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Who will OP MMW Number 9?

Nua Corda
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39%
Kouralia
25
13%
Spreewerke
46
24%
Coltarin
21
11%
Aqizithiuda
26
13%
 
Total votes : 193

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Spreewerke
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:49 pm

Black Hand wrote:
United Republics of Aralon wrote:Why is Kimber bad? Quality issues? I headr the solo is reliable,but picky on the ammo as long as quality ammo is run trough it it shall have no issue. I dunno how the Kimber 1911s perform, however, I just picked a compact 1911 off the net.

You want 1911 Buy from Springfield or Colt They Work The Colt one's are also offered in a variety of calibers including the colt defender elite in beautiful 10mm.



Best compact 1911 I've ever handled? Springfield Champion Operator, hands-down. That is an absolutely amazing 1911. Everything about it is just so... right...



EDIT: Yay, top page! That means I get to post the gunporn I just spent about an hour or two photographing.

http://imgur.com/a/H1Fft

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT: TOP PAGE PORN WAS A LINK AND NOT AN IMAGE. SO WHAT? WANNA FIGHT ABOUT IT?
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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:51 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
United Republics of Aralon wrote:Why is Kimber bad? Quality issues? I headr the solo is reliable,but picky on the ammo as long as quality ammo is run trough it it shall have no issue. I dunno how the Kimber 1911s perform, however, I just picked a compact 1911 off the net.



All I know is that their current wait time for non-customs is pulling further and further ahead of NFA paperwork wait times. That, and they really don't offer anything spectacular on the 1911 platform that you can't just do yourself rather easily.

As a (not quite) proud Hungarian, Wait lists don't matter I can only meet guns on overpriced ranges.
I'll take your advice regardless.
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Postby Puzikas » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:52 pm

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Puzikas wrote:Did you not get my bloody text? :P

Please to not be insult of GSH-18. Pistol is of glorious, and its literary the best pistol I have ever fired in my life. It never broke, it never jammed, and I had exactly zeros issues with it ever. It was and is my single favorite pistol in ever. I wish, and hope, that they become imported to the US some day.
And its NOT ugly. Its beautiful in the same way any other Soviet weapon is. You think the AK is beautiful? SKS? PM? SVD? PK Machine Gun? Then you should find the GSh-18 too. Its beautiful in the scene of utilitarianship.

Also, Kimber is really a bad idea.

Why is Kimber bad? Quality issues? I headr the solo is reliable,but picky on the ammo as long as quality ammo is run trough it it shall have no issue. I dunno how the Kimber 1911s perform, however I just picked a compact 1911 off the net.



Quality issues. Cracked slides from factory, improper headspace, cracked and rusted barrels, broken return springs, circular machining marks, destroyed feed ramps, ect. ect. I hear the NEW line is better, but I still do not trust it.

As for 10mm auto 1911, its best to have one FROM the factory and not a refitted 1911 from .45ACP to 10x25.
Colt Delta is best 10mm. I really like how it looks.
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Postby Black Hand » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:58 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Black Hand wrote:You want 1911 Buy from Springfield or Colt They Work The Colt one's are also offered in a variety of calibers including the colt defender elite in beautiful 10mm.


Springfield M1911s are from I hear horrible and made in foreign lands.

Rock Island Armoy 10mm Auto 1911 best 1911.

Really never heard a single complaint about a Foreign made Springfield. Also oops defaulted to colt Defender meant Colt Delta Elite it's ok...it's ok.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:12 pm

Black Hand wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Springfield M1911s are from I hear horrible and made in foreign lands.

Rock Island Armoy 10mm Auto 1911 best 1911.

Really never heard a single complaint about a Foreign made Springfield. Also oops defaulted to colt Defender meant Colt Delta Elite it's ok...it's ok.



I'm just "lol"ing because Rock Island Armory is a subdivision of Armscor, a Philippines-based manufacturer.

https://us.armscor.com/heritage/history
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Postby Lolzieristan » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:16 pm

Say, what's the price range for one of those good 10mm Colts? I'm in the market for a not-Glock 10mm, and there kinda aren't that many.


