Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Atlantica]

The Ashkenaz Navy operates three Sa'ar 3 class missile boats, five Dabur class patrol boats, one Lindau class minesweeper, and various small craft.

Nice tactic you have there: a swarm, like the Iranian Navy. I guess we can think that those things will be very cost-effective against carriers and other large ships, though the swarms would do terrible in blue-water operations.

[Noordland]

Yes ik this is the Chinese flying aircraft carrier concept

NDN Bomak [ACC-2]



NDN Bomak is a Spirit-class supercarrier, which was launched in May 2018 along her sister ship Spirit. When construction, she was originally going to be named NVN Noordland, but several others ships were named NVN Noordland. She was the first floating warship of the Noordland Navy. In June 2022 she was attacked by pirates of an unknown nation. She had only minor damages, but severe damage to the magazine, so she had to go to dry dock for a year to get the magazine fixed, using NVM Spirit as a temporary main warship. She is currently docked in Southern Bomak for some modernization.

Name: NVM Bomak
Namesake: The city of Bomak
Ordered: 15 March 2015
Builder: Ironsteel Shipbuilding
Laid down: 20 April 2016
Launched: 10 May 2018
Acquired: 25 August 2023
Commissioned: 30 October 2023
Homeport: Southern Bomak, Noordland
Motto: For the nation of glory!
Status: In active service, as of 2038.
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Class & type: Spirit-class aircraft carrier
Displacement: 250,000 tonnes
Length: approx. 2,560 feet (760.29 meters)
Beam: approx. 350 feet (106.68 meters)
Draft: approx. 100 feet (30.480 meters)
Propulsion:
4 × Fjord Tech 2600 hovering engines
10 × rudders for water use
Speed: 60 knots
Complement: 300 officers, 500 petty officers, 1800 enlisted
Sensors and processing systems:
Fjord Tech multi-function radar
Fjord Tech air search radar
Fjord Tech fire control radar
Fjord Tech surface search radar
Fjord Tech gun fire control radar
Fjord Tech target acquisition radar
4 × Fjord Tech air traffic control radars
Armament: 200 × anti-aircraft laser cannons
100 × anti-warship laser cannons
250 × torpedoes
Armament:
Noordland Weaponry AM.19 anti-missile rockets
Noordland Weaponry AA.13 anti-warship rockets
Armor: Classified
Aircraft carried: approx. 1600

[New Frenco Empire]

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That reminds me, would airborne aircraft carriers actually be practical for PMT? I've been asking myself that for a while.

[The Corparation]

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That reminds me, would airborne aircraft carriers actually be practical for PMT? I've been asking myself that for a while.

No.

[Steampunk Mars]

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That reminds me, would airborne aircraft carriers actually be practical for PMT? I've been asking myself that for a while.

It probably depends how far into PMT you're willing to go. There's always going to be a certain amount of "how practical is it to expend the amount of resources an aircraft carrier takes on something that can be shot down and will cause a catastrophic event if it crashes on one of your cities?" Until you have antigrav and reasonable shielding, or full-on Godmode invisibility, I'd say probably not, and by that point it's moot, as you ought to have the technology to do everything with long-range fully-autonomous drones.

An airborne aircraft carrier, to my mind, poses an unacceptable strategic risk to its own side no matter what tech level you RP at. About the only exception to that is steampunk or other borderline FanT, or early WW1 or inter-War PT with aircraft-carrying zeppelins. It represents an asset you really shouldn't be able to afford to lose easily, and is made insanely vulnerable by the need to be airborne. And that's without the damage done to wherever it hits once the enemy shoots it down. I'd be spamming cruise missiles at the thing from the moment I acquired it as a target in any MT or PMT RP I was in. I can replace a couple of hundred missiles much more easily than you can replace the firepower, fighter complement, trained personnel and time and expense of construction and operation represented by one of those things.

Short answer: don't do it.

