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Who will OP MMW Number 9?

Nua Corda
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39%
Kouralia
25
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Spreewerke
46
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Coltarin
21
11%
Aqizithiuda
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Total votes : 193

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Postby Nua Corda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:51 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
Improved 5.56.


SO a 7.62 round? XD


No.

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
No.


Then it's still a .22 with more powder.


No.

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:52 pm

Sure it is. It's a .223 Calliber bullet with a big Case.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:53 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:Sure it is. It's a .223 Calliber bullet with a big Case.


No bigger than standard. It even has less powder than standard rounds.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:54 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:Sure it is. It's a .223 Calliber bullet with a big Case.


No bigger than standard. It even has less powder than standard rounds.


The 5.56 or the A1 round?
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Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
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Postby Bajireyn » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:55 pm

Hey, guys, would it possible to fire CTA rounds with an AK action?
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Postby Benomia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:57 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Benomia wrote:Is there any functional difference between a milled, machined, stamped, or 3D printed receiver (I know that last one is a stretch, but oh well)?


Yes.

Milled: Tends to be stronger and often lends more accuracy, but more expensive and tighter tolerances. Also heavier.

Machined: Like milled, but crappier.

Stamped: light, cheap and easy to mass-produce. Looser tolerances can mean less accuracy, but more reliability.

3D-printed: Like milled, but lighter and flimsier.


So in a theoretical situation where money/manufacturing issues are not even considered, a milled receiver would be more accurate but a stamped would be more reliable?
Decisions...

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Postby San-Silvacian » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:58 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
M885 Ball is the standard ammunition round used right now.

Naturally, M885A1 is an evolution of the the M885.

Got it? Not everything can be solved with bwattle wifles wulwulwulwul


Like what?


Try carrying eight 7.62 magazines when they weight 1.5 pounds each.

You can carry 12 5.56 magazines. 360 > 160

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:59 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Like what?


Try carrying eight 7.62 magazines when they weight 1.5 pounds each.

You can carry 12 5.56 magazines. 360 > 160

pls lrn 2 army


Use Caseless. Or that Nifty Backpack i saw somewhere. AT least if your using Varmit rounds use JHP If not full HP if your fighting known unarmored opponents.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:00 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
No bigger than standard. It even has less powder than standard rounds.


The 5.56 or the A1 round?


The A1.

Bajireyn wrote:Hey, guys, would it possible to fire CTA rounds with an AK action?


In theory, yes. It's a bit of a waste, though.
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Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:01 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Try carrying eight 7.62 magazines when they weight 1.5 pounds each.

You can carry 12 5.56 magazines. 360 > 160

pls lrn 2 army


Use Caseless. Or that Nifty Backpack i saw somewhere. AT least if your using Varmit rounds use JHP If not full HP if your fighting known unarmored opponents.

Ironman generally only works with belt feds...
Unreachable.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:03 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Try carrying eight 7.62 magazines when they weight 1.5 pounds each.

You can carry 12 5.56 magazines. 360 > 160

pls lrn 2 army


Use Caseless. Or that Nifty Backpack i saw somewhere. AT least if your using Varmit rounds use JHP If not full HP if your fighting known unarmored opponents.


Because replacing millions of 5.56 rounds with caseless in a few years is possible.
What will a backpack do? Only take away space you need for supplies
JHP and HP are bad for a modern military. Ball is srs best because HP and JHP have issues with accuracy and range. Also if you hit a civie, their changes of living just went from moderate to fuck no.

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Postby Nua Corda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:03 pm

Bajireyn wrote:Hey, guys, would it possible to fire CTA rounds with an AK action?


Nyet.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:05 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Bajireyn wrote:Hey, guys, would it possible to fire CTA rounds with an AK action?


Nyet.


It's theoretically possible, just not a good idea.
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Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


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Postby Lolzieristan » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:06 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Use Caseless. Or that Nifty Backpack i saw somewhere. AT least if your using Varmit rounds use JHP If not full HP if your fighting known unarmored opponents.


Because replacing millions of 5.56 rounds with caseless in a few years is possible.
What will a backpack do? Only take away space you need for supplies
JHP and HP are bad for a modern military. Ball is srs best because HP and JHP have issues with accuracy and range. Also if you hit a civie, their changes of living just went from moderate to fuck no.

San-Silvacian wrote:pls lrn 2 army


*shifty eyes*

*slips balaclava on civvie's head, pulls PM out of patrol pack, wipes grip, places in hand.*

Combatant!

So much easier to justify a dead civvie than a civvie with a bullet in his leg.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:07 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
Use Caseless. Or that Nifty Backpack i saw somewhere. AT least if your using Varmit rounds use JHP If not full HP if your fighting known unarmored opponents.


Because replacing millions of 5.56 rounds with caseless in a few years is possible.
What will a backpack do? Only take away space you need for supplies
JHP and HP are bad for a modern military. Ball is srs best because HP and JHP have issues with accuracy and range. Also if you hit a civie, their changes of living just went from moderate to fuck no.

San-Silvacian wrote:pls lrn 2 army


If you hit an enemy combatent with said rounds their chances of living went from moderate to fuck no. I'd say it's an acceptable trade.
Not possible. The Armed forces moves to slow for that.
Give you quite a bunch of ammo to 1 person, Have another carry the suplise.
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Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
Yes, I Am infact Biop.


