Main Military Weapon of your Country: Pattern VIII (Read OP)

[Aqizithiuda]

AR-10 in 9x70mm for squad DMR y/y?

N

DMR's are not snipers and have no need for such a massive round.

Use your BR cartridge, I personally use .30-06.

I use 7mm SPAC for assault rifles and 9x70mm for MGs. 9x70mm is as close to a BR cartridge as it gets in Triggthiuda.

[Crookfur]

I've been away for a few days so i'm not sure if this bit of news got mentioned:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... pply-m4a1/


Now its hardly news that FN have been building M16s and M4s for ages now (both in the US and to a limited extent at the herstal plant in Sprout land) but what does appear to be new is that they are producing the majority of them although colt have just received a contract for a big bunch of M4 barrels/remanufacutring work.


it also shows how cheap M4s actually are if you buy them ina bulk, a mere $641 each...

[Veceria]

LOLWAT. XM8 is in fact in service it seems?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_ ... #Equipment
XM8 is under that list...

Not everything you read on wiki is true...

if in doubt look for comfirmation either from a linked source or if one doesn;t exist then a repudable soruce like janes.

The likelyhood of the XM8 showing up in a "real steel" form outside of the US or one of HK's archive rooms is slim to none due to various legal and licensing issues. I suspect someone has seen pcitures of a bunch of airsofters dressed up as the malaysian spec forces running around with XM8 AEGs and assumed that it was a legit picture.

Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened :/

[Puzikas]

I've been away for a few days so i'm not sure if this bit of news got mentioned:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... pply-m4a1/


Now its hardly news that FN have been building M16s and M4s for ages now (both in the US and to a limited extent at the herstal plant in Sprout land) but what does appear to be new is that they are producing the majority of them although colt have just received a contract for a big bunch of M4 barrels/remanufacutring work.


it also shows how cheap M4s actually are if you buy them ina bulk, a mere $641 each...

Thats way more than a new Avtomat... even the -12 and the -94.

[GMC Military Arms]

The likelyhood of the XM8 showing up in a "real steel" form outside of the US or one of HK's archive rooms is slim to none due to various legal and licensing issues. I suspect someone has seen pcitures of a bunch of airsofters dressed up as the malaysian spec forces running around with XM8 AEGs and assumed that it was a legit picture.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... n-Malaysia

Be pretty hard to fake it ejecting real brass like that.

[New Afilion]

Sig 550

[Registug]

The likelyhood of the XM8 showing up in a "real steel" form outside of the US or one of HK's archive rooms is slim to none due to various legal and licensing issues. I suspect someone has seen pcitures of a bunch of airsofters dressed up as the malaysian spec forces running around with XM8 AEGs and assumed that it was a legit picture.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... n-Malaysia

Be pretty hard to fake it ejecting real brass like that.

Someone in that thread called Malaysians Indonesians.

I'm here just to say fuck that. No Malay is going to think of such glory as the SS2 Pindad.


On another less nationalist note: if Samoz ever finishes his SA-ARs I'm going to consider them against the EF88s.

[The San Juan Islands]

The San Juan Dragoons have adopted the Gallager Breechloading Carbine
It uses brass cases loaded with ball & powder that are externally primed with a percussion musket cap

Due to the fact that the Dragoons use heavy gloves, the lack of a handguard is not an issue

[Puzikas]

The San Juan Dragoons have adopted the Gallager Breechloading Carbine
It uses brass cases loaded with ball & powder that are externally primed with a percussion musket cap

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Due to the fact that the Dragoons use heavy gloves, the lack of a handguard is not an issue

Thats pretty cool actually. RPing in the mid-late 1800s.

[Immoren]

AR-10 in 9x70mm for squad DMR y/y?

N

DMR's are not snipers and have no need for such a massive round.

Use your BR cartridge, I personally use .30-06.

I was going to mention seeing someone suggest Barrett .338 LM for DM/sharpshooter.
Then I remembered it was from g2mil.

The San Juan Dragoons have adopted the Gallager Breechloading Carbine
It uses brass cases loaded with ball & powder that are externally primed with a percussion musket cap

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Due to the fact that the Dragoons use heavy gloves, the lack of a handguard is not an issue

*thumbsup*

[The San Juan Islands]

The San Juan Dragoons have adopted the Gallager Breechloading Carbine
It uses brass cases loaded with ball & powder that are externally primed with a percussion musket cap

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Due to the fact that the Dragoons use heavy gloves, the lack of a handguard is not an issue

Thats pretty cool actually. RPing in the mid-late 1800s.

dont understand the fascination with all these polymer black rifles. steel and wood in your hands just feels better

[Samozaryadnyastan]

AK ammo is heavy ;_;

Especially if you use 150 gr bullets like me (apparently it improves the ballistics immensely.)

