Main Military Weapon of your Country: Pattern VIII (Read OP)

[The Republic of Lanos]

And gets details wrong about them.

[Spreewerke]

And gets details wrong about them.

Set ALL! the AR-derivative selector switches to semi-auto!

[The Republic of Lanos]

And gets details wrong about them.

Set ALL! the AR-derivative selector switches to semi-auto!

EVEN IF THEY ALL FIRE FULL AUTO.

[Spreewerke]

Set ALL! the AR-derivative selector switches to semi-auto!

EVEN IF THEY ALL FIRE FULL AUTO.

At least they had their shit together for the best game ever, Call of Duty: United Offensive.

Sidenote: the pistols really sucked on that game. Bad. Made you really regret having to use one.

[Ulfr-Reich]

I finally developed what my nation can call an "HMG" cartridge.

The round:

With other nations in Ulfheim pursuing heavy machine gun technologies using ammunition designed to rip planes out of the sky, split ships and turn tanks to pieces of flaming scrap metal, the Ulfranes Haer Quartermasters Guild stepped up to the plate and accepted the challenge head-on. Within months, a 16.5mm shell was being rolled off the production line, offering both a terrifying amount of punch via a tungsten-vanadium penetrator with a 1 1/2 pound high explosive charge laced with phosphorous. Following that is a smaller secondary charge of thermite. when used on defensive guns in naval situations, it is actually quite possible to melt a ship into sinking, as was done on the USS Jefferson battleship during a slight scuffle on formerly Third-Reich territory in antarctica during the end of the second-world-war. To say the least the round has proven it's worth, many Haersmann have been asking to have a troop-portable HMG made available for normal deployment due to the rounds serious effect against modern armor and infantry-formations/armored-hardpoints, and with Ulfran physiology being what it is, such a thing is entirely plausible.

[Aqizithiuda]

I finally developed what my nation can call an "HMG" cartridge.

The round:

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With other nations in Ulfheim pursuing heavy machine gun technologies using ammunition designed to rip planes out of the sky, split ships and turn tanks to pieces of flaming scrap metal, the Ulfranes Haer Quartermasters Guild stepped up to the plate and accepted the challenge head-on. Within months, a 16.5mm shell was being rolled off the production line, offering both a terrifying amount of punch via a tungsten-vanadium penetrator with a 1 1/2 pound high explosive charge laced with phosphorous. Following that is a smaller secondary charge of thermite. when used on defensive guns in naval situations, it is actually quite possible to melt a ship into sinking, as was done on the USS Jefferson battleship during a slight scuffle on formerly Third-Reich territory in antarctica during the end of the second-world-war. To say the least the round has proven it's worth, many Haersmann have been asking to have a troop-portable HMG made available for normal deployment due to the rounds serious effect against modern armor and infantry-formations/armored-hardpoints, and with Ulfran physiology being what it is, such a thing is entirely plausible.

I don't think you could get a pound and a half of anything into a 16.5mm shell.

[Ulfr-Reich]

I don't think you could get a pound and a half of anything into a 16.5mm shell.

You may very-well have a point, any advice on how to "trim-it-down" to an acceptable and realistic quantity?

[The Akasha Colony]

I finally developed what my nation can call an "HMG" cartridge.

The round:

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With other nations in Ulfheim pursuing heavy machine gun technologies using ammunition designed to rip planes out of the sky, split ships and turn tanks to pieces of flaming scrap metal, the Ulfranes Haer Quartermasters Guild stepped up to the plate and accepted the challenge head-on. Within months, a 16.5mm shell was being rolled off the production line, offering both a terrifying amount of punch via a tungsten-vanadium penetrator with a 1 1/2 pound high explosive charge laced with phosphorous. Following that is a smaller secondary charge of thermite. when used on defensive guns in naval situations, it is actually quite possible to melt a ship into sinking, as was done on the USS Jefferson battleship during a slight scuffle on formerly Third-Reich territory in antarctica during the end of the second-world-war. To say the least the round has proven it's worth, many Haersmann have been asking to have a troop-portable HMG made available for normal deployment due to the rounds serious effect against modern armor and infantry-formations/armored-hardpoints, and with Ulfran physiology being what it is, such a thing is entirely plausible.

I don't think you could get a pound and a half of anything into a 16.5mm shell.

That was the part you found most egregious? Not the part where it is claimed to have sunk a battleship? Or the thermite part?

[Ulfr-Reich]

That was the part you found most egregious? Not the part where it is claimed to have sunk a battleship? Or the thermite part?

Not a singular shell, multiple gun-turrets firing crap tonnes of the munition from multiple other vessels.


I posted this whole thing here so you guys could help me edit the SHITE out of it.

[The Akasha Colony]

That was the part you found most egregious? Not the part where it is claimed to have sunk a battleship? Or the thermite part?

Not a singular shell, multiple gun-turrets firing crap tonnes of the munition from multiple other vessels.


I posted this whole thing here so you guys could help me edit the SHITE out of it.