[New Frenco Empire]

That reminds me, would airborne aircraft carriers actually be practical for PMT? I've been asking myself that for a while.

It probably depends how far into PMT you're willing to go. There's always going to be a certain amount of "how practical is it to expend the amount of resources an aircraft carrier takes on something that can be shot down and will cause a catastrophic event if it crashes on one of your cities?" Until you have antigrav and reasonable shielding, or full-on Godmode invisibility, I'd say probably not, and by that point it's moot, as you ought to have the technology to do everything with long-range fully-autonomous drones.

An airborne aircraft carrier, to my mind, poses an unacceptable strategic risk to its own side no matter what tech level you RP at. About the only exception to that is steampunk or other borderline FanT, or early WW1 or inter-War PT with aircraft-carrying zeppelins. It represents an asset you really shouldn't be able to afford to lose easily, and is made insanely vulnerable by the need to be airborne. And that's without the damage done to wherever it hits once the enemy shoots it down. I'd be spamming cruise missiles at the thing from the moment I acquired it as a target in any MT or PMT RP I was in. I can replace a couple of hundred missiles much more easily than you can replace the firepower, fighter complement, trained personnel and time and expense of construction and operation represented by one of those things.

Short answer: don't do it.

Yeah, that's what I was leaning on. Rule of cool, I guess, but more liability. I don't plan on using them, though, I'm trying to find a suitable PMT carrier that satisfies both the "rule of cool" and realistic practicality.

If anyone wants to give their input on a catamaran-style like this, I'd appreciate it.

[The Ashkenazi]

If anyone wants to give their input on a catamaran-style like this, I'd appreciate it.

Looks quite weak where the two hulls are connected. From what I understand, there can be some pretty intense forces put on that portion of the vessel in rough seas. It also looks quite big, and might be approaching the upper limits of how many aircraft can be operated from one ship's control tower.

[Pharthan]

If anyone wants to give their input on a catamaran-style like this, I'd appreciate it.

The flight Deck, and the deck below it (which contains a good deal of the air-wing's berthing, storage, ready-rooms, and control centers) need to be bigger; there shouldn't be any visible gap from above.

For a PMT military who puts a lot of money into Automation and computers, you can easily streamline the aircraft management to allow for more aircraft.
Lower down, it'd also be good to have additional athwartship's connections - you'd want at least one forward, one mid, and on aft, likely two aft. Having them all up high is a terrible idea. First off, carrier crews are typically somewhat self-segregated into Air Wing and Ship's Force; Ship's Force typically stays down near the waterline or control centers (which obvious exceptions based on where certain compartments are), whereas Air Wing usually dominates the upper decks near the Flight Deck. Having so few athwartship walkways meaning getting from one side to another is a pain for Ship's Force, and having them all up-high is even worse.
Assuming you're using nuclear reactors, fusion, or something radioactive, that means only qualified Radiation Workers - meaning, your actual Reactor Department (if you're doing it like they do on the Nimitz-class) are going to be the only ones able to respond to casualties. Assuming you have at least one reactor per hull, that means you can have propulsion-system casualties on either side. Having so few athwartship connections, or having them all high up, means your crews have to go further to reach them. (Also, note, reactors are usually placed mid-ship for weight concerns (even subs, most of the length of which is the engine-room), not aft like everyone usually assumes. Most engine-rooms are actually mid-to-aft of the ship).
What this means is that in a battle scenario, if one of your reactors gets taken down and you need the Casualty Assistance Team (CAT) to respond quickly, you're screwed. (No, that doesn't mean you're going to have a meltdown, most reactor plants are designed to protect themselves from meltdowns with no operator action) If you have the ones as depicted, your CAT team now has to move forward or aft along the hull, go up three decks, over, and down three decks, and then move back to where your reactor room is, just to respond to the casualty. It'd be a great workout, sure, but you're going to end up losing people to heat exhaustion if they have to be dressed out in FFEs... and you're also delaying them by a good seven-to-ten minutes.
What this means is that in the case of a steam line rupture or fire, your watchteam dealing with the casualty before the CAT gets there is dead or going to have to evacuate and leave the fire (which would be the worst case scenario for this sort of thing) uncontrolled. Sure, you might have a few guys on that side of the ship, but you can't plan on having everyone right there.
If it's a simple reactor scram, you're now upping the response time to get your typical reactor back up by about 20-25% as well, which is valuable.