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Postby Nua Corda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:07 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
Nyet.


It's theoretically possible, just not a good idea.


Maybe if you used metal rims.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:08 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
It's theoretically possible, just not a good idea.


Maybe if you used metal rims.


Exactly.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:09 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Because replacing millions of 5.56 rounds with caseless in a few years is possible.
What will a backpack do? Only take away space you need for supplies
JHP and HP are bad for a modern military. Ball is srs best because HP and JHP have issues with accuracy and range. Also if you hit a civie, their changes of living just went from moderate to fuck no.



If you hit an enemy combatent with said rounds their chances of living went from moderate to fuck no. I'd say it's an acceptable trade.
Not possible. The Armed forces moves to slow for that.
Give you quite a bunch of ammo to 1 person, Have another carry the suplise.

Biop just stop.
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Postby Nua Corda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:11 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
Maybe if you used metal rims.


Exactly.


At that point it's just really small shotgun slugs though.
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Postby Black Hand » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:31 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
If you hit an enemy combatent with said rounds their chances of living went from moderate to fuck no. I'd say it's an acceptable trade.
Not possible. The Armed forces moves to slow for that.
Give you quite a bunch of ammo to 1 person, Have another carry the suplise.

Biop just stop.

Though he does have one valid point advocating less effective/powerful weapons on the theory that if you hit a civilian they have no chance of survival is Not a valid one. Civvies don't survive 2000 lb bombs very well either USAF solution 500 lb bombs that Still kill civvies just less of them. A weapon is is Designed to kill people it is a poor and cruel weapon that is designed only to wound.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:40 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Exactly.


At that point it's just really small shotgun slugs though.


In the same way that the LSAT fires tiny shotgun slugs, yes.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:51 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Try carrying eight 7.62 magazines when they weight 1.5 pounds each.

You can carry 12 5.56 magazines. 360 > 160

pls lrn 2 army


Use Caseless. Or that Nifty Backpack i saw somewhere. AT least if your using Varmit rounds use JHP If not full HP if your fighting known unarmored opponents.

What can't be solved by bullet is usually solved by !airstrike.

Your argument is invalid.

What, in reference to the re-adoption of the 7.62?

I can see where the mistake might have come from, since I heard it from a friend who's not...as crazy as us in terms of this stuff. He could have read something about the SCAR, thought "SCAR-H" instead of "SCAR-L", and told me 7.62.

But I can also see how it might be a side effect of the "preparing for the previous war" syndrome in military R&D. Afghanistan has much longer engagement ranges than the >300yds of conventional wisdom. Thus the M14 and it's children are re-emerging on the field.

But I doubt another switch will occur, unless it's to something drastic like caseless.

The .308 was never really dropped.
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What?
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Postby San-Silvacian » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:26 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Because replacing millions of 5.56 rounds with caseless in a few years is possible.
What will a backpack do? Only take away space you need for supplies
JHP and HP are bad for a modern military. Ball is srs best because HP and JHP have issues with accuracy and range. Also if you hit a civie, their changes of living just went from moderate to fuck no.



If you hit an enemy combatent with said rounds their chances of living went from moderate to fuck no. I'd say it's an acceptable trade.
Not possible. The Armed forces moves to slow for that.
Give you quite a bunch of ammo to 1 person, Have another carry the suplise.


The trolling.

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Lolzieristan wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Because replacing millions of 5.56 rounds with caseless in a few years is possible.
What will a backpack do? Only take away space you need for supplies
JHP and HP are bad for a modern military. Ball is srs best because HP and JHP have issues with accuracy and range. Also if you hit a civie, their changes of living just went from moderate to fuck no.



*shifty eyes*

*slips balaclava on civvie's head, pulls PM out of patrol pack, wipes grip, places in hand.*

Combatant!

So much easier to justify a dead civvie than a civvie with a bullet in his leg.


If I see anybody with a PMM that isn't willing to let me fire it is going to get shot.

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Though he does have one valid point advocating less effective/powerful weapons on the theory that if you hit a civilian they have no chance of survival is Not a valid one. Civvies don't survive 2000 lb bombs very well either USAF solution 500 lb bombs that Still kill civvies just less of them. A weapon is is Designed to kill people it is a poor and cruel weapon that is designed only to wound.


However if you just go around killing everything you see then you destroy the purpose of guided munitions. Guided munitions were made so you could limit the amount of civilian losses, use less money instead of having to drop 200000000 bombs and 100000 B-17s to take out one factory district were now all we need is 20 F-15Es and have them loaded with 500 and 2000lb JDAMs and you can wreck not only the factory district but the near-by powerplant, ammunition factory and collection of military vehicles like tanks and APCs.

Also the USAF's solution to limiting civie losses wasn't derp 500 lb. The 500lb bomb is, currently the do-all, kill-all of any modern air force. The 2000lb bombs are typically used for large formations of enemy units or hardened shelters.

I have a funny story about a 500lb JDAM and a Taliban on a scooter.

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Looked it up.

Looks like normal animu ecchi military stuff.
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