Your Nations Warships, MKII

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so tsundere

My Tsundere Heavy Cruiser can't be this cute!

Dat reversed No. 3 turret.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I keep getting amused about how many people assume that actual VTOL, as necessary for a subcarrier is, is useful. Harrier for example carried half the maximum fuel and two Sidewinders in vertical takeoff mode. I doubt F-35 is going to fare much better, what with twice to thrice the weight and all.
You also neglect the fact that nuclear submarines can be quiet enough at low speeds for two to smack into eachother. A flight deck submarine does not have that luxury.

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If I modernized a Shinano-class in the same way the Midway-class was, how long could I keep that bitch effective.

Seriously build the Yamato's properly (which would take about half a decade from keel laying to launching), those ships were seriously haphazardly built, especially Shinano who was leaking on her maiden voyage.

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14 inch cannons versus inpossibly large (and EMPed) warships

Who would win?

Why are you using 14 inch guns when a single heavy torpedo will break his ships in half, and probably cause sympathetic detonation of pretty much everything?

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Why are you using 14 inch guns when a single heavy torpedo will break his ships in half?

Because I only have so many submarines and torpedoes.

Don't tell me you only have ear-deafening Romeo's pls...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Don't tell me you only have ear-deafening Romeo's pls...

No, but realisitcally, I don't have very many torpedoes (where I need them, anyway). The majority of the naval combat where it's taking place will be done by the 2nd fleet, about 15 nuclear submarines, and many, many on-surface cruise missiles.

15 nuclear submarines will kill a superdread fleet stone dead. I mean you got about 450 torpedoes there and the enemy can't move without killing whales via noise pollution.

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Don't tell me you only have ear-deafening Romeo's pls...

hey now

don't be hating on ma Romeos

And then an AIP Gotland appears ten meters behind you and you can't hear it because you're making as much noise as an WWII U-boat. <.< >.>

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15 nuclear submarines will kill a superdread fleet stone dead. I mean you got about 450 torpedoes there and the enemy can't move without killing whales via noise pollution.

By that logic 15 nuclear submarines could kill any fleet. As if navies haven't developed tactics to help protect their warships from enemy SSNs...

It's preferable and have frankly a far better chance at it than spamming planes and missiles at superdreads packed to the sponsons with SAM's.

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I am a Big fan of small antiship missile boats.
Mostly because for the cost of a single Frigate you can have a hundred deadly little boats.
Does anyone else like the idea of small, fast missile boats?
If so, what is your favorite antiship missile for this use?

:D

I live for them

C-802s are a favorite, as are P-15s

Move over people fapping their ancient Osa-class biremes, here's a proper corvette with enough Sea Ceptors and Perseus to wreck ur entire flotilla.

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Okay, 'm thinking about radar atm.

Is it okay for me to try and slap a SAMPSON onto everything of Frigate size and up, and then the S1850M onto my specialist air defence destroyers? What sort of thing should I be looking at for my corvettes//multi-role vessels?

What other categories of electronics do I need to consider, and (though it's cheeky) can anyone suggest instances of these that would be effective for a 21st century Western (principally Eurofat) so I can look them up and draw them?

You need to consider that SAMPSON has a power and logistics requirement similar to SPY-1D, which means if you are under 6,000 tons you will be both overloaded and underpowered to sustain it, and it won't even perform to 100%. APAR will be more suited for those ships.

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At least you can use a battleship as a floating target, prison, or barracks.

boghammers are only really good for water-skiing :(

and intoing the removal of filthy american imperialists/ oil tankers :lol:

Almost cute for an almost bankrupt, corrupt and destitute state ceremonially beating its chest to demonstrate its utter impotence, almost.

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New Vihenia, the image you posted was too low-def.

Oh-and thank you for the info about displacement. I'm going for the ones found in Rusky subs...

So 0.45 x 100000 tons = 45000 tons of water

and weight at full submergence:

145000 tons. Heck. Of. A. Submarine.

Seems like I got a humongous bitch to push. Anyone who can compute the speed for me?

I'm changing the sub's maximum shaft power to 250 MW. If we take into account the calculated power output with the efficiency factor, I'll only have 147.5 MW of power left with to get my sub's electronics running.

145,000 tons is almost 1.5 times the weight of a Nimitz-class. I wouldn't bet on anything less than two PWR's generating a total of near 300,000 shp's or more. Also why is it 1.5 times the weight of a Nimitz-class? In comparison, two Ohio-class SSGN's and two SSBN's gives you 16 torpedo tubes, 48 Tridents and 308 Tomahawks, yet they will be more survivable and quieter.