And it's odd that you guys are saying Kimber sucks, I'm used to hearing/seeing it as the <$1000 platform for operators who operate in operations..,
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:21 pm

Lolzieristan wrote:Say, what's the price range for one of those good 10mm Colts? I'm in the market for a not-Glock 10mm, and there kinda aren't that many.


And it's odd that you guys are saying Kimber sucks, I'm used to hearing/seeing it as the <$1000 platform for operators who operate in operations..,


Price does not always reflect quality. Prime examples would be Red Jacket Firearms, Kel-Tec, and Bushmaster.

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Postby Vareiln » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:27 pm

Graznovia wrote:GsH-18 looks slightly fugly to me (prily the fore-end). Nowhere near as fugly as the 'boxy plastic pistols' though. It just feels like the Glock went through a Russian treatment.

It's GSh.
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Also, I think I may be able to get a rifle soon. Most likely a Mosina or SKS.

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Postby Black Hand » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:29 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Lolzieristan wrote:Say, what's the price range for one of those good 10mm Colts? I'm in the market for a not-Glock 10mm, and there kinda aren't that many.


And it's odd that you guys are saying Kimber sucks, I'm used to hearing/seeing it as the <$1000 platform for operators who operate in operations..,


Price does not always reflect quality. Prime examples would be Red Jacket Firearms, Kel-Tec, and Bushmaster.

Price is a horrible measure of quality where I live(California) where everything costs 5 times what it should and a shitty AR-15 costs well over 1,500. (though I did miss a chance to pick up a surplus Mosin-Nagant for $87)
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Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby 3 State Alliance » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:33 pm

Black Hand wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
Price does not always reflect quality. Prime examples would be Red Jacket Firearms, Kel-Tec, and Bushmaster.

Price is a horrible measure of quality where I live(California) where everything costs 5 times what it should and a shitty AR-15 costs well over 1,500. (though I did miss a chance to pick up a surplus Mosin-Nagant for $87)


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Postby Veceria » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:35 pm

3 State Alliance wrote:
Black Hand wrote:Price is a horrible measure of quality where I live(California) where everything costs 5 times what it should and a shitty AR-15 costs well over 1,500. (though I did miss a chance to pick up a surplus Mosin-Nagant for $87)


Safety Rule #490-4
never shoot a gun that cost less than $100 - "Probably Okay" won't grow fingers back...

You've never used a Mosin Nagant before, I see ...
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:40 pm

Veceria wrote:
3 State Alliance wrote:
Safety Rule #490-4
never shoot a gun that cost less than $100 - "Probably Okay" won't grow fingers back...

You've never used a Mosin Nagant before, I see ...



Or an SKS in the 1990s, or an M1895 Nagant, or an Iver-Johnson TP-25, or a used Hi-Point (if such a thing exists)...

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:40 pm


In fairness, duplex and triplex loads are fairly terrible choices. In order to be useful, you have to guarantee a hit, which can only be achieved at close range due to poor accuracy.
Which isn't something riflemen are always doing.
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Surely the "Breeze between your knees mean the enemy flees" idea must still be in effect even after multiple millennia. Those Greeks weren't fools when it came to war.



...I thought I had seen it all in this thread.

But the tactical implications of full frontal nudity is, admittedly, a new one.

This is so going in the Quotes thread.
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Aerodiak wrote:(Image)

First read the bloody OP. Second The second gun you posted doesn't exist, and neither is the first one.

In fairness, since that Krinkov has no stock whatsoever, it could be argued that it is now 'AK-74u'
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A bullpup Saiga 12 and what seems to be a 12gauge P90... My special forces may be getting some new gear.

On that first one, I'm of a minority that actually likes the CBRPS conversions.

69 gauge? That's like .410, isn't it?
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3 State Alliance wrote:so while surfing the net I found somethings you all might appreciate...
(Image)
(Image)

A bullpup Saiga 12 and what seems to be a 12gauge P90... My special forces may be getting some new gear.


AHHHH.
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Poor saiga...

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Postby Black Hand » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:42 pm

3 State Alliance wrote:
Black Hand wrote:Price is a horrible measure of quality where I live(California) where everything costs 5 times what it should and a shitty AR-15 costs well over 1,500. (though I did miss a chance to pick up a surplus Mosin-Nagant for $87)


Safety Rule #490-4
never shoot a gun that cost less than $100 - "Probably Okay" won't grow fingers back...