I've carried seven AK magazines on me before. It was a little heavy, but far from unmanagable. European Steel (save for the one ChiCom mag; it's Asian from Asia). Here I am, 5'11" standing straight, 130lbs., not really in that great of shape.



EDIT TO ADD: Also, give your troops as many magazines as they can carry. Spare ammunition is dropped in crates that have cardboard bandoliers inside of them. What's inside of those (at least for current US military)? Ten rounds per stripper clip, three stripper clips per cardboard box/bandolier. Feeding guide to load them into mags is provided in the ammo tin. Retain your magazines upon reloading whenever possible, reload magazines when ammo is dropped.

Wow, I really could just sit on you

AK ammo is heavy ;_;

Especially if you use 150 gr bullets like me (apparently it improves the ballistics immensely.)

AK ammo is heavy if your out of shape, maybe.
My PK gunner carried over 400 rounds of belted standard and Tracer, along with standard gear and never once did he complain.
Except for once. But it was hot. So excusable.

Full Russian...

The only difference between a GPMG and an LMG is how you use it, from my understanding. I think they're pretty much interchangeable terms.

Strictly it's medium machine gun and GPMG that are mostly interchangeable. The classic definitions are:

LMG: Designed for short bursts while mobile, firing from a bipod. Modern versions usually use intermediate rounds.

MMG: Designed for sustained fire while stationary, firing from a tripod and almost always using a belt feed. Generally the definition requires it use a full-size rifle round.

GPMG: Able to perform in either role, essentially a light MMG.

There's a few confusing ones like one of the QB-series which is classified as a GPMG even though it uses an intermediate round, or the PKP which I hear is deployed as an LMG (bipod only). Or those crap Japanese WW2 Hotchkiss clones which didn't have a belt feed, fired rifle bullets and were only classified as "heavy" because they somehow weighed as much as US 50 cals.

The trend's starting to reverse. GPMGs are actually beginning to replace LMGs. The weirder one would be the cancelled Minimi 7.62 development being revived because of Afghanistan.

M240/L7 are used increasingly in US and Commonwealth squads and platoons, and the Russians are looking to replace the RPK with the PKP.
I wholeheartedly approve of this doctrinal shift.

Then carry a 19lb gun.

He had really big arms. I then that were like 420mm.

Fecking Soviets

Spree...I could crush you man. I'm same height 205lbs.

Stop being bigger than me guys.

I'm 175cm and 48kilos...
5'9" and 100lbs.

Epic sads.


In other news, because another mod is here and I don't want to make a bad impression... uh...
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=regi ... ok/id=3946
This is alright for personal equipment, right? Ignoring the other WIP crap.

175cm is 5'9, wut
I was '175cm' for years, while at the same time being 5'11.
wut
ALL MY THINGS ARE WUT

Stop being bigger than me guys.

I'm 175cm and 48kilos...
5'9" and 100lbs.

Epic sads.


In other news, because another mod is here and I don't want to make a bad impression... uh...
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=regi ... ok/id=3946
This is alright for personal equipment, right? Ignoring the other WIP crap.

Holy shit. I thought I was a lightweight, but I've got twelve kilos on tou, despite being an inch and half shorter!

Equipment looks good to me. Bonus points for the SG30.

I seriously miss being 60kg.
Uni life is brutal on your fitness.

I was 182lbs (exactly 13st) at the doctor's three weeks ago. Getting reweighed on Friday. I'm 180cm/5'11 and have no upper body muscles or body stamina.
I presently have destroyed shoulders courtesy of indoor climbing, and a sprained left wrist courtesy of ice skating.

There are many unissued magazines you can purchase for the AK. They are like-new, unused surplus. That's what 3/4 of my magazines are. That's what a large portion of US-used AK magazines are. They never saw any military use, therefore, couldn't be "weeded out."


Mag Porn:

I'm too used to seeing pictures of your carpet, it looks like my bedroom's.

making it one of the worst weapons in history (next to the AK47)

moar of my wut
also to the MG comment.

The K2 is a heck of a lot simpler. Far less small parts to lose, too: that washer that holds the takedown pin in place on the AR-180 becomes a frisbee if you just poke it off of there. Nothing of that sorts on the 'Woo. Meanwhile, my father's pre-ban K2 has seen several thousands rounds from shit-surplus to Hornady V-Max to Federal Tracers and has never had a single malfunction of any kind whatsoever, even while using AR mags from the mid-1980s. Besides, you can customize a 'Woo more than an AR-180. You can get a spring-tension-held scope rail for an AR-180. You can get a quad-rail and, if post-ban, any style of stock you wish on a Daewoo. That, and it also has a wonderful, adjustable gas block valve to survive in any conditions.

The AR-18 is still lighter, and perfectly easy to maintain. And less recoil, because short-stroke.