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Only 2,200 shp on two reactors?

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Only 2,200 shp on two reactors?

What would be a better arrangement? More shp, cut it to one reactor, or something else?

I've never seen anything this small (4,520 tonnes) with nuclear propulsion so I wasn't sure how to index the value. I'd actually intended to go with gas-turbine, but the client insisted on theoretically unlimited range since the new regional map is bigger than Earth.

Let's just say with 2200 shp you'll get 10 knots out of a 4,500 ton boat at the most optimistic. The Murasames are in your weight class and gets out 60,000 shp out of four gas turbines and you got two nukes.

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Yes. This page might help you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almira ... 8CLM-81%29

I think should replace the older AA Guns with ZSU-23-2 and 4 AK-630 CIWZ

A might add a Vityaz missile system and update the radar

AK-630 does what ZSU-23-2 does and better. There is no need for two entirely different parts and ammunition supplies doing the same job when one is clearly inferior, on a single ship from the realistic perspective. Also you will never have room for Vityaz unless you rip out turrets, like the Soviets did to install SA-2 Guideline on some Sverdlovs. I'd prefer to install a Tor complex. But this ofc all depends on what you intend to do with these things.

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So people, I've been staring at my turn of the 20th century fleet and wondering how long I can keep this class of coastal defence ships in service.

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The Zambaxi Navy is the naval branch of the Zambaxi People's Armed Forces. it is tasked with protecting Zambaxi's 600-mile coastline from foreign countries as well as combating smugglers, pirates and rebel groups using the coastline for supplies and transport. As of 2015 it has 2,000 Personnel, operates 44 vessels and 2 aircraft. Zambaxi is reliant on aid from foreign countries to maintain it's fleet, often hiring "advisers" from Egypt and Pakistan for technical services.

The vessels in service included 6 Osa-II class missile boats, 6 Shershen class torpedo boats, 6 Stenka-class anti-submarine patrol boats, 24 Zhuk-class patrol boats and 2 Yevgenya class minesweepers. 16 Landing craft tanks were in inventory in 2015, but these are used in a non-military role for the civilian economy, often crewed by civilians.

The two aircraft operated by the Zambaxi Navy are F27 Maritime Enforcer's. The F27's are sometimes operated by foreign mercenaries.

Needs more 17.72 inch 100-tons Koy.

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Sanshikidan shell also meant that the 46cm triple mounts were AA guns.

The 41cm sanshikidan was more effective, though... =/

Tbh any of the Type 3's with calibers above 5" was an abject failure.

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They wouldn't even be able to find it. They'd be detected, avoided, and sunk at ranges far greater than they'd be able to detect the carrier from, nevermind the range they'd need to actually launch their missiles. That's the often-overlooked advantage a carrier provides: aerial reconnaissance. And it's a huge one.

We've gone over before why FACs in large numbers aren't a substitute for a surface fleet, and why their historical uses were very specific and their historical users never intended them to function against carriers or enemy surface fleets. They had utility in specific situations, but attacking carrier groups at sea was never one of them. That was true even of the torpedo boat at the turn of the century.

So defending a coastline with FACs isn't a good idea bc ground radar doesn't find ships?

What part of "could it be a pest" means that it has to go look for it? The issue with that counter argument is that it's assumed thear guys wouldn't be going that far from a coastline, Ground radar would have found said carrier group, the RAMs on board could defend it from the air to an extent, and it would already know where it's supposed to go before hand.

Given that the carrier's aircrafts have vastly superior situational awareness, response time, fire control, range and armament than any FAC heavy force relying on near stationary coast defence radars (that can be shoved a HARM down into, unless they give their purpose up and remain silent) to provide target data and defended by an air force that can only respond and a few 4 km range missiles and guns, what advantage does FAC's have?

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So I decided to into a cruiser, anno 2015. Anything blatantly wrong?