How would a mosin be unsafe? this not one of your childish Automatic Weapons this a Bolt action rifle A weapon that fires one shot first time every time if a mosin Explodes/breaks/ Shatters The round used inside was made deep in the forges of hell by a particularly maniacal demon who hates all that is Beautiful in the world (ie: Said mosin).
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Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby 3 State Alliance » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:43 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Veceria wrote:You've never used a Mosin Nagant before, I see ...



Or an SKS in the 1990s, or an M1895 Nagant, or an Iver-Johnson TP-25, or a used Hi-Point (if such a thing exists)...

To the person who claimed I have never shot a Mosin-Nagant, you are correct - I like tea, crumpets and .303s far to much to waste time on backwards Russian weapons. (they need a "Like a sir" smily)
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:44 pm

3 State Alliance wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

Or an SKS in the 1990s, or an M1895 Nagant, or an Iver-Johnson TP-25, or a used Hi-Point (if such a thing exists)...

To the person who claimed I have never shot a Mosin-Nagant, you are correct - I like tea, crumpets and .303s far to much to waste time on backwards Russian weapons. (they need a "Like a sir" smily)



Lee-Enfields were sub-$100.00 not too long ago here in 'Murricah!. Heck, of all surplus WWII bolt-actions, they are probably one of the least-expensive. Typically ~M44 prices for a shooter-grade model. Jungle Carbines and pristine models can get ridiculous, though.

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Postby The Advancers » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:49 pm

Recognizing the need for a reliable rifle capable of being manufactured with local technology, TNP Corporation's Sansmark-Berus Arsenal Division set engineers from Corvus Combined Arms to adapting a suitable design from the native firearms scene. The result: the AK Corporate Issue. Edit: better version

The AKCI's basic design is completely functional without the electronics suites integrated into most Advancer weapons, enabling it to be constructed using relatively low-tech industrial capacity; no laser precision, zero-G molding, or nanite autofactories are required. As a tradeoff, the AKCI is heavier than contemporary rifles (the lightweight carbon alloys used in other weapons are difficult to manufacture without nanites), and less accurate. It also relies more heavily on the user for targeting and maintenance.

The barrel and receiver assemblies are specially designed to allow quick changing, with the default round size being Corporate standard 7.62x53. Limitations in magazine size prevent the use of non-compressed inert bolts or utility darts.

An adapter rail built into the reflex sight allows the AKCI to be fitted with most Corporate optics, and a set of passive sensors enable connection to those sights that adjust for weapon movement and other variables. The default sight is a holographic dot sight with 1.5x magnification.
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Postby Elan Valleys » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:50 pm

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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:51 pm

Elan Valleys wrote:For conscripts


Note sure how well it'd perform sans trigger pin, but that is a military model M16/M4 series: has the "third hole" for proper happy-switching.

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Postby Alimeria- » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:55 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Veceria wrote:You've never used a Mosin Nagant before, I see ...



Or an SKS in the 1990s, or an M1895 Nagant, or an Iver-Johnson TP-25, or a used Hi-Point (if such a thing exists)...

Not sure if it was used, but I do remember seeing a Hi-Point at a gun show.

Alimeria- wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:2) the P90 style action has existed in one form or another since 1949 ( http://www.google.com/patents/US2624241). The top mounted magazine was designed in '53 ( http://www.google.com/patents/US2773325 ).

Also, these P90 ancestors are very interesting. And now I'm wondering if such a concept would work with .45 ACP or something similar/based on .45.

Because I am a dirty .45 worshiper.
And reposting b/c I am a worshipper of .45 P90 ancestors.
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My first Flash 8 release; Introducing the Ulfran Trench Seax

Postby Ulfr-Reich » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:56 pm

Here it is, my first flash release. And no, the sword'll have to wait.


