Main Military Weapon of your Country: Pattern VIII (Read OP)

[Purpelia]

Anyone have any questions I might be able to answer in my post?

What is the best helmet to base a modern Pickelhaube off? And what is the best material to use for the spike from both a functional and a cosmetic perspective. (can't break easily, must not be heavy, can't be glossy etc)

[United Republics of Aralon]

someone lemme know if this is complete bunk;

New ambi ejection system for bullpups: Hooded cheek rest covers the ejection port, with a tube inside. Cartridge is ejected to the side, into the tube. As the bolt returns, a lug on the side pushes the cartridge out the front of the tube. Cartridge is ejected forward and out, just above the trigger hand.

Thinking being that this would make for a simple mid-eject system.

It works.I saw a youtube animation of a rifle like that, but I can't remember the title of it. That one had a full length tube reaching towards the front end of the receiver though.

[Paddy O Fernature]

2+3+4 sounds absolutely redundant and heavy.

Think I'll stick to my Multi hit, Stand Alone, LvL 4 BA.

(No, not Esapi)

As for claims of it being "Stab" proof, I very much doubt this claim unless it's a pure steel/metal insert (AR500). Standard Kevlar plates offer just about zero protection from sharp objects such as knives. This is why you have stab vest, and bullet resistant vests, not one in the same.

Having said that, interesting read up. It's been several years since my last Russian Threat brief, nice to see what has and hasn't really changed.

Its pretty damned heavy, but not for what it is. 10.2kg
The stab proof bit is actually do to a stab vest integral with certain variations of the armor itself. I believe its a 2mm plate or so

Ok that clears things up, seeing as it's an insert and not the general package itself that makes it stab resistant.

As for weight, my front and back plate (10x12) come in at 6.7 lbs (3kg if my math is correct on all kg conversions) each... so roughly 14lbs (6kg)
Side plates (6x6) at 2lbs (1kg) each.... so roughly 4lbs (2kg)...
I refuse to wear deltoid protection, as it's in my eyes worthless.

Total Weight Of Armor: 18lbs, or 8Kg.
Weight of my particular plate carrier unloaded: Roughly 2lbs (1 Kg)

These are with what are called Hybrid plates. Not as heavy as Ar500, but still heavier then pure ceramic. However, they will take multiple hits from small arms and keep on trucking without working in conjunction of other ballistic panels (9mm for example). In my eyes, best bang for your $$$ on the market today.

[Veceria]

someone lemme know if this is complete bunk;

New ambi ejection system for bullpups: Hooded cheek rest covers the ejection port, with a tube inside. Cartridge is ejected to the side, into the tube. As the bolt returns, a lug on the side pushes the cartridge out the front of the tube. Cartridge is ejected forward and out, just above the trigger hand.

Thinking being that this would make for a simple mid-eject system.

It works.I saw a youtube animation of a rifle like that, but I can't remember the title of it. That one had a full length tube reaching towards the front end of the receiver though.

FN F2000?

[Black Hand]

someone lemme know if this is complete bunk;

New ambi ejection system for bullpups: Hooded cheek rest covers the ejection port, with a tube inside. Cartridge is ejected to the side, into the tube. As the bolt returns, a lug on the side pushes the cartridge out the front of the tube. Cartridge is ejected forward and out, just above the trigger hand.

Thinking being that this would make for a simple mid-eject system.

Too complex, too hard to manufacture resulting in a massive increase price of the system.

Also not especially ambi, or its it is just above the hand, meaning hot brass can still hit the shooter due to bulpup lay out.

Sadly the only system that makes that much sense is the F2000 but it's unreliable. The P90 uses a system that drops casings out the bottom... towards your feet. a reversible bolt system A la FAMAS, and PDR can eject from either side which makes it much better and there really is no better way as of yet (except caseless or polymer).

[Nua Corda]

someone lemme know if this is complete bunk;

New ambi ejection system for bullpups: Hooded cheek rest covers the ejection port, with a tube inside. Cartridge is ejected to the side, into the tube. As the bolt returns, a lug on the side pushes the cartridge out the front of the tube. Cartridge is ejected forward and out, just above the trigger hand.

Thinking being that this would make for a simple mid-eject system.

Too complex, too hard to manufacture resulting in a massive increase price of the system.

Also not especially ambi, or its it is just above the hand, meaning hot brass can still hit the shooter due to bulpup lay out.