I'm sorry, I can't hear you over this customized AR-18.

AR-18 is too cool to be subjected to tactilollery.

I've been away for a few days so i'm not sure if this bit of news got mentioned:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013 ... pply-m4a1/


Now its hardly news that FN have been building M16s and M4s for ages now (both in the US and to a limited extent at the herstal plant in Sprout land) but what does appear to be new is that they are producing the majority of them although colt have just received a contract for a big bunch of M4 barrels/remanufacutring work.


it also shows how cheap M4s actually are if you buy them ina bulk, a mere $641 each...

Thats way more than a new Avtomat... even the -12 and the -94.

A Nikita can't be canned for 'cost issues' when it's "significantly less" than the cost of an M4A1.
Was the Russian Military really that underfunded after the Wall fell?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... n-Malaysia

Be pretty hard to fake it ejecting real brass like that.

Someone in that thread called Malaysians Indonesians.

I'm here just to say fuck that. No Malay is going to think of such glory as the SS2 Pindad.


On another less nationalist note: if Samoz ever finishes his SA-ARs I'm going to consider them against the EF88s.

Any in particular?

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

Then carry a 19lb gun.

He had really big arms. I then that were like 420mm.

Is that a New York Reload taken Up To Eleven or a Leningrad Reload?

[Registug]

The Doberman of course.

The Rottweiler has just gone and disappeared into oblivion, and I don't feel like throwing away my bullpups in favour of the Pitbull, so of course it would be Doberman.

I have just now realised I have no shotguns either.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

What's wrong with the Rottweiler?
It's probably the second most-issued weapon in my entire military.

[Registug]

What's wrong with the Rottweiler?
It's probably the second most-issued weapon in my entire military.

You haven't worked on it at all since version 2!

At your pace it'll be the very last thing you'll update, and we'll probably see it around 2017.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

But Mod 2 is already close to the Mod 3 standards of the Doberman and Pitbull :<

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

The Doberman of course.

The Rottweiler has just gone and disappeared into oblivion, and I don't feel like throwing away my bullpups in favour of the Pitbull, so of course it would be Doberman.

I have just now realised I have no shotguns either.

Don't feel bad about it, IIRC combat shotguns are mainly a 'Murrican phenomenon.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

No, combat shotguns are actually awesome.

Admittedly, there's almost nothing critical that a combat shotgun needs to do that an 870 from Wal*Mart can't do.

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

No, combat shotguns are actually awesome.

Admittedly, there's almost nothing critical that a combat shotgun needs to do that an 870 from Wal*Mart can't do.

Wait, Wal-Mart sells the R870?

Good to know.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

...
It's one of the gun control side's major problems, and the pro-gun side's major happy things.

So far as I'm aware, Wal*Mart has always sold 870s.

[Alimeria-]

Is it bad that I really like this gun?

Also, is that really a sten?

Yes, it's really a Sten. To be exact it's a Sten in an SL8 stock with a FAL recoil spring. I believe it is the happiest Sten there ever was.

Somewhat on topic (though this isn't for any of the nations I RP'd back in The Day), couple of sketches of a much-loved Etrusean rifle.




Little awkward because freehand and done in biro, stock on the second in particular didn't benefit from that but you get the general idea.

Oo, nice Winchester 1895 that you got there. Also, is that last one's magazine detachable? If so, Points to you for stealing ideas from my head.

Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk III front end better than No.4 Mk I front end

[GMC Military Arms]

Oo, nice Winchester 1895 that you got there. Also, is that last one's magazine detachable? If so, Points to you for stealing ideas from my head.

Yeah, was mainly looking at the Browning BLR for cues on what a modernised lever-action rifle would be doing, hence the switch to a side ejection port with a detachable magazine.

Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk III front end better than No.4 Mk I front end

Eh, always found that front end kinda weird because it makes it look like the barrel's in the wrong place.

[Alimeria-]

Oo, nice Winchester 1895 that you got there. Also, is that last one's magazine detachable? If so, Points to you for stealing ideas from my head.

Yeah, was mainly looking at the Browning BLR for cues on what a modernised lever-action rifle would be doing, hence the switch to a side ejection port with a detachable magazine.

Cool, do wish someone would make a modernized 1895, in .308 Winchester with a detachable magazine.

Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk III front end better than No.4 Mk I front end

Eh, always found that front end kinda weird because it makes it look like the barrel's in the wrong place.

Ah, I personally dislike how little barrel was exposed forcing the use of a spike bayonet. If it went with no visible barrel, then I would be alright, along with if it had more barrel (like the Jungle Carbine, Mauser, etc)

[Allmann]

Is this a rubbish idea for a ww2 rifle?
Pump action (either forward grip or pistol grip)
Johnson circular magazine.
6.5mm Swede.