Blade Porn:
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Stabby, crushy and punchy, whats not to like with the warhorse combat dagger of the Haersmann. This fine seax is made of highly resilient folded and hand-forged steel-alloys. As such, it's resilience and sheer level of casualty causing spitefulness has caused it to be a constant favorite amongst all branches of the Ulfranes Haer; in some cases Haersmann have requested their Trench-Seax to be buried with them should they perish in battle. Since the dagger's introduction to the Ulfranes Haer's equipment roster in 1894 it has been a constant companion of the Haersmann, regardless of scenario or battlefield. To non-Ulfran folk, this blade is truly a straight-backed shortened cutlass.

Blade Length: 1 1/4ft (15") (1' 3" if preferred)

Blade Width: [Edge to Tang: 2 1/2"] [Blade Thickness: 3/8"

Type: Full Tang Seax with a Deep Fuller

Blade material: Folded Alloy-Steel

Edge type: Scandi

Guard/Hilt material: Titanium-Steel Alloy

Grip material: Iron-Pulp Oak

Grip length: 6"

Total length: 21" (1' 9")
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Postby 3 State Alliance » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:01 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
3 State Alliance wrote:To the person who claimed I have never shot a Mosin-Nagant, you are correct - I like tea, crumpets and .303s far to much to waste time on backwards Russian weapons. (they need a "Like a sir" smily)



Lee-Enfields were sub-$100.00 not too long ago here in 'Murricah!. Heck, of all surplus WWII bolt-actions, they are probably one of the least-expensive. Typically ~M44 prices for a shooter-grade model. Jungle Carbines and pristine models can get ridiculous, though.


Well They aren't here - a good Lee Enfield runs at about $250-$300 Canadian. I've never seen a Mosin-Nagant and very few Springfields or Mausers.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:04 pm

*Groans* I just want to buy some .22 and some .38 Spec... WHY? I hate scares.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:26 pm

Alimeria- wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Fordorsia Hardsuit Mk.2 ''Praeliator''

http://airborneleaf.deviantart.com/art/Fordorsia-Hardsuit-Mk-2-Praeliator-363667465?ga_submit_new=10%253A1365186674&ga_type=edit&ga_changes=1&ga_recent=1

Apparently people think it looks like those things from Bioshock? Is that a bad thing?

Does rather resemble the Big Daddies if they had guns instead of drills. I don't really know whether to say that's good or bad.

Aqizithiuda wrote:2) the P90 style action has existed in one form or another since 1949 ( http://www.google.com/patents/US2624241). The top mounted magazine was designed in '53 ( http://www.google.com/patents/US2773325 ).

Also, these P90 ancestors are very interesting. And now I'm wondering if such a concept would work with .45 ACP or something similar/based on .45.

Because I am a dirty .45 worshiper.


Given that there was a 12 gauge prototype in the post I responded to and that the patents in question were American, I'd think so :p .

Ulfr-Reich wrote:Here it is, my first flash release. And no, the sword'll have to wait.


Blade Porn:
(Image)

Stabby, crushy and punchy, whats not to like with the warhorse combat dagger of the Haersmann. This fine seax is made of highly resilient folded and hand-forged steel-alloys. As such, it's resilience and sheer level of casualty causing spitefulness has caused it to be a constant favorite amongst all branches of the Ulfranes Haer; in some cases Haersmann have requested their Trench-Seax to be buried with them should they perish in battle. Since the dagger's introduction to the Ulfranes Haer's equipment roster in 1894 it has been a constant companion of the Haersmann, regardless of scenario or battlefield. To non-Ulfran folk, this blade is truly a straight-backed shortened cutlass.

Blade Length: 1 1/4ft (15") (1' 3" if preferred)

Blade Width: [Edge to Tang: 2 1/2"] [Blade Thickness: 3/8"

Type: Full Tang Seax with a Deep Fuller

Blade material: Folded Alloy-Steel

Edge type: Scandi

Guard/Hilt material: Titanium-Steel Alloy

Grip material: Iron-Pulp Oak

Grip length: 6"

Total length: 21" (1' 9")


Very nice! I'll have to dog up my standard issue seax.
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Postby Rightport » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:38 pm

Well Rightport makes custom weapons for its Armed Forces as we do not buy foreign weapons.However we can't say what type we use or tell you about it due to security reasons.
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