Main Military Weapon of your Country: Pattern VIII (Read OP)

[Spreewerke]

What special application would it even have? It's huge, heavy, bulky and unreliable as fuck.

iirc it was for checkpoint people who needed to kill browns with bomb cars quickly.

Though now with the Beowulf mod the Deagle is even more stupid.

Myth: the Desert Eagle was designed by Magnum Research in 'Murricah, and the production was contracted out to Israeli Weapons' Industries in Israel. Once made, they were shipped right back to the United States.

Hey, helical magazines... Y/N?

I know, no huge advantages over traditional mags...

However, they can be stored indefinitely without having to worry about spring degradation, which is a huge plus since I intend to distribute/store all PMT small arms ammunition in preloaded magazines.

That and, they seem to have higher capacities than standard magazines. I know, they achieve this by being longer, but I've got quite a bit of space between the pistol grip and magazine well tthat can be used.

Also myth: you can store loaded magazines for an indefinite amount of time assuming the feed lips don't bend themselves out of shape (PMags and STANAGs, I be lookin' at you). Constant pressure on a spring won't wear it out. Repeated tension/no-tension (loading, unloading, etc.) several, several hundred times will. That's why you can store a rifle with its hammer back.

Any major differences between Austrian and US made Steyr weapons?

Regarding the Desert Eagle talk earlier, is noone interested in a gold plated or a tiger striped DE? If for nothing else just to have one

US made Steyr weapons exists? That's new to me ...
Australian, on the other hand ...

Generally said - some newer Steyr stuff might look tacticool, but their quality is still close to Swiss stuff.

Yep: there's a couple factories in the US making AUGs: MISR and Steyr. I've piddled around with both, and they seem pretty solidly-built. Semi-automatic only, of course, and the Steyrs are available with regular AUG magazines or a STANAG-compatible "NATO" version.

Apart from the fully automatic and helical mags, yeah.
Some units still do.
http://www.americanspecialops.com/image ... -mod-0.jpg

Apart from the full-auto, helical mags, and .30-06 cartridge he mentioned, that is.

I didn't read the helical mags part.

But I thought M14s were (at least some of them) full auto, and that was what separated them from M1s?

A full-auto variant was planned to replace the BAR as an infantry automatic rifle, but I don't think it reached the intended deployment numbers, for whatever reason.

All early M14s were giggle-switch-equipped. Turns out, full-auto 7.62 NATO is a bitchdicking to control, so they started equipping the rifles with sear blocks so they couldn't be switched to full-auto.

A full-auto variant was planned to replace the BAR as an infantry automatic rifle, but I don't think it reached the intended deployment numbers, for whatever reason.

Early M14s were full-auto, but it fell into the same "wishful thinking" category as things like the FG42; the M14 is too light for any soldier who forgot to become a giant ogre to handle it in full-auto. It was supposed to replace the M3, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and BAR all at once, but ended up being the shortest-issued standard rifle in the history of the US military.

You didn't happen to be in the #TerraFirma IRC channel last night, did you? I made mention of this exact thing.



EDIT TO ADD:

[Aqizithiuda]

You can fit one 50 round, 9x19mm helical magazine as the same space as four 30 round 9x19mm magazines. That's 50 rounds vs 120 rounds.

I'll be honest, yo me it looks a lot closer to two box mags to one helical mag.
That puts it as either two 32 round boxes or one 64 round helical.

Two 50 round Calico mags fit in a pouch designed for 4 AK mags ( http://www.notpurfect.com/calico/pistol.html ). In comparison, twelve 9mm sized box mags should fit in the same space.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Two 50 round Calico mags fit in a pouch designed for 4 AK mags ( http://www.notpurfect.com/calico/pistol.html ). In comparison, twelve 9mm sized box mags should fit in the same space.

Can't argue against that, can I?
Well, based on what Spree said, my entire reason for looking in to helical magazines is now moot, as compressed springs won't degrade over time.

Now I definitely see why that magazine patent you sent me never took off.

[Aqizithiuda]

Two 50 round Calico mags fit in a pouch designed for 4 AK mags ( http://www.notpurfect.com/calico/pistol.html ). In comparison, twelve 9mm sized box mags should fit in the same space.

Can't argue against that, can I?
Well, based on what Spree said, my entire reason for looking in to helical magazines is now moot, as compressed springs won't degrade over time.

Now I definitely see why that magazine patent you sent me never took off.

That and it's complex with multiple potential points of failure .

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

That and it's complex with multiple potential points of failure .