1. Thermite doesn't work that way. You won't be 'melting' anything by arming your rounds with it, it simply doesn't act that quickly. Thermite's good for delicate work, destroying delicate components of a machine where a minor deformation is enough to render it useless rather than complete destruction. It also has reduced collateral damage relative to a conventional explosive, so it can be used in tight spaces and covert operations. It does not make bullets magically able to penetrate any type of armor, otherwise these bullets would be standard issue today to every military worldwide.

2. A piddly HMG isn't going to do squat to a battleship even if it could penetrate the 1+ ft thick belt armor. Battleships are hard to sink, they're designed to take multiple hits from other large guns with explosive shells and keep fighting. Hits above the waterline won't affect the ship's buoyancy and won't sink it. Hits below the waterline first have to get through the water itself and then through the armored belt, usually the thickest part of a ship's armor since it protects the ship's vital systems. Even a fancy tungsten-vanadium penetrator isn't going to cut it in that situation, and even if it did, the tiny hole it would create would be something damage control teams wouldn't even need to bother with. They could just leave it to the bilge pumps to deal with.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Not a singular shell, multiple gun-turrets firing crap tonnes of the munition from multiple other vessels.


I posted this whole thing here so you guys could help me edit the SHITE out of it.

1. Thermite doesn't work that way. You won't be 'melting' anything by arming your rounds with it, it simply doesn't act that quickly. Thermite's good for delicate work, destroying delicate components of a machine where a minor deformation is enough to render it useless rather than complete destruction. It also has reduced collateral damage relative to a conventional explosive, so it can be used in tight spaces and covert operations. It does not make bullets magically able to penetrate any type of armor, otherwise these bullets would be standard issue today to every military worldwide.

2. A piddly HMG isn't going to do squat to a battleship even if it could penetrate the 1+ ft thick belt armor. Battleships are hard to sink, they're designed to take multiple hits from other large guns with explosive shells and keep fighting. Hits above the waterline won't affect the ship's buoyancy and won't sink it. Hits below the waterline first have to get through the water itself and then through the armored belt, usually the thickest part of a ship's armor since it protects the ship's vital systems. Even a fancy tungsten-vanadium penetrator isn't going to cut it in that situation, and even if it did, the tiny hole it would create would be something damage control teams wouldn't even need to bother with. They could just leave it to the bilge pumps to deal with.

Indeed. Thanks for the actually helpful info. I'll re-do everything via a nifty little fact-page or three I recently found in regard to large caliber ammunition. Once again, thanks.

[Skallen]

Only got a drawing of it, but here's Skallen's primary armament. Name is something like GARif-99.

[Ulfr-Reich]

I fixed the stats and seriously toned things down. Akasha Colony, dude, ye' pointed me in the right direction via the whole "slap on wrist" followed by the words "that's just plain silly".


Fixed stats:

With other nations in Ulfheim pursuing heavy machine gun technologies using ammunition designed to rip planes out of the sky, split ships and turn tanks to pieces of flaming scrap metal, the Ulfranes Haer Quartermasters Guild stepped up to the plate and accepted the challenge head-on. Within months, a 16.5mm shell was being rolled off the production line, offering both a terrifying amount of punch via a tungsten-vanadium penetrator with an adequately sized and practical shaped-charge. It proved it's worth during a mild altercation with US military forces in Neuschwabenland for cleanup operations during the tail-end of the Second World War.

[Aqizithiuda]

I don't think you could get a pound and a half of anything into a 16.5mm shell.

You may very-well have a point, any advice on how to "trim-it-down" to an acceptable and realistic quantity?

The .661 Vickers had a bursting charge of around 5 grams of HE. If you use a longer bullet, you might be able to get up to 8 grams, but 5-6 is probably the limit for a round your size.

Only got a drawing of it, but here's Skallen's primary armament. Name is something like GARif-99.

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That's not a bad looking rifle.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Guys, I'm onto my thirteenth cup of Earl Grey in the past our an' a half. (and yes, I'm using a kettle)

[Anemos Major]

Guys, I'm onto my thirteenth cup of Earl Grey in the past our an' a half. (and yes, I'm using a kettle)

Lapsang Souchong is where you want to be with your tea. Not a personal opinion, just a universal truth.

As far as your HMG is concerned, your development teams are going to find it kinda difficult to make weapons capable of knocking out tanks; though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Few things to note:

HMG =/= an anti-armour weapon. That's one role it can fulfil, but by and large the HMG is designed for use with and against a wide number of assets, so consider your round's flexibility in that light. Don't restrict the round type to a penetrator for one - things like HEIAP are equally useful and cost-beneficial in their own right. And don't forget to consider things like propellant and weight; if it's a WWII-vintage (chronologically, not going to say anything about NS canon here) weapon, then you'll want to consider how the round has developed over time and the weapons that actually fire it.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

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whatisthisidonteven

Remember, kids: don't smoke crack.

Smoking crack's fine.
It's selling it that leads to this lunacy.

