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Who will OP MMW Number 9?

Nua Corda
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Kouralia
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Spreewerke
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Coltarin
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Aqizithiuda
26
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Puzikas
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Postby Puzikas » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:51 am

Valburn wrote:Finally got some more work done on my flechette rifle, Any thoughts?


Is it dedicated?
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Postby Valburn » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:54 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Is this using something in line with the Steyr ACR or Springfield SPIW actions, perchance?


Why yes.
Edit: ARC style cam to be more precise.
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Postby Valburn » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:02 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Valburn wrote:Finally got some more work done on my flechette rifle, Any thoughts?


Is it dedicated?

As in for flechettes only? I have no idea whether the cam design that I'm using can fire convectional rounds.

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Postby Puzikas » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:21 pm

Valburn wrote:
Puzikas wrote:
Is it dedicated?

As in for flechettes only? I have no idea whether the cam design that I'm using can fire convectional rounds.


It would be better if you could, flechettes as a mainline round are..iffy.
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Postby Graznovia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:31 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Valburn wrote:As in for flechettes only? I have no idea whether the cam design that I'm using can fire convectional rounds.


It would be better if you could, flechettes as a mainline round are..iffy.


I'd believe flechettes while boasting flatter trajectories, superior penetrative capabilities, and lower recoil, are however of questionable lethality...

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Postby Roskraina » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:32 pm

Working on a new armed forces weapons list. Should be ready soon. If anyone is interested I will post it

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Postby Druzhina » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:34 pm

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Postby Ea90 » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:35 pm

Graznovia wrote:I'd believe flechettes while boasting flatter trajectories, superior penetrative capabilities, and lower recoil, are however of questionable lethality...

In addition to greatly increased cost and reduced barrier penetration and accuracy.

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Postby Graznovia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:41 pm

Ea90 wrote:
Graznovia wrote:I'd believe flechettes while boasting flatter trajectories, superior penetrative capabilities, and lower recoil, are however of questionable lethality...

In addition to greatly increased cost and reduced barrier penetration and accuracy.

:blink: Apparently totally forgot about barrier penetration, existing flechettes are optimized to penetrate body armor but are very well lacking when it comes to penetrating other objects...

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Postby Puzikas » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:47 pm

Ea90 wrote:
Graznovia wrote:I'd believe flechettes while boasting flatter trajectories, superior penetrative capabilities, and lower recoil, are however of questionable lethality...

In addition to greatly increased cost and reduced barrier penetration and accuracy.


Dont forget about barrel wear.

Really, the cons outweigh the pros. You can get similar performance on penetration from AP ammunition. Training a soldier (well) on a rifle that shoots both takes longer and is more expensive.
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Postby Graznovia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:53 pm

While we're it, brief off-topic but Puzikas is the Russian language name of my nation in my signature grammatical?

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Postby Veceria » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:58 pm

Graznovia wrote:While we're it, brief off-topic but Puzikas is the Russian language name of my nation in my signature grammatical?

"Грезнувиыа Федера́ция" would be enough.
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Postby Puzikas » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:03 pm

Graznovia wrote:While we're it, brief off-topic but Puzikas is the Russian language name of my nation in my signature grammatical?


see
Veceria wrote:
Graznovia wrote:While we're it, brief off-topic but Puzikas is the Russian language name of my nation in my signature grammatical?

"Грезнувиыа Федера́ция" would be enough.

as thats translated to native. "федерация" is best.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:12 pm

Valburn wrote:
Puzikas wrote:
Is it dedicated?

As in for flechettes only? I have no idea whether the cam design that I'm using can fire convectional rounds.


It can.
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Postby GMC Military Arms » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:24 pm

Graznovia wrote:I'd believe flechettes while boasting flatter trajectories, superior penetrative capabilities, and lower recoil, are however of questionable lethality...


Wasn't SPIW having issues with their flechettes doing ridiculous things like deflecting off leaves and raindrops?

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Postby Puzikas » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:29 pm

GMC Military Arms wrote:
Graznovia wrote:I'd believe flechettes while boasting flatter trajectories, superior penetrative capabilities, and lower recoil, are however of questionable lethality...


Wasn't SPIW having issues with their flechettes doing ridiculous things like deflecting off leaves and raindrops?


Outfit soldiers with wet foliage.
Soldiers are now unstoppable against flechettes.

If you have any source on that it would be greatly apreciated. I could use some laughs.
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Postby GMC Military Arms » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:43 pm

Puzikas wrote:If you have any source on that it would be greatly apreciated. I could use some laughs.


http://www.thegunzone.com/spiw.html

Pretty well-researched and mentions it. I believe it was largely because you can have all the KE you like but you're still a tiny dart with bugger all momentum.

Still, SPIW started the grand US tradition of every new rifle project leading to the adoption of a new grenade launcher (see also OICW and the XM25, XM8 and the M320).

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:01 pm

GMC Military Arms wrote:
Puzikas wrote:If you have any source on that it would be greatly apreciated. I could use some laughs.


http://www.thegunzone.com/spiw.html

Pretty well-researched and mentions it. I believe it was largely because you can have all the KE you like but you're still a tiny dart with bugger all momentum.

Still, SPIW started the grand US tradition of every new rifle project leading to the adoption of a new grenade launcher (see also OICW and the XM25, XM8 and the M320).


What GL came from the ACR project? :p
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Postby GMC Military Arms » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:05 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:What GL came from the ACR project? :p


The OICW upper module. Har can it be you were so defeated 8)

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:08 pm

GMC Military Arms wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:What GL came from the ACR project? :p


The OICW upper module. Har can it be you were so defeated 8)


Wasn't the OICW conceived after the failure of the project?
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Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


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Postby GMC Military Arms » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:10 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:Wasn't the OICW conceived after the failure of the project?


What happened was someone looked at Steyr's ACR and they were like, 'Yeah, that. But in 20mm. And put a normal gun on the handguard and make it weigh as much as a television set. No, we still want you to develop a bayonet for it, why wouldn't you want that? Can you develop a bayonet for the M2 while you're at it please?' and then they were eventually forced to go and work on something sensible.

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:12 pm

GMC Military Arms wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:Wasn't the OICW conceived after the failure of the project?


What happened was someone looked at Steyr's ACR and they were like, 'Yeah, that. But in 20mm. And put a normal gun on the handguard and make it weigh as much as a television set. No, we still want you to develop a bayonet for it, why wouldn't you want that? Can you develop a bayonet for the M2 while you're at it please?' and then they were eventually forced to go and work on something sensible.


:lol:

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:13 pm

This brings up an excellent point, why wouldn't you want - no, need - a bayonet on the OICW :lol:
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:19 pm

Good point. God knows its too heavy and big for use as a rifle or grenade launcher anyway. So why not put the weight and bulk to some use and make it into a club?
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Postby GMC Military Arms » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:21 pm

You see, now you've got me with the mental image of an M2 with a sword bayonet being held by two guys who are just running at people with it shouting "arrgh!"

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