FAR battle systems ironing [OoC, FAR only]

[Solmakia]

hm.... well...we had that problem when I was using Mobile battle stations...
could you just create more ships? If not, perhaps one of your ships should be equivalent to around 3-10 other's?
honestly, I think it'd be best if you just increased the size of your fleet

@ Toishima
I realize this, but simply because some dude doesn't want his shields to get broken makes for a pretty poor RP
I would know from experience.
Anyways, the roughly equal means that I can't simply send in a single ship to wipe out a fleet, and nobody else can either. That way, we have to use our weapons systems intelligently to win.
I'm not advocating a 1-1 trade off where the largest empire wins, I'm talking, no fucking monster ships that can go totally beast...

[FAR Concord]

everything not in your focus is considered operating at normal level you focus are better than average no ship is equal becuase you all choosen something different

[Alidina]

how are we going to handle boarding? I mean my prepared response to a boarding attempt is the mechanical sealing of compartments and mechanical release of corrosive gases and nerve gas, there by killing anything organic, rotting the protection off anything organic and then killing them or rotting the metals of machines. This would be how I would handle a boarding attempt simply because i see a boarding attempt into a regulated environment like a ship to be suicide from a practical standpoint.

The mechanical bit is controlled by simple electrical system that if a single is no longer sent or a EM takes out the electronics the door seals and the gases our released there not much getting around that.

Basically neutering star wars or halo style boarding of my ship in one simple easy to design and all ready existing technology.

what do you guys think of that response towards boarding though

[G-Tech Corporation]

Boarding in space is one hundred percent Hollywood malarkey. Period.

Physically, boarding a vessel going any percentage of the speed of light is so undead only as to be impossible.

[Alidina]

Boarding in space is one hundred percent Hollywood malarkey. Period.

Physically, boarding a vessel going any percentage of the speed of light is so undead only as to be impossible.

good just making sure im not the only one who thinks boarding into a controlled enviroment though a vacuum where distanced are measured in Km with people who dont even top 2 meters is a very bad idea

[Solmakia]

how about land battles though?
I think we need to put a bit of focus on that if we're gonna start conquering systems from each other.

[Pragia]

how about land battles though?
I think we need to put a bit of focus on that if we're gonna start conquering systems from each other.

I focus on orbital supremacy, but my land armies are pretty much all fast attack or defensive positions. Expect heavy armor and assault buggies, and lots of air power

[Alidina]

how about land battles though?
I think we need to put a bit of focus on that if we're gonna start conquering systems from each other.

drop troops from orbit to remove planetary defense and to take high value targets(cities, facilities etc) reduce everything else to glass if it is made nessicary. basiclly sums up the General Coalition response, except on their homeworld when ground troops are still heavily used sense Orbital bombardment was outlawed at home.

[Alidina]

All FAR members post how your stuff works here and we will work to see how it all fits together. Dont need any more arguments over how things work this is for disucssion and effects only

[Transoxthraxia]

Tagging this for a VERY long post tomorrow.

[Acroticus]

Most Turian weapons are plasma-like energy based. Common weapons use this energy to fire like a laser, except in a more bullet shape in order to increase speed. While most weapons are not made to cut (some are) they are strong enough to break through armor, and the metallic skin of a Turian.

Turians also use this sort of energy to create a secondary holo-armor barrier (like in Mass Effect).

The Turian armor has more than just a holo-barrier, though. It includes a similar sort of power that surrounds ones arms, usually used for cuting or melee attacks.

EMP weapons are not used at all because Turian ships have long since overcome this sort of technology by using a mixture of Iridium, a rare metal, to block out these sorts of attacks.

Biotics are rarely used. Biotics: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Biotics
It's based on element zero.

If there is anything I missed, but I remember later, I will post it here.

[Toishima]

This isn't an RTS, I find it odd that you guys are going "how should we handle this" and "this has to be balanced", in the end, even if someone has a super strong ship, it's up to our RP skills to make it work, both the attacker and the guy with the ship.

Regarding boarding, wouldn't landing craft just fly up to enemy ships and clamp on? The ships should be going at sublight during battles, right?

[FAR Concord]

No it isnt an RTS. But some people will treat war RPs as this and as ive already seen that they will complete ignore each others stuff if it doesnt fit into how they think it should work. So while this is an RP this thread must exist to mantain the peace of space by allowing issues like the one that formed between Alidina and Sangheili or Alidina and solmakia to be decided on before hand. With threads like yours and Alidina you both worked within the confined of each others stuff and were satisifed with the outcome so it turned into a great thread and a enjoyable read.

I realize that Alidina argumentive nature and him coming up with a ship design meant to challange the standard Lasers and shielding of most Science fiction stories has alot to do with it. But other people ignore rules has some part in it as well.

[Terra Novam]

Most of the stuff you need to know is on my wiki, TG me if you have any questions. (preferrably Terran Hegemony since that's the one I use most of the time)
http://nationstates-terran-empire.wikia ... mpire_Wiki

[G-Tech Corporation]

This isn't an RTS, I find it odd that you guys are going "how should we handle this" and "this has to be balanced", in the end, even if someone has a super strong ship, it's up to our RP skills to make it work, both the attacker and the guy with the ship.

Regarding boarding, wouldn't landing craft just fly up to enemy ships and clamp on? The ships should be going at sublight during battles, right?

-clapclap-

Je concurs.

RPing is about collective story creation, not arbitrary win-lose writing. I respect you more since you realize that.