Class overview
Builders: Krupper-Thyssen Shipyards
Operators: Yukonastan Defense Force Navy, Yukonastan Expeditionary Force Navy
Built: 1978 – 1995
In service: From 1985
Planned: 12
Completed: 12
Cancelled: 0
Active: 8 (1 undergoing modernization)
Laid up: 1
Retired: 2

General characteristics
Type: Heavy guided missile cruiser/battlecruiser
Displacement: 19 500 tons standard, 25 000 (full load)
Length: 220 m
Beam: 25 m
Draft: 7 m
Propulsion: 2-shaft combined nuclear and gas turbine propulsion, 2x MN-2 marine nuclear reactors with 2x gas turbine engines
120,000 shp (86,000 kW)
Speed: 37 knots (68 km/h)
Range: 1,200 nautical miles (2,000 km) at 32 knots (59 km/h) (combined propulsion),
unlimited at 20 knots (37 km/h) on nuclear power
Complement: 650

Sensors and processing systems:
Radars:

• 1x 6 MW combat system radar, bridge structure.
• 2x 3D tracking radar, foremast.
• 1x navigation radar, foremast.

Sonar:

• 1x towed array sonar, 2km line, stern.
• 1x bow sonar

Electronic warfare and decoys:

• 2x 8rd decoy launchers, 128 reloads carried.
• 1x 4MW radar jammer/spoofer, rear mast.

Armament:
Missiles:

• 96x VLS cells (400x400 mm, 14 m long), two batteries. 192 reloads carried.
• 8x mid-range SAM launchers (250x250 mm, 5 m long), two batteries. 64 reloads carried.
• 2x 32-cell mid-range point defense missile launchers, 256 reloads carried.

Guns:

• 1x quick-fire 155 mm high velocity howitzer, 500 rounds carried.
• 2x Close-In Weapons Systems, 24 mm rotary cannon, 12 000 rounds carried.
• 12x 14.5 mm machine guns, 180 000 rounds carried.

Torpedoes and others:

• 2x 500 mm ASW torpedo launchers, 24 reloads carried.
• 4x 250 mm ASW rocket launchers, 48 reloads carried.

Armour: 100 mm plating around reactor compartment, 50mm plating around CIC, light splinter protection
Aircraft carried: 2 helicopters, space for 2 more on deck.
Aviation facilities: Hangar on deck

192 reloads for a VLS? A whopping 37 knots (what are you running the ship on? Zero Point Modules?)? Also why is the light torpedo launcher used for rockets while the bigger one is used for torpedoes? Also combined nuclear and anything tend to be an ungodly mess of piping and gives pretty much very little in return, if your reactor is not as anaemic as the ones on the Kirov-class.

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192 reloads for a VLS? A whopping 37 knots (what are you running the ship on? Zero Point Modules?)? Also why is the light torpedo launcher used for rockets while the bigger one is used for torpedoes?

Well, they *are* my fleets' heaviest ships. I'd prefer for 'em to be ass-deep in missiles, and I may have misworded that. I consider one reload to be loaded. And with 92 launchers, that's 92 shots ready to go.

As for propulsion, that's burst speed with two gas turbines and the two reactors working together, obviously cruise speed is far lower. I may or may not bullshit something about the exhaust from the gas turbines being discharged under the keel to lubricate the hull, like what supercavitation does.

As for the torp tubes and ASuW rockets, that's very similar to the average Kirov's torpedo fit. 500mm torpedos 'cause large warheads yo.

VLS: A rotary VLS assembly? That's some ridiculous space you are taking up below-decks. I think I might fit 200+ ready missiles where you have 92.
Speed: You still need something like above 200 thousand horsepowers for that speed.
Torps: Kirov's tubes launched the RPK-6 Vodopad, rarely I have actually read they kit them for the 53-65.

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Reloads for VLS. Seriously, why? It's not like you'll be able to reload them at sea, much less during combat while maneuvering.

From what I understand it's a rotary system with one ready missile and several in the mags around it. Nevertheless it's pretty much a trade-off for less ready missiles versus... idfkn.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Speaking of kreysers...

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That's exactly what I mean. Boring. Just "woops sunk". No hundreds of shell, powder and tracers, impacts and fires.

You can always be like Japan and have your battleships shoot fireworks shells.

Mou... Gayla, you are gonna leave oale running away crying again.
Srsly though regarding the Type 3 IS (and for my own canon), would efficiency improve somewhat if I added VT to it and scrapped all shells of the type made for calibers above 5"?

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Mou... Gayla, you are gonna leave oale running away crying again.
Srsly though regarding the Type 3 IS (and for my own canon), would efficiency improve somewhat if I added VT to it and scrapped all shells of the type made for calibers above 5"?

Type 3 was originally intended to fuck up runways :c

Oale, all you know about 30's era IJN gunnery directors? I need to put things on my No. 13's.