TL;DR: One big, contiguous flight deck, more athwartship connectors down low to the water to ease congestion and response-time.

[The New Trilateral]

During the Civil War, we revamped our Navy to include more than one warship.

Our front-line warships are the Tesla Armed Tactical Warships. They are armed with the ability to destroy the electronics of any large ship. These make up the front line of all our fleets.

Our Admiral's Flagship is the N.T.N. Avenger. It has sunk 47 enemy warships in it's time with the help of TATWs and 11 on it's own. It is usually in the center of our entire New Trilateral Naval Corp Fleet.

Our Missile Cruiser is Nuclear Armed. The NTMC-14 is the highest in the line of cruisers that are willing to send heavy fire upon enemy ships.

Our aircraft carriers are specially designed to ward off ships and land from a distance. Two of these are sent with every major distance so expect air power. They are called the On Sea Runway Boat 2014 or OSRB-14s.

[Themiclesia]

I was wondering about the effectiveness of Cheng-he's Treasure Boats in the 14th/15th Centuries.

Is it possible to construct such a ship with modern technology but under the original specifications?

[The Akasha Colony]

I was wondering about the effectiveness of Cheng-he's Treasure Boats in the 14th/15th Centuries.

Is it possible to construct such a ship with modern technology but under the original specifications?

Yes. But it'd be no more seaworthy now than it was then.

[Themiclesia]

I was wondering about the effectiveness of Cheng-he's Treasure Boats in the 14th/15th Centuries.

Is it possible to construct such a ship with modern technology but under the original specifications?

Yes. But it'd be no more seaworthy now than it was then.

Was it seaworthy?

[The Akasha Colony]

Yes. But it'd be no more seaworthy now than it was then.

Was it seaworthy?

No one conclusively knows, given the controversy over its size, but its wide, flat bottom, extreme beam, and very small sail area to volume/surface area would not make it a particularly handy vessel.

[Mkuki]

Whoa. What program is that?

Stetch Up

A Friend of mine designed it after getting some basic ideas for it.

So cool.

[Vaxon]

Some more warships, here we go! Well, not exactly "warships". Moreas a "Warship". Bah!

Hell's Fury:

This ship was made and designed to be able to destroy all in it's path. It was nicknamed "Hell's Fury" because of the fact, well.
Let's just say you never want to find out... Especially with how massive it is....

[Atlantica]

Some more warships, here we go! Well, not exactly "warships". Moreas a "Warship". Bah!

Hell's Fury:

This ship was made and designed to be able to destroy all in it's path. It was nicknamed "Hell's Fury" because of the fact, well.
Let's just say you never want to find out... Especially with how massive it is....

And especially with how puny and immobile it is, compared to its incredible size.

[Vaxon]

Some more warships, here we go! Well, not exactly "warships". Moreas a "Warship". Bah!

Hell's Fury:

This ship was made and designed to be able to destroy all in it's path. It was nicknamed "Hell's Fury" because of the fact, well.
Let's just say you never want to find out... Especially with how massive it is....

And especially with how puny and immobile it is, compared to its incredible size.

Considering you have no idea how it works, I wouldn't talk...

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

And especially with how puny and immobile it is, compared to its incredible size.

Considering you have no idea how it works, I wouldn't talk...

Gettysburg Class Cruisers are cooler

Crescent Class Destroyers molest it, wait, that's a spoiler.

[Vaxon]

Considering you have no idea how it works, I wouldn't talk...