Seriously though; I have no problem with boarding in space as long as it's done well. The difficulty is this: yes, ships will likely be moving at subliminal speeds during engagements. However, that doesn't mean they will be moving anything less than a few percentage points of the speed of light, as maneuvering and not getting hit by weapons fire is infintely superior than having to rely on your armor/pd/shielding. As said ships are moving a percentage of the speed of light, likely random walking to avoid missiles, getting a boarding craft to replicate their precise speed and velocity vectors is like determining where an electron is at a given time and reproducing it's position and movement in all minutae.

Basically, unless you win the relativistic lottery, your landing craft are going to be pan caking agaunst the enemy hull constantly as it moves, or missing altogether.

And that's assuming they can even catch it, which unless you're utilizing a reaction less drive (lulzy in and of itself) your small boarding craft will likely be incapable of doing. In general terms, energy production methods grow more efficient as they increase in size, so any given battleship/cruiser/whatnot will be able to accelerate and decelerate at a more rapid rate than a smaller vessel.

Unless you roll with Rule of Cool that is

But realistically, no, simply clamping into an enemy vessel isn't a viable tactic unless you're will to sustain a 99.99% fatality rate.

[Alidina]

not to metnion the people who dont want to be boarded have complete control over vital stuff of the ship such as life support and gravity(unless your the coalition and to cheap to have artificall gravity)

boarding is a bad idea if the defender can put up any form of resistance to the unwanted invader becuase then they can cut off whats need or add something that not like Sarin gas.

[G-Tech Corporation]

not to metnion the people who dont want to be boarded have complete control over vital stuff of the ship such as life support and gravity(unless your the coalition and to cheap to have artificall gravity)

boarding is a bad idea if the defender can put up any form of resistance to the unwanted invader becuase then they can cut off whats need or add something that not like Sarin gas.

I wouldn't be so worried about Sarin personally; chemical weapons rely upon compatible biologies to function, and any assault force worth their uniforms will have atmospheric isolation units. Heck, my ships don't even have an atmosphere, and the Chosen don't breathe, so even if the hallways were saturated with Sarin it would make a copper farthing's worth of difference in the attack's success.

Gravity, now gravity is the kicker. It's not a big issue if the vessel is only engineered to exhert planetary standard gravity (the most efficient construction), but if the engineering systems were over-designed so as to be able to exhert 9 gs or more.... well, it's hard to board a ship when your bones are crushed to dust the moment you step aboard.

[Toishima]

I've got boarding in the thread right now... Except they're boarding their own ship, which is stationary.

How about armoured missiles filled with men? With hock compensating gel or something, to literally smash through the hull and deploy the troops?


About 12 AM here, may not be coherent lol

[Pragia]

I've got boarding in the thread right now... Except they're boarding their own ship, which is stationary.

How about armoured missiles filled with men? With hock compensating gel or something, to literally smash through the hull and deploy the troops?


About 12 AM here, may not be coherent lol

How would a missile or a boarding craft go through the shields? It would be devastated.

[Alidina]

I mean my prepared response to a boarding attempt is the mechanical sealing of compartments and mechanical release of corrosive gases and nerve gas, there by killing anything organic, rotting the protection off anything organic and then killing them or rotting the metals of machines.

like is said early its a two part system pretty ingenious .

[G-Tech Corporation]

I've got boarding in the thread right now... Except they're boarding their own ship, which is stationary.

How about armoured missiles filled with men? With hock compensating gel or something, to literally smash through the hull and deploy the troops?


About 12 AM here, may not be coherent lol

That's how I roll, boarding kinetic slugs.

Though my Servitors are far less squishy than your standard organic, some form of hyper-resistive absorptive gel might make boarding in such a manner possible. Feasible, debatable.

I've got boarding in the thread right now... Except they're boarding their own ship, which is stationary.

How about armoured missiles filled with men? With hock compensating gel or something, to literally smash through the hull and deploy the troops?


About 12 AM here, may not be coherent lol

How would a missile or a boarding craft go through the shields? It would be devastated.

Depends how your shields work.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I mean my prepared response to a boarding attempt is the mechanical sealing of compartments and mechanical release of corrosive gases and nerve gas, there by killing anything organic, rotting the protection off anything organic and then killing them or rotting the metals of machines.

like is said early its a two part system pretty ingenious .

Rotting metal? Lolwut

[Toishima]

Supposing there were no shields.

My anti-boarding mechanisms are... NO MECHANISMS! IMPERIAL MARINES, TO ARMS! And auto-turrets. I like doing infantry fights, close quarters katana ambushes, corridors blowing up and sucking men out... Yeah, pretty unrealistic, but whatever. RULE OF COOL. Thanks for teaching me that, huhuhu.


Also, is anyone planning on doing trade ships and stuff? These should be unarmed tankers and such in there.

[Pragia]

Layers of plasma and refracting particles to dissipate lasers and melt incoming rounds, they overload when enough mass has been converted to plasma and overloads the magnetic field
Also like above, marine contingents ftw

[G-Tech Corporation]

Supposing there were no shields.

My anti-boarding mechanisms are... NO MECHANISMS! IMPERIAL MARINES, TO ARMS! And auto-turrets. I like doing infantry fights, close quarters katana ambushes, corridors blowing up and sucking men out... Yeah, pretty unrealistic, but whatever. RULE OF COOL. Thanks for teaching me that, huhuhu.


Also, is anyone planning on doing trade ships and stuff? These should be unarmed tankers and such in there.

I'm going to have relatively lightly defended mass harvesters, and trading vessels importing luxury goods from other nations that aren't manufactured in the Empire.