Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

For force projection, plus it's just an LHD class. So he can launch Harriers and maintain a respectable helicopter force.

Can't he piggy back on some other nation's carrier?

Yeah, like the Argentines.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Like Rhodesialund said, force projection. I want to support socialist insurgencies in other countries and need a naval air wing and troop landing capability.

As an "small island nation" per your own words, this is political and strategic suicide. A small island nation like for example New Zealand simply do not have the resources to extend its political clout further than their own regional sphere and if there's a bigger neighbour in there they are literally reduced to irrelevancy. If you want to expand les Socialist Internationale play a bigger nation.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

As an "small island nation" per your own words, this is political and strategic suicide. A small island nation like for example New Zealand simply do not have the resources to extend its political clout further than their own regional sphere and if there's a bigger neighbour in there they are literally reduced to irrelevancy. If you want to expand les Socialist Internationale play a bigger nation.

Isn't England just a small island nation too?

Britain has things it can sustain a decent navy with, unlike New Zealand, it also had until shortly post-World War II a billion people and a worldwide empire. Things also depends on what your definition of power projection is. If it's to spread Glorious Socialist Internationale to the world, then yes, you need a bigger nation than New Zealand. Which I guess comes to a full circle with a question that should have been posed from the start: "What is a small island nation? How big do you intend to roleplay your small island nation, Halfblakistan?"

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What would be the best way to defend oneself in those situations? I'm thinking that the majority of my nation's navy will be designed primarily for defending the nation from oncoming hordes of II Denizens, with a small amount which can deploy ~a Brigade simultaneously.

What I would like to suggest to new ones like you is that you get a tight friend circle and roleplay/storybuild only with those. The majority of II... well I certainly wouldn't trust them to know what storybuilding is.
Limiting yourself to a tight friend circle also allows you a clear image of what your defence needs and how you can acquire what your defence needs.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What I would like to suggest to new ones like you is that you get a tight friend circle and roleplay/storybuild only with those. The majority of II... well I certainly wouldn't trust them to know what storybuilding is.
Limiting yourself to a tight friend circle also allows you a clear image of what your defence needs and how you can acquire what your defence needs.

Yeah, but what if I want to expand with and/or RP outside that circle?

We seriously need a general roleplaying advice thread in here.
Those occasions are in my experience... exceedingly rare, successful roleplays of that category even rarer, and eventually one just gives up. The idea that you are so hated or desirable in II circles that everybody wants to invade and conquer you is also absurd when one eventually thinks about it, and plans to defend oneself in such an absurd occasion are naturally massively time-consuming and entirely unmanageable, if only because one has so many thousands of nations/threats to defend oneself against.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I can't find a way to make this relevant to the current discussion so I'll just post the image and the link

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click for full size

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Cheng-Emil_class_battleship

Big warship is big

This Swede has a seriously hard time taking you seriously right now.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

PAAMS as used by the British Type 45 is arguably equal or better than current iterations of Aegis. After that there's the Dutch/German APAR/SMART-L combo.

Best bet would be the German-Dutch ones.

Idk I have my severe doubts about APAR's ability to do the job of SAMPSON. Mostly range-related.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Since the 1980's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_ ... ted_States

Merchant subs are terribly outdated tho...
No use for them now

Unless you are nuclear-powered and has jobs in the Arctic. Huge container ships cannot traverse the Arctic Ocean unless they really want to go RMS Titanic. The article even says nuclear-powered merchant submarines could use routes like the Northwest Passage or straight over the Arctic, unlike regular commercial traffic.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The wank is strong with this one. Have at it, fellow denizens of this thread, disassemble this thing.