We established that the AK74u (as it appears in CoD) is fake, but the AKS-74U is a very real gun.

and, in Blcak Ops, appears in 1968, I believe. Fake gun from the fuuuuutruuuuuure!

They also somehow have a Hind-A in 1968 (given to the Vietcong, no less). And, for unknown reasons, a China Lake randomly laying about in a Marine firebase in Khe Sanh.

Guys, I'm onto my thirteenth cup of Earl Grey in the past our an' a half. (and yes, I'm using a kettle)

Lapsang Souchong is where you want to be with your tea. Not a personal opinion, just a universal truth.

As far as your HMG is concerned, your development teams are going to find it kinda difficult to make weapons capable of knocking out tanks; though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Few things to note:

HMG =/= an anti-armour weapon. That's one role it can fulfil, but by and large the HMG is designed for use with and against a wide number of assets, so consider your round's flexibility in that light. Don't restrict the round type to a penetrator for one - things like HEIAP are equally useful and cost-beneficial in their own right. And don't forget to consider things like propellant and weight; if it's a WWII-vintage (chronologically, not going to say anything about NS canon here) weapon, then you'll want to consider how the round has developed over time and the weapons that actually fire it.

It isn't an anti-armour weapon today. But that was how the M2 was envisaged back in 1921, when tank armour was getting into crazy realms when it was reaching 12-15mm thickness.
Tank armour quickly eclipsed the capabilities of the .50 cartridge (leading the Russians to develop the 14.5mm cartridge we all know and love), and it was relegated to medium air defence and heavy anti-personnel, a role it retains to this day.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Guys, I'm onto my thirteenth cup of Earl Grey in the past our an' a half. (and yes, I'm using a kettle)

Lapsang Souchong is where you want to be with your tea. Not a personal opinion, just a universal truth.

As far as your HMG is concerned, your development teams are going to find it kinda difficult to make weapons capable of knocking out tanks; though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Few things to note:

HMG =/= an anti-armour weapon. That's one role it can fulfil, but by and large the HMG is designed for use with and against a wide number of assets, so consider your round's flexibility in that light. Don't restrict the round type to a penetrator for one - things like HEIAP are equally useful and cost-beneficial in their own right. And don't forget to consider things like propellant and weight; if it's a WWII-vintage (chronologically, not going to say anything about NS canon here) weapon, then you'll want to consider how the round has developed over time and the weapons that actually fire it.

I was thinking of a DshK type of HMG or something of the sort (Robinson possibly?). Besides, if it were to be used on a tank, aiming for the treads would be the most likely option, immobilize it while a guy with a recoilless rifle blasts a hole in it.

But yes though, thank you for the input, I'll keep polishing it up.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Has anyone else's game-side of NS completely died and been replaced with error messages they've never seen before, about octopi forwarding server requests and failing at it?

[Ulfr-Reich]

Has anyone else's game-side of NS completely died and been replaced with error messages they've never seen before, about octopi forwarding server requests and failing at it?

Yeah, it's happening to me as well, what the Hel is going on?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

There is a thread about it in Technical, though no word yet on the cause.

[Registug]

Just game-side crashing again, like it usually does.

[Anemos Major]

It isn't an anti-armour weapon today. But that was how the M2 was envisaged back in 1921, when tank armour was getting into crazy realms when it was reaching 12-15mm thickness.
Tank armour quickly eclipsed the capabilities of the .50 cartridge (leading the Russians to develop the 14.5mm cartridge we all know and love), and it was relegated to medium air defence and heavy anti-personnel, a role it retains to this day.

though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Got that covered

Not so much medium air defence though (note that most aircraft intended for ground attack roles perform those missions at either stand-off distances or at speeds too high for HMG-area weapons, and those that don't tend to be fairly well armoured against them a la the AH-64 - though you will get unarmoured helicopters performing ground attack roles, that's something most militaries would want to shy away from if they can help it).

[Immoren]

The M1701 Pattern Musket
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I'll drink to this.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It isn't an anti-armour weapon today. But that was how the M2 was envisaged back in 1921, when tank armour was getting into crazy realms when it was reaching 12-15mm thickness.
Tank armour quickly eclipsed the capabilities of the .50 cartridge (leading the Russians to develop the 14.5mm cartridge we all know and love), and it was relegated to medium air defence and heavy anti-personnel, a role it retains to this day.

though it's true that the HMG's original purpose was to engage armoured vehicles, in this day and age you'll be well into cannon range calibres before you can scratch a properly armed AFV.

Got that covered

Not so much medium air defence though (note that most aircraft intended for ground attack roles perform those missions at either stand-off distances or at speeds too high for HMG-area weapons, and those that don't tend to be fairly well armoured against them a la the AH-64 - though you will get unarmoured helicopters performing ground attack roles, that's something most militaries would want to shy away from if they can help it).

DAMN
While you're here, Anemos, do you know much about Crotale? Capabilities, where it would be well used?
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It didn't seem to have been widely exported, though had been offered for heavy air defence vehicles to the US.