it.

I was watching Pulp Fiction the other day (again) and I noticed at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says "my 9mm", he's holding a 1911. This movie was made in the 90's and 9mm 1911's weren't produced until the mid 2000's...so it was either a .22 or a .45. Either way, inaccuracies like so concering weapons always piss me off, for some odd reason. Anyone else?

I mean come on, it's a damn 1911...respect the .45!

It's actually a Spanish Star, not an M1911, and IS a 9mm. Do not question Samuel L.

[Spreewerke]

So, I don't know if this bugs anyone else, but I figured here was the place to say it.

I was watching Pulp Fiction the other day (again) and I noticed at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says "my 9mm", he's holding a 1911. This movie was made in the 90's and 9mm 1911's weren't produced until the mid 2000's...so it was either a .22 or a .45. Either way, inaccuracies like so concering weapons always piss me off, for some odd reason. Anyone else?

I mean come on, it's a damn 1911...respect the .45!

Ever heard of the Spanish Star-B? That's 9mm... or perhaps it was .38-Super which would, in reality, be 9mm in diameter.


Besides, the Llama was a 1911 from the '80s in 9mm.

EDIT: Ninjas.

[Defensor]

So, I don't know if this bugs anyone else, but I figured here was the place to say it.

I was watching Pulp Fiction the other day (again) and I noticed at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says "my 9mm", he's holding a 1911. This movie was made in the 90's and 9mm 1911's weren't produced until the mid 2000's...so it was either a .22 or a .45. Either way, inaccuracies like so concering weapons always piss me off, for some odd reason. Anyone else?

I mean come on, it's a damn 1911...respect the .45!

It's actually a Spanish Star, not an M1911, and IS a 9mm.

Holy shit, are you kidding me? Cause earlier in the movie he was carrying a 1911 wasn't he?

[Defensor]

So, I don't know if this bugs anyone else, but I figured here was the place to say it.

I was watching Pulp Fiction the other day (again) and I noticed at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says "my 9mm", he's holding a 1911. This movie was made in the 90's and 9mm 1911's weren't produced until the mid 2000's...so it was either a .22 or a .45. Either way, inaccuracies like so concering weapons always piss me off, for some odd reason. Anyone else?

I mean come on, it's a damn 1911...respect the .45!

Ever heard of the Spanish Star-B? That's 9mm... or perhaps it was .38-Super which would, in reality, be 9mm in diameter.


Besides, the Llama was a 1911 from the '80s in 9mm.

EDIT: Ninjas.

I know Llama made a 9mm version, but I didn't know it was from the 80's. And I've never heard of a spanish star before in my life...da faq?

[Nua Corda]

So, I don't know if this bugs anyone else, but I figured here was the place to say it.

I was watching Pulp Fiction the other day (again) and I noticed at the end when Samuel L. Jackson says "my 9mm", he's holding a 1911. This movie was made in the 90's and 9mm 1911's weren't produced until the mid 2000's...so it was either a .22 or a .45. Either way, inaccuracies like so concering weapons always piss me off, for some odd reason. Anyone else?

I mean come on, it's a damn 1911...respect the .45!

Ever heard of the Spanish Star-B? Perhaps it was .38-Super which would, in reality, be 9mm in diameter.


Besides, the Llama was a 1911 from the '80s in 9mm.

The prop was a nickle-plated Star Model B.

It's actually a Spanish Star, not an M1911, and IS a 9mm.

Holy shit, are you kidding me? Cause earlier in the movie he was carrying a 1911 wasn't he?

The Star Model B is basically a 9mm M1911, and looks incredibly similar. John Travolta does carry a '1911 though, specifically an Auto-Ordinance M1911A1.

[Puzikas]

Fun fact: That handgun has actually appeared in 38 movies.

[Defensor]

Ever heard of the Spanish Star-B? Perhaps it was .38-Super which would, in reality, be 9mm in diameter.


Besides, the Llama was a 1911 from the '80s in 9mm.

The prop was a nickle-plated Star Model B.

Holy shit, are you kidding me? Cause earlier in the movie he was carrying a 1911 wasn't he?

The Star Model B is basically a 9mm M1911, and looks incredibly similar. John Travolta does carry a '1911 though, specifically an Auto-Ordinance M1911A1.

Yeah, I knew Travolta did. That's interesting. I need to look at this, "Spanish Star"

Personally, however, I still think a 9mm 1911 is a disgrace (1911 purist here).

[Nua Corda]

The prop was a nickle-plated Star Model B.



The Star Model B is basically a 9mm M1911, and looks incredibly similar. John Travolta does carry a '1911 though, specifically an Auto-Ordinance M1911A1.

Yeah, I knew Travolta did. That's interesting. I need to look at this, "Spanish Star"

Personally, however, I still think a 9mm 1911 is a disgrace.

9mm in general is a disgrace if you ask me. 10mm diameter only diameter.

[Spreewerke]

Yeah, I knew Travolta did. That's interesting. I need to look at this, "Spanish Star"

Personally, however, I still think a 9mm 1911 is a disgrace.

9mm in general is a disgrace if you ask me. 10mm diameter only diameter.

Why not just use a .38 Super?

[Defensor]

Yeah, I knew Travolta did. That's interesting. I need to look at this, "Spanish Star"

Personally, however, I still think a 9mm 1911 is a disgrace.

9mm in general is a disgrace if you ask me. 10mm diameter only diameter.

Amen to that brother. Never been a fan. Still, it's what I'm issued to patrol with around the base, so whatever I'd rather patrol with my .45, heck, I'd rather patrol with me .380

[Nua Corda]

9mm in general is a disgrace if you ask me. 10mm diameter only diameter.

Why not just use a .38 Super?

Because you can get more performance out of a 10, and I hate the number 9.

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Star Modelo B, as seen in pulp fiction

[Spreewerke]

Why not just use a .38 Super?

Because you can get more performance out of a 10, and I hate the number 9.

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Star Modelo B, as seen in pulp fiction

Wiki. has muzzle velocities within 100fps within one another between .38 Super and 10mm Auto. I also doubt ~1mm difference in bullet diameter is going to make that big of a difference considering 9mm HPs can perform just as well as .45ACP HPs anymore.