Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Vaxon]

Simply reverse the boost of the cosmic string we're absorbing and using to move around, and therefor reverse the movement. *nods because physics*

Oh well, everything is possible in FT.

Everything's possible, as long as some sort of physics can prove it.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Simply reverse the boost of the cosmic string we're absorbing and using to move around, and therefor reverse the movement. *nods because physics*

Ah. Powered by the mighty energy known as Wank. Say no more.

Saying that to Vaxon is redundant

[Vaxon]

Ah. Powered by the mighty energy known as Wank. Say no more.

Saying that to Vaxon is redundant

Both of you are wrong. Steampunk Mars, I'd shut the hell up. FT has no limits. Limiting FT is censorship. Or something. Bah.

[Themiclesia]

Saying that to Vaxon is redundant

Both of you are wrong. Steampunk Mars, I'd shut the hell up. FT has no limits. Limiting FT is censorship. Or something. Bah.

Yes -- it is. Go on then, with this ship.

[New Tsavon]

Saying that to Vaxon is redundant

Both of you are wrong. Steampunk Mars, I'd shut the hell up. FT has no limits. Limiting FT is censorship. Or something. Bah.

You realize no one takes you seriously, right?

Wanking will get you nowhere on NS.

[Vaxon]

Both of you are wrong. Steampunk Mars, I'd shut the hell up. FT has no limits. Limiting FT is censorship. Or something. Bah.

You realize no one takes you seriously, right?

Wanking will get you nowhere on NS.

I am not wanking. Now shut up.

[New Tsavon]

You realize no one takes you seriously, right?

Wanking will get you nowhere on NS.

I am not wanking. Now shut up.

Do you even know what wanking is?

Yes, you certainly are.

[Vaxon]

I am not wanking. Now shut up.

Do you even know what wanking is?

Yes, you certainly are.

I know what wanking is. I don't do it. Now shut up.

[Dragomere]

Most of my warships are outdated, but have modern weapons on them. My most used navy is brand new and completely up to date.

[Pharthan]

Oh well, everything is possible in FT.

Everything's possible, as long as some sort of physics can prove it.

So you're proving something... with an unproven, undeveloped (relatively) theory that few people can actually talk about intelligently, and even then most of them (Unless you're Peter Higgs) won't say they understand it (without a few drinks)?
Yeah.
Sounds legit.
Totally.

Not saying you can't necessarily use it in FT, just don't use words like "prove."
That, and Newton's Laws still apply. Energy to move your ship has to come from something. Certain methods might be more efficient, sure.
Considering you're trying to tie the entire mass of that sucker to a single cosmic string (seriously, just one?), that's where most of your energy is being spent, along with fixating on a new string.
The wonderful thing about quantum mechanics is all the wonderful things you can do on a quantum level. To get them to happen on a macroscopic level, you're going to need one of these.
Again, sure, you could do it, but don't make it out to be an easy thing to just turn around a giant massive FT ship. It's going to be difficult at some level, be it in design (ergo, cost, therefore you have a relatively small number of the ships) or physical ability (as in, you could have many ships but have little maneuverability), et cetera.

Stuff like that happens across ages. You may not know how something works, but you can usually make ideas about what problems it will have from appearance.
For instance, I could tell you anything designed by a Hollywood Movie Studio is probably flashy and a terrible idea in design, even if all the internals are different.

And you're right, FT has no limits, but that doesn't mean everyone is going to acknowledge your existence, based on feasible timeframe or whatever style of universe they're in.

[Erics republic]

The peoples republic has begun the deployment of 5 Nimitz class carriers in a attempt to bring up the fire power of its navy

[Democratic Koyro]

The peoples republic has begun the deployment of 5 Nimitz class carriers in a attempt to bring up the fire power of its navy

I thought you wanted to keep military costs down? That's the vibe i've gotten from your other military posts anyway. Even going so far as to operate World War 2 era destroyers. 5 Supercarriers seems like a pretty big jump.

[Erics republic]

The peoples republic has begun the deployment of 5 Nimitz class carriers in a attempt to bring up the fire power of its navy

I thought you wanted to keep military costs down? That's the vibe i've gotten from your other military posts anyway. Even going so far as to operate World War 2 era destroyers. 5 Supercarriers seems like a pretty big jump.

Well I've had a jump in economy recently, and plus my other branches are being modernized and it would be a mistake to leave my navy so severely outdated, I've already deployed perry class frigates

[Pharthan]

I thought you wanted to keep military costs down? That's the vibe i've gotten from your other military posts anyway. Even going so far as to operate World War 2 era destroyers. 5 Supercarriers seems like a pretty big jump.

Well I've had a jump in economy recently, and plus my other branches are being modernized and it would be a mistake to leave my navy so severely outdated, I've already deployed perry class frigates

If you're deploying supercarriers with nothing but frigates to guard them in battle...
... You're going to have a bad day.

Supercarriers also require quite a bit more logistics than any other vessel. True, they have a range of however far they can get in a year or so, but that means they need to UNREP every few weeks or so.
They also require more protection in a battle scenario, particularly on NS because everyone wants them dead whether or not it makes sense to go for it at the time. Sure, for regular patrols you could easily pair them with a frigate or two, but getting into the thick of it, you want the whole strike group - of which a couple of frigates are pretty much the outer later of defense.

[Erics republic]

Well I've had a jump in economy recently, and plus my other branches are being modernized and it would be a mistake to leave my navy so severely outdated, I've already deployed perry class frigates

If you're deploying supercarriers with nothing but frigates to guard them in battle...
... You're going to have a bad day.