Never a good thing when it comes to magazine.

[Spreewerke]

That and it's complex with multiple potential points of failure .

Never a good thing when it comes to magazine.

A rifle is only as good as its magazine. Magazine doesn't work? Neither does your rifle.

[Estainia]

Musketeers want a word with you I imagine...Their rifles worked quite well.

[Spreewerke]

Musketeers want a word with you I imagine...Their rifles worked quite well.

...and here I thought people would assume I was referring to magazine-fed firearms. When'd we become NSG?

[Estainia]

Musketeers want a word with you I imagine...Their rifles worked quite well.

...and here I thought people would assume I was referring to magazine-fed firearms. When'd we become NSG?

Smilies don't really affect me so you know. I was merely pointing out.

[Kouralia]

Musketeers want a word with you I imagine...Their rifles worked quite well.

...and here I thought people would assume I was referring to magazine-fed firearms. When'd we become NSG?

Hush you.

95th Rifles also want a word about the lack of magazines!

D:<

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Never a good thing when it comes to magazine.

A rifle is only as good as its magazine. Magazine doesn't work? Neither does your rifle.

Very true.
What goes in to a decent magazine?
Quality materiels... durable feed lips... squid tentacles...

[Spreewerke]

A rifle is only as good as its magazine. Magazine doesn't work? Neither does your rifle.

Very true.
What goes in to a decent magazine?
Quality materiels... durable feed lips... squid tentacles...

Pretty much just strong springs, in-spec manufacturing, and solid feed lips, to be perfectly honest.

[Puzikas]

Very true.
What goes in to a decent magazine?
Quality materiels... durable feed lips... squid tentacles...

Pretty much just strong springs, in-spec manufacturing, and solid feed lips, to be perfectly honest.

Dont forget to build it out of durable materials.

You know what I'm talking about, KBP....

[San-Silvacian]

so for my new nation, I'll be using the SG-550 series.

What would be a good LMG to complement it that isn't the M249?

[Immoren]

so for my new nation, I'll be using the SG-550 series.

What would be a good LMG to complement it that isn't the M249?

M240 variant or PKM variant.

[San-Silvacian]

so for my new nation, I'll be using the SG-550 series.

What would be a good LMG to complement it that isn't the M249?

M240 variant or PKM variant.

Those are GMPGs.

I already have the MG3.

[Spreewerke]

M240 variant or PKM variant.

Those are GMPGs.

I already have the MG3.

...FG42 in 5.56 NATO?

[San-Silvacian]

Those are GMPGs.

I already have the MG3.

...FG42 in 5.56 NATO?

LEWIS GUN IN 5.56 NATO

[Aqizithiuda]

...FG42 in 5.56 NATO?

LEWIS GUN IN 5.56 NATO

+11 million style points.

- 3 million man points.

[Sevvania]

M240 variant or PKM variant.

Those are GMPGs.

I already have the MG3.

The only difference between a GPMG and an LMG is how you use it, from my understanding. I think they're pretty much interchangeable terms.

[Immoren]

M240 variant or PKM variant.

Those are GMPGs.

I already have the MG3.

GPMG is best SAW. Accept no substitutes! D:<

[Kouralia]

Those are GMPGs.

I already have the MG3.

GPMG is best SAW. Accept no substitutes! D:<

Use teh greetest LSAT in .280 British as an LMG.

:s

[San-Silvacian]

I think I'll just have the MG4 as my LMG. I'll also issue out MG3s as I see fit.

[Aqizithiuda]

GPMG is best SAW. Accept no substitutes! D:<

Use teh greetest LSAT in .280 British as an LMG.

:s

Learn 2 LSAT .

[Nua Corda]

Hey, helical magazines... Y/N?

I know, no huge advantages over traditional mags...

However, they can be stored indefinitely without having to worry about spring degradation, which is a huge plus since I intend to distribute/store all PMT small arms ammunition in preloaded magazines.

That and, they seem to have higher capacities than standard magazines. I know, they achieve this by being longer, but I've got quite a bit of space between the pistol grip and magazine well tthat can be used.

Also myth: you can store loaded magazines for an indefinite amount of time assuming the feed lips don't bend themselves out of shape (PMags and STANAGs, I be lookin' at you). Constant pressure on a spring won't wear it out. Repeated tension/no-tension (loading, unloading, etc.) several, several hundred times will. That's why you can store a rifle with its hammer back.

I've never heard of this happening to PMAGs. Actually, I think they were designed to be able to store for extended periods, hence the magazine cap.