George II Class mega aircraft carrier
Crew 8,400 troops
Aircrew ~ 7,800 troops
Flag staff ~ 400 troops
Marines 3,400 troops
Dimensions and displacement
Length ~ 1020 m
Beam ~ 150 m
Flight deck length ~ 1020 m
Flight deck width ~ 240 m
Displacement 360,000 tonnes
Propulsion and speed
Speed 30 knots
Nuclear reactors 7
Aircraft
Airwing 350 Aircraft
Armament
Missiles 12 x ESSM launchers, 12 x RAM launchers, 12 x SAM launchers, 12 x anti-ship missile launchers, 12 x ASROC launchers,
Other 12 x 25.4 mm CIWS, 12 x 127 mm Cannons, 12 x EM railguns, 12 x 6 barrel ASW rocket launchers

(Image)

Oh it's Jaclean. Carry on. Did block coefficient for the keks since I know that's an issue of his... with a 50 meter draught one gets... 0.0047. An random racing boat I dug up has a block coefficient of 0.041. Using the block coefficient of modern supercarriers like the Nimitz-class, he lacks... about 11.3 million metric tons of weight.
Here's an amusing thought I had, what would you guys do with 11.3 million metric tons of metal?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

tyvm i stopped breathing for five minutes. Any other kancolle pic would've been fine but Iowa is the only one of their depictions I personally find vulgar, go find arts und fiktion and stay there. :V And they haven't even pointed out her 200k+ horsepowe propulsion plant. :V

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Would it be possible to have a battleship with sixteen guns in four turrets with the gun size being 406mm?

With the correct design, i could see that being completely possible on a Montana sized platform. Quadruple gun turrets have been a thing for a while now, and Montana already was designed with 4 turrets. Shouldn't come out to too much larger than the Montana design, would need to compensate for the additional weight above the waterline though.

Yeah how about no, the 14"/45 BL Mk VII's in their quadruple (and way less armoured) turrets already weighed 1,500 tons, 200 shy of the triples that were going on the Iowa. I hazard to guess that a quadruple 16"/50 Mk 7 arrangement armoured to what they planned for the Montana's turrets is not going to weigh any less than 2,500 tons. In which case I have to ask, is 10,000 tons of your ship's displacement devoted to turrets really worth the troubles?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"Massive amount of ordnance." So use: Two F-18s with anti-ship missiles, or one destroyer with anti-ship missiles. You heavily undervalue missiles. A carrier can field more than enough to kill a battleship. Hence why we don't use battleships, and why the Zumwalt's guns are still prioritized for land-attack.

Tbh should've kept the Intruders. :V

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>Realistic
>Battleship
>Modern

Pick two.

The one you posted isn't the first one of those, certainly.

And it still can be removed from play with some GBU-28s.

As I play that very same ship gl getting through that IADS and CAP screen. GBU-28 works, against things contemporary with and predating WWII, afterwards your strike package of lumbering interdictors/bombers carrying a 2.5 ton bomb instead of LRAAM's would get rekt by any competent individual who knows what a CAP screen + escorts should do if you should leave them unescorted. You also should idk, try finding the battlegroup first? The cat-and-mouse game isn't actually determined by how many "deep throating"-bomb slingers you got you know. Keep those for objects that don't actually move and require the pilot to get within suicidally close range against AEGIS.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

-snip-

1) Battleships really don't have a place in naval combat post 1950's. Given that your navy appears to be Modern Tech you really have no need for the battleship, especially since it has no modern armaments, such as missiles for either attacking other ships or for air defense.

2) Your aircraft carrier has no need for 15 cm guns.

3) You aren't going to be able to put Tu-160 aircraft on a carrier, and I don't think you will be able to use Mig-21's from a carrier either.

Given that it has the Deutschland-class Panzerschiff's armament and armour and for some godforsaken reason Slava's electronics suite I'd say a decent carrier battlegroup will completely rekt it.
>6 inch guns on carriers
>Kriegsmarine
Cheburashka TSFs...
Oh dear. Let's move on.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Suum cuique. Now let's move on.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

That moment when you wondering when everyone's going to realize you're a crap-tier artist and couldn't come up with any designs for a battleship so you just got lazy and decided to put a picture of the Graf Spee there and call it something else so they'll leave you alone about it.

That was probably the worst way to go about it because it provided us with a reference frame. :P
If you still want help I'll give a few pointers, since I'm one of those (<.<) that follows what Gallan Systems/Gallia-/Gaylastan terms eroge VN's (on a separate note it was kinda hilarious watching a visual novel series taken this srsly).