Gettysburg Class Cruisers are cooler

Crescent Class Destroyers molest it, wait, that's a spoiler.

Screw hyperdrive and such, Hell's Fury ships use cosmic strings to float around, as they're pretty much everywhere.
We just boost the speed at which we travel on one, and in return eventually it goes fifty times FTL speeds. Most of our ships use that anyway.
Just a lil 'spoiler.

[New Tyran]

Anyone know much damage a "light" torpedo like a Mk 46, 50 or 54 would do to a surface ship?

That and anything wrong so far with this WIP ship of mine?

Daring Class Frigate.

Length: 149.52 meters.
Weight: 7,200 tonnes.
Crew: 190 (110 required)
Propulsion: CODLAG, 1× 20 MW gas turbine, 2× 4.7 MW electric motors, 4× 2.9 MW diesel generators, 3× gearboxes: one for each shaft and one to crossconnect the gas turbines to them. 2× shafts, driving controllable pitch propellers 1× 5 MW bow thruster.
Cruising Speed: 33knots.
Maximum Speed: 41knots.
Armor Thickness: None.
Main Armaments: 127mm lightweight naval gun with guided munitions for land-attack missions, two 27mm remote-operated autocannons, five 12.7mm remote weapon stations, two manually controlled 12.7mm heavy machine guns. Two RAM Block II surface-to-air missile launcher/CIWS, 21 cells each. Eight sea skimming joint sea/land attack fire-and-forget missiles.
Sensors and processing equipment: Combined RADAR and COMMS ESM, AN/SQQ-90, Link 11, Link 16, Link 22 communications systems, two navigational radars, Active Electronically Scanned Array, Electro-Optical Gun Control System, MFS-7000 Sonar.
Electronic Warfare: Multi Ammunition Softkill System, ECM suite, Surface Ship Torpedo Defense system.
Aircraft Carried: 2x Westland Wolfhounds equipped with anti-ship or submarine torpedoes.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Gettysburg Class Cruisers are cooler

Crescent Class Destroyers molest it, wait, that's a spoiler.

Screw hyperdrive and such, Hell's Fury ships use cosmic strings to float around, as they're pretty much everywhere.
We just boost the speed at which we travel on one, and in return eventually it goes fifty times FTL speeds. Most of our ships use that anyway.
Just a lil 'spoiler.

Nice, and Crescent Class Destroyers use dust and recoil to troll about space with little girls that can assault armies being available to rid the galaxy of Grimm. To be fair there are various other aged Hunters and Huntress, but there is something special about being taken out by a small girl with a transformable anti tank rifle.

Why do I keep spoilering my fan nation in work.

[Themiclesia]

Gettysburg Class Cruisers are cooler

Crescent Class Destroyers molest it, wait, that's a spoiler.

Screw hyperdrive and such, Hell's Fury ships use cosmic strings to float around, as they're pretty much everywhere.
We just boost the speed at which we travel on one, and in return eventually it goes fifty times FTL speeds. Most of our ships use that anyway.
Just a lil 'spoiler.

Such a large iceberg will be next to impossible to turn around.

[Vaxon]

Screw hyperdrive and such, Hell's Fury ships use cosmic strings to float around, as they're pretty much everywhere.
We just boost the speed at which we travel on one, and in return eventually it goes fifty times FTL speeds. Most of our ships use that anyway.
Just a lil 'spoiler.

Such a large iceberg will be next to impossible to turn around.

Simply reverse the boost of the cosmic string we're absorbing and using to move around, and therefor reverse the movement. *nods because physics*

[Themiclesia]

Such a large iceberg will be next to impossible to turn around.

Simply reverse the boost of the cosmic string we're absorbing and using to move around, and therefor reverse the movement. *nods because physics*

Oh well, everything is possible in FT.

[Steampunk Mars]

Such a large iceberg will be next to impossible to turn around.

Simply reverse the boost of the cosmic string we're absorbing and using to move around, and therefor reverse the movement. *nods because physics*

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