Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Palakistan]

Could a Iron Dome system intercept a shot from that 20 inch gun?

[Aznazia]

Could a Iron Dome system intercept a shot from that 20 inch gun?

Could it intercept it... Maybe... Could it destroy the shell that weighs as much as a Volkswagen Beetle... No.

[Spirit of Hope]

Could a Iron Dome system intercept a shot from that 20 inch gun?

Yes it can, and yes it would destroy or render inoperable the incoming artillery shell. They may be able to overwhelm the system, firing enough shots that it can not intercept all of them and/or shoot so many shells that you run out of missiles to intercept.

[Palakistan]

Could a Iron Dome system intercept a shot from that 20 inch gun?

Yes it can, and yes it would destroy or render inoperable the incoming artillery shell. They may be able to overwhelm the system, firing enough shots that it can not intercept all of them and/or shoot so many shells that you run out of missiles to intercept.

Good news. That will at least limit damage.

[Aznazia]

Could a Iron Dome system intercept a shot from that 20 inch gun?

Yes it can, and yes it would destroy or render inoperable the incoming artillery shell. They may be able to overwhelm the system, firing enough shots that it can not intercept all of them and/or shoot so many shells that you run out of missiles to intercept.

I don't think Iron Dome could actually stop a 1,020 kg shell from hitting it's target though.

[Palakistan]

Yes it can, and yes it would destroy or render inoperable the incoming artillery shell. They may be able to overwhelm the system, firing enough shots that it can not intercept all of them and/or shoot so many shells that you run out of missiles to intercept.

I don't think Iron Dome could actually stop a 1,020 kg shell from hitting it's target though.

Would'nt it knock it off target though?

[New Vihenia]

I don't think Iron Dome could actually stop a 1,020 kg shell from hitting it's target though.

If the explosion fragment can penetrate the shell casing or the fragment impact energy is strong enough.. It can blow the shell out or make it miss.

[Spirit of Hope]

Yes it can, and yes it would destroy or render inoperable the incoming artillery shell. They may be able to overwhelm the system, firing enough shots that it can not intercept all of them and/or shoot so many shells that you run out of missiles to intercept.

I don't think Iron Dome could actually stop a 1,020 kg shell from hitting it's target though.

Iron Dome missile gets close enough and detonates. A couple of possibilities:
1) The 20 inch shell sympathetically detonates, high in the sky.
2) The fuse/detonation system of the artillery shell is damaged, it lands harmlessly in the ground. bad if you are standing at that exact spot, less bad than it detonating. More work for EOD.
3) The shrapnel from the missile tears the artillery shell apart, little bits land over a wide area. Probably more EOD work.
4) It adds a small sideways velocity, the artillery shell does not land where intended.

[Triplebaconation]

I don't think Iron Dome could actually stop a 1,020 kg shell from hitting it's target though.

Iron Dome missile gets close enough and detonates. A couple of possibilities:
1) The 20 inch shell sympathetically detonates, high in the sky.
2) The fuse/detonation system of the artillery shell is damaged, it lands harmlessly in the ground. bad if you are standing at that exact spot, less bad than it detonating. More work for EOD.
3) The shrapnel from the missile tears the artillery shell apart, little bits land over a wide area. Probably more EOD work.
4) It adds a small sideways velocity, the artillery shell does not land where intended.

The only one of those that's likely is 4. Even then the effect will most likely be minuscule.

[Connori Pilgrims]

Are those battlecruiser still gun cruisers or are they missile equipped?

They are not missile equipped. They do have torpedoes and AA and the big guns. I'll just launch my land based cruise missiles into his boats.

If they don't even have SAMs and he's just relying on CIWS I think just sending fighters equipped with Laser JDAMs would be enough to wreck these "battlecruisers"... it'll certainly be cheaper than wasting your bombers or lobbing cruise missiles and even at normal JDAM ranges his CIWS can do nothing to your planes.

Also that's a garbage 20" gun (even for a paper weapon) if its just firing 1020kg HE shells, considering other paper and test weapons still fired shells at least 1800kg in size.

[Velkanika]

Iron Dome missile gets close enough and detonates. A couple of possibilities:
1) The 20 inch shell sympathetically detonates, high in the sky.
2) The fuse/detonation system of the artillery shell is damaged, it lands harmlessly in the ground. bad if you are standing at that exact spot, less bad than it detonating. More work for EOD.
3) The shrapnel from the missile tears the artillery shell apart, little bits land over a wide area. Probably more EOD work.
4) It adds a small sideways velocity, the artillery shell does not land where intended.

The only one of those that's likely is 4. Even then the effect will most likely be minuscule.

I gotta agree with Bacon here. Artillery shells are pretty damage resistant courtesy of their steel shell, and natural wind would deflect a shell far more than a little explosion would. Even if it is deflected, artillery doesn't have to be particularly accurate to be effective.