First off I assume you are basically East Germany with East German borders and interests right?
In that case, building a Deutschland-class Panzerschiff with nuclear engines is just a waste of energy. You will almost never be in a position where you run the risk of running out of fuel for steam turbines/COSAG or COGAG plants in the Baltic, and nuclear power carries with it numerous issues peculiar to this form of marine propulsion, such as the need for a larger, very highly specialized crew, a completely different engine compartment than ships running on fossil fuels (and thus making it necessary to redesign/rebuild the entire engineering section, at which stage it's so costly you could've built a brand new ship for the same price), and most important of all, it requires a domestic nuclear industry, one which most nations on the globe have a very hard time either finding the funds for, or the motivation to build and sustain it.

Secondly, you have basically installed the entire electronics suite from a Slava-class cruiser on top of a Deutschland-class Panzerschiff. The issues with doing this would be as follows, Slava possesses surface-to-air missile directors, which on a ship entirely devoid of such missiles would just be waste of displacement taking up premium deck area. Similarly the Argument (Front Door) director for the P-500 missiles has no P-500 missiles to direct and thus is also a (massive) waste of premium deck area. Assuming you kept the VN's affinity for extremely large artillery barrages you need surface-to-surface directors, and probably good ones as well.

If we are still running on what the Word of God says you need to have much larger carriers to handle TSF's properly. RN's CVA-01's, being over double the displacement of your carriers doesn't carry a whopping 45 TSF's in addition to squadrons of lolhueg bombers like the Tu-160. Furthermore, as I suppose you are East Germany you have a comparatively small coastline, and a tiny sea to be concerned about, land-based bomber forces should have no issues reaching all the way up to Norrland if you wanted, similarly, I doubt TSF's have any issues doing combat radiuses out to Gotland. Carrier-based superheavy forces like you've posted is just simply unneeded. Your primary concern would rather be Laserfags(classes), which means your bomber force should be a closely guarded asset only deployed when the threat to them is minimal.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>AMS Nippon
plz.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>AMS Nippon
plz.

Do you want my AMS Zao?

Only if you can keep it within naming schemes like this. :P
On a serious note though, I do understand that you're not really this entity called "Japan" but in a certain way those names are a bit jarring.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Only if you can keep it within naming schemes like this. :P
On a serious note though, I do understand that you're not really this entity called "Japan" but in a certain way those names are a bit jarring.

I an not from Japan, Sorry my bad

(Trying to learn more Japan Cultures)

Edit: Thanks for list, going to rename It after i post Ghost/Fog Fuso Battleship

Oh, in that case. Here's the primer for the naming scheme with a healthy dose of YAMATO DAMASHII. (I'm terribly sorry Gaylastan)

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>google'd pic
>CONAG
>wat is proportions
>wat is muzzle blast
>lolciws
>yamato-sized hangar compartment
>radars and field of view
>tiny directors
>not even 650 mm's of turret face
>conning tower
>40 kts+

kanpeki desu if only this wasn't -infinity/10 for effort, however arpeggio totes cant beat this by god no.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Bear in mind the actual ship does not have that many missiles. Around 132 total. Other that, I based the hull and armor off the real Montana Class

hontoni hontoni?
On a slightly more serious note, 20 kton CSGN's are about a couple of dozens order of magnitudes more interesting than white elephants obviously ripped from a google search after "guided missile battleship nuclear".
And some day Soodean, I'm going to really put the history of the Imperial Fusō Navy's Omi-hotel down properly. :V

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Seriously... if you wanna be special with a slightly higher degree of success... there's always...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

*Wonders if people make giant lolbattarushipus to compensate for something*
*stops wondering and goes back to trying to decide which CV gets the honor of being called flagship*

Mine spent a week in commission during the actual war she was designed to fight, and has pretty much sat in mothball ever since (and probs will never make an appearance on ns because it's just way overboard), how about u?

Seriously... if you wanna be special with a slightly higher degree of success... there's always...

The guns.... my god the dakka is strong with that one... :blink:

It isn't the 64 16" 3rd Year Types that serves as broadside that's the kek'est, it's that 50 610 mm torpedo broadside.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The thing that really gets me is that you didn't go nuclear, as is evident by the smokestack. Honestly, going Nuclear would be the one stereotypical thing to do here that would have also been logical.

The thing is "combined nuclear and gas" Phartan-san. :V

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Behold, the mother of all hotels and wip's. :V