I don't think adding a single aluminum tube and a lug on the bolt where the charging handle would normally be is very complex or expensive. It's pretty elementary compared to every other mid or forward eject system I've seen.

The MagPul PDR ejects at roughly the same location, and is supposed to be very ambidextrous and easy to use in close quarters.

someone lemme know if this is complete bunk;

New ambi ejection system for bullpups: Hooded cheek rest covers the ejection port, with a tube inside. Cartridge is ejected to the side, into the tube. As the bolt returns, a lug on the side pushes the cartridge out the front of the tube. Cartridge is ejected forward and out, just above the trigger hand.

Thinking being that this would make for a simple mid-eject system.

It works.I saw a youtube animation of a rifle like that, but I can't remember the title of it. That one had a full length tube reaching towards the front end of the receiver though.

Probably F2000 or RFB. Those are much more complex systems than this.

[Elan Valleys]

Anyone have any questions I might be able to answer in my post?

What is the best helmet to base a modern Pickelhaube off? And what is the best material to use for the spike from both a functional and a cosmetic perspective. (can't break easily, must not be heavy, can't be glossy etc)

Regardless of protection level, a spiked helmet will:

A) Get in the way when not wearing it and be a pain to store
B) Get caught on stuff when wearing it
C) 'What's that pointy thing bobbing along above that hedgerow?'
D) Add unnecessary weight

[Nua Corda]

What is the best helmet to base a modern Pickelhaube off? And what is the best material to use for the spike from both a functional and a cosmetic perspective. (can't break easily, must not be heavy, can't be glossy etc)

Regardless of protection level, a spiked helmet will:

A) Get in the way when not wearing it and be a pain to store
B) Get caught on stuff when wearing it
C) 'What's that pointy thing bobbing along above that hedgerow?'
D) Add unnecessary weight

And looks dumb, imo.

Brodie helmet best helmet.

[Sevvania]

I found this the other day:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kbsp_wz._1938M
I've been searching for an action that would fit my service rifle's current design (since I have the gas tube under the barrel, but I have no operating rod). It says the KBSP wz. 1938M uses a tilt-lock mechanism. What is this, exactly, and what are its benefits and disadvantages?

[Purpelia]

Regardless of protection level, a spiked helmet will:

A) Get in the way when not wearing it and be a pain to store

That's what detachable spikes are for. If Germany could make those back in 1915 so can I today.

B) Get caught on stuff when wearing it

I am actually counting on exploiting that. My spikes won't be as insanely big as those on WW1 helmets, more like this. And I want my troops to among other things exploit them to hang up cammo. That one is probably no more than one and a half of your inches.

C) 'What's that pointy thing bobbing along above that hedgerow?'

As said, it will be small and painted mat. And used to hang up helmet cammo.

D) Add unnecessary weight

I'll probably make them out of synthetic materials to reduce that.


Also, helmet spikes are an insanely important part of my nations military tradition. So there is no way in hell my army could get rid of them and not face a full on revolt.

[Nua Corda]

I found this the other day:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kbsp_wz._1938M
I've been searching for an action that would fit my service rifle's current design (since I have the gas tube under the barrel, but I have no operating rod). It says the KBSP wz. 1938M uses a tilt-lock mechanism. What is this, exactly, and what are its benefits and disadvantages?

in tilt locking, the bolt is in two parts; one drops into a slot in the lower, locking it in place, and the other is attached to the piston and lifts the bottom section out of the slot and back to cycle the action. It's what the FAL uses.

Tilting bolts require a heavy, milled receiver, and can develop headspaceing issues with prolonged use. They are, however, slightly easier to manufacture.

Rotating bolts are more accurate, generally, can use a stamped or lightweight receiver, and lock more securely. They are more complex, and harder to manufacture though.

Regardless of protection level, a spiked helmet will:

A) Get in the way when not wearing it and be a pain to store

That's what detachable spikes are for. If Germany could make those back in 1915 so can I today.

B) Get caught on stuff when wearing it

I am actually counting on exploiting that. My spikes won't be as insanely big as those on WW1 helmets, more like this. And I want my troops to among other things exploit them to hang up cammo. That one is probably no more than one and a half of your inches.

C) 'What's that pointy thing bobbing along above that hedgerow?'

As said, it will be small and painted mat. And used to hang up helmet cammo.

D) Add unnecessary weight

I'll probably make them out of synthetic materials to reduce that.