Iron Dome-type systems would be an annoyance for a Forward Observer trying to get a spotting round on a small target, but in a full-scale barrage it'll be swamped with incoming shells.

They are not missile equipped. They do have torpedoes and AA and the big guns. I'll just launch my land based cruise missiles into his boats.

If they don't even have SAMs and he's just relying on CIWS I think just sending fighters equipped with Laser JDAMs would be enough to wreck these "battlecruisers"... it'll certainly be cheaper than wasting your bombers or lobbing cruise missiles and even at normal JDAM ranges his CIWS can do nothing to your planes.

Also that's a garbage 20" gun (even for a paper weapon) if its just firing 1020kg HE shells, considering other paper and test weapons still fired shells at least 1800kg in size.

I also agree with this. Assuming he's using the typical 20-30mm autocannons for his CIWS, they're useless against any target above 10,000 feet. It'll take a dozen 2,000 lbs bomb hits to sink at most, and your aircraft could do it easily from 20,000 feet. One flight of F-15Es or F-35s loaded with GBU-10s would be overkill.

[Altaiire]

Can I have some general input regarding this hull design for a stealth frigate?

[The Akasha Colony]

Can I have some general input regarding this hull design for a stealth frigate?

It would be helpful if it were larger? I can barely make out any of the features.

[Velkanika]

Can I have some general input regarding this hull design for a stealth frigate?

It's a giant brick with a hump back and easily three times the freeboard of a WWII battleship, so I'm gonna guess not very. It also looks like it would have terrible seakeeping characteristics, so it's a bad warship to bood.

[Altaiire]

It would be helpful if it were larger? I can barely make out any of the features.

It's the largest size image I can find, sorry. What can't you make out? I could try to edit the picture to make things easier to see.

It's a giant brick with a hump back and easily three times the freeboard of a WWII battleship, so I'm gonna guess not very.

I roughly calculated the freeboard to be about 10-12m based on the scale. Three times is a bit of an exaggeration, though it is somewhat comparable to the freeboard of an Iowa. Its overall height seems to be relatively low considering how small the deckhouse is - I calculated it to be around 18.9m from the waterline to the highest point of the deckhouse. For comparison, the Zumwalt, which this ship seems to be inspired by, is around 30 m from the waterline to the top of its deckhouse, I think. At any rate, wouldn't the inverted bow plus heavily-sloped surfaces promote greater radar deflection?

It also looks like it would have terrible seakeeping characteristics, so it's a bad warship to bood.

Can you explain this further?

[Altaiire]

double post

[Laywenrania]

Why repost?

[Altaiire]

Why repost?

I meant to edit it but i hit the wrong button.

[The Corparation]

It would be helpful if it were larger? I can barely make out any of the features.

It's the largest size image I can find, sorry. What can't you make out? I could try to edit the picture to make things easier to see.

It's a giant brick with a hump back and easily three times the freeboard of a WWII battleship, so I'm gonna guess not very.

I roughly calculated the freeboard to be about 10-12m based on the scale. Three times is a bit of an exaggeration, though it is somewhat comparable to the freeboard of an Iowa. Its overall height seems to be relatively low considering how small the deckhouse is - I calculated it to be around 18.9m from the waterline to the highest point of the deckhouse. For comparison, the Zumwalt, which this ship seems to be inspired by, is around 30 m from the waterline to the top of its deckhouse, I think. At any rate, wouldn't the inverted bow plus heavily-sloped surfaces promote greater radar deflection?

How are you getting these numbers out of that tiny, poor quality image? There's literlly no scale given and I can't make out much that would be useful as a proper refrence.

[Altaiire]

It's the largest size image I can find, sorry. What can't you make out? I could try to edit the picture to make things easier to see.



I roughly calculated the freeboard to be about 10-12m based on the scale. Three times is a bit of an exaggeration, though it is somewhat comparable to the freeboard of an Iowa. Its overall height seems to be relatively low considering how small the deckhouse is - I calculated it to be around 18.9m from the waterline to the highest point of the deckhouse. For comparison, the Zumwalt, which this ship seems to be inspired by, is around 30 m from the waterline to the top of its deckhouse, I think. At any rate, wouldn't the inverted bow plus heavily-sloped surfaces promote greater radar deflection?

How are you getting these numbers out of that tiny, poor quality image? There's literlly no scale given and I can't make out much that would be useful as a proper refrence.

Ahh, now I understand. I blame Wikia for this, the image I linked was originally larger... My fault. Here:

As for the dimensions, In the upper left corner, it says "Size is (?) 100m" ("saizu wa 100 m (?) desu" plus some kanji I don't understand that are probably specifying length, but I can't be sure.)

[The Akasha Colony]

How are