Supercarriers also require quite a bit more logistics than any other vessel. True, they have a range of however far they can get in a year or so, but that means they need to UNREP every few weeks or so.
They also require more protection in a battle scenario, particularly on NS because everyone wants them dead whether or not it makes sense to go for it at the time. Sure, for regular patrols you could easily pair them with a frigate or two, but getting into the thick of it, you want the whole strike group - of which a couple of frigates are pretty much the outer later of defense.

And that's why I'm planing to introduce ticendoroga class missile cruisers into my fleets, I am also deploying Virginia class submarines to augment my submarine force

[Pharthan]

This has actually gotten me thinking, and brought to mind a few words from my old A-school and Power School instructors on the purpose of small-boys in a CSG and why the US stopped making small-boys nuclear powered.

They're cannon-fodder. Sure, they're best used as layered defense, but the final defensive strategy is that when in combat, a pair of small-boys take up position on either side of the carrier, usually with one a few miles ahead, and another a few miles behind, essentially ready to take any hits prior to the carrier and sacrificing themselves. To that end, making them nuclear-powered was, at the time, far too expensive if you're planning on losing them.

Now, logic says that you don't just outright sacrifice your guys until absolutely necessary...
... But what about making a destroyer based on this concept?

I've been thinking, how logical would it be to make a destroyer, armored, quite a bit of point-defense and missiles, no cannons, and try to make it cheap.

Problem is, how to make them cheap enough to be worth it, an safe enough to keep the crew alive when the ship finally does take a couple good missile hits, while still allowing it to keep up to the carrier?

Obviously, it's going to be a bit heavier and larger than your typical destroyer. More armor, more sturdy of a structure. Not armed to the teeth, but more oriented towards point-defense...
Lifeboats and liferafts in spades. Possibly even have the hull able to split into three fully watertight sections and float on their own. (Granted, not by design, rather, with the influence of a torpedo or a few missiles, but have the bulkheads cordoned off in such a fashion that it is likely one or two of the sections will remain floating.)

But how to be able to keep up with the carrier as it's personal bodyguard? It's heavy, obviously, and the carrier is nuclear powered - since the carrier's best defense against torpedoes is it's speed (and the Nixie), it has to be able to keep up. That means nuclear, unfortunately. No modern gas-turbine destroyer can beat a nuclear carrier in a race unless it's a short-distance sprint starting at a standstill or slow speed. But how to make that nuclear reactor cheap? First instinct says "Thorium." One larger thorium reactor instead of two smaller ones like some might do. Keeps the Reactor crew smaller and keeps logistics down. Keep it in the aft end, rather than the middle as is typical. No shaft-issues to worry about, make it all-electric so you can safe the weight you'd use in shafts on the armor, and that helps with keeping it water-tight in the event of a torpedo hit.

My goal is to make this something that can take a torpedo-strike. No idea how I'll manage that. First instinct says "trimaran!" to try to spread out the weight over a larger area, so that a torpedo strike doesn't hit all at one point.

Again, this is still starting to rack up the price...

[Triplebaconation]

A nuclear destroyer wouldn't be able to beat a carrier in a race either. That's the main reason nothing smaller than the frigates was built, not because destroyers are intended to be missile sponges.

[Atlantica]

Well I've had a jump in economy recently, and plus my other branches are being modernized and it would be a mistake to leave my navy so severely outdated, I've already deployed perry class frigates

If you're deploying supercarriers with nothing but frigates to guard them in battle...
... You're going to have a bad day.

Well, how about FREMM Frigates? Think that'll work well.

[Pharthan]

Well, how about FREMM Frigates? Think that'll work well.

Better, but that still leaves you without a heavy-hitter.

[New Tyran]

Well, how about FREMM Frigates? Think that'll work well.

Better, but that still leaves you without a heavy-hitter.

I just place mine with some destroyers and frigates, submarines, assault ships and a cruiser or two.

[Grays Harbor]

If you're deploying supercarriers with nothing but frigates to guard them in battle...
... You're going to have a bad day.

Well, how about FREMM Frigates? Think that'll work well.

The problem with multirole frigates is that, in naval terms, they are quite small. Small always means limited magazine capacity and limited capabilities, so while they may be good for short engagements, they lack the firepower for continued engagement. Plus, being multirole, their responsibilities, and as a consequence, their weapons systems, are spread rather thin. This is why cruisers and/or destroyers make better sense as fleet escorts. Larger magazine capacity and expanded capabilities owing to the ability to carry more powerful and more capable ECM, ECCM, and targeting systems, plus this also frees up the frigates to fully operate in the role for which they were originally designed, anti-submarine screening.

[Erics republic]

What would be a good idea for a heavy cruiser?

[The Akasha Colony]

What would be a good idea for a heavy cruiser?

To not have one, because they aren't needed.

[Imeriata]

A scanderan war cog in it's full glory. This ship did not only replace large deep hulled Knarrs for deep sea travel even if primitive galleys remained in control of the shallower seas and internal oceans of Scandera. A ship like this is not able to carry warriors and equipment to battle but in a large sea battle so can the majority of it's crew be armed with crossbows well protected behind wooden walls and shields in the front and rear towers. When the ship get close enough so are they armed with axes and shields as well as grappling hooks to drag in an enemy ship to allow boarding.

Further more so is it's hull re-enforced in the front to give it the ability to survive ramming of enemy ships.

[Erics republic]

Is the los Angeles class attack sub a good investment?