Also, helmet spikes are an insanely important part of my nations military tradition. So there is no way in hell my army could get rid of them and not face a full on revolt.

Your typical human solider will take practical over traditional.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Regardless of protection level, a spiked helmet will:

A) Get in the way when not wearing it and be a pain to store
B) Get caught on stuff when wearing it
C) 'What's that pointy thing bobbing along above that hedgerow?'
D) Add unnecessary weight

And looks dumb, imo.

Brodie helmet best helmet.

WWI/WWII Stahlhelm guys, c'mon. Most modern kevlar helmets are the grand kids of the stahlhelm.

[Purpelia]

Your typical human solider will take practical over traditional.

Say that to all the religious, conservative or just tradition liking people on earth.

[Nua Corda]

And looks dumb, imo.

Brodie helmet best helmet.

WWI/WWII Stahlhelm guys, c'mon. Most modern kevlar helmets are the grand kids of the stahlhelm.

Too much Nazi, not enough SMLE.

[Nua Corda]

Your typical human solider will take practical over traditional.

Say that to all the religious, conservative or just tradition liking people on earth.

Those folks are not being impeded in war fighting by their beliefs, or else are just crazy.

[Purpelia]

Say that to all the religious, conservative or just tradition liking people on earth.

Those folks are not being impeded in war fighting by their beliefs, or else are just crazy.

Last time I looked around most of the earth is indeed populated by crazy and stupid people. And seriously, a detachable ~30-40mm plastic spike that you put on your helmet is not exactly going to kill you.

[Ulfr-Reich]

WWI/WWII Stahlhelm guys, c'mon. Most modern kevlar helmets are the grand kids of the stahlhelm.

Too much Nazi, not enough SMLE.

Now-now mate, mostly WWI Stahlhelm for Ulfran helmet influence, well, that and Norse Varg, spangen and spectacled-plate helmets anyway.

[Nua Corda]

Those folks are not being impeded in war fighting by their beliefs, or else are just crazy.

Last time I looked around most of the earth is indeed populated by crazy and stupid people.

It's really not. Crazy people are just more vocal.

Too much Nazi, not enough SMLE.

Now-now mate, mostly WWI Stahlhelm for Ulfran helmet influence, well, that and Norse Varg, spangen and spectacled-plate helmets anyway.

Is still lacking in sufficient Britishness.

Brodie Helmets were worn by the glorious soliders who beat Mussolini and Hitler. All the Stahlhelm ever did was become a symbol of the SS.

[Gawdzendia]

WWI/WWII Stahlhelm guys, c'mon. Most modern kevlar helmets are the grand kids of the stahlhelm.

Too much Nazi, not enough SMLE.

Brodie helmet is best helmet.

...I'm a huge fan of the Kettle Helm as well (for no obvious discernible reason).

Also, while looking for suitable Brodie-ness on Google, I stumbled on a picture of this thing.



The plate (and URL) claim it to be some sort of Lewis Gun, but not one I've ever seen before. The mount it sits on, if anything, makes me think aircraft gun, or possibly a naval variant.

[Purpelia]

It's really not. Crazy people are just more vocal.

And more likely to join an organization that recruits based on jingoism and the notion of going out there and sticking the barbarian good. Remember, Purpelian mentality is roughly based on of the Victorian age.

[Elan Valleys]

And looks dumb, imo.

Brodie helmet best helmet.

WWI/WWII Stahlhelm guys, c'mon. Most modern kevlar helmets are the grand kids of the stahlhelm.

Battle Bowler says wut

[Purpelia]

Why are modern helmets so ugly anyway? They look like someone took a helmet and put it in a plastic bag filled with rags and than sprayed paint on top.

[Gawdzendia]

WWI/WWII Stahlhelm guys, c'mon. Most modern kevlar helmets are the grand kids of the stahlhelm.

Battle Bowler says wut

I love how the guy right behind him is wearing a Stahlhelm descendant.

[United Republics of Aralon]

It works.I saw a youtube animation of a rifle like that, but I can't remember the title of it. That one had a full length tube reaching towards the front end of the receiver though.

FN F2000?

No some conceptual stuff this had the tube on one side.
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http://hugelol.org/lol/96379
Some 1910 ?diesel punk? bottom one is of military interest.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Why are modern helmets so ugly anyway? They look like someone took a helmet and put it in a plastic bag filled with rags and than sprayed paint on top.

Yeah, cause soldiers care if the thing protecting their head from shrapnel got good remarks on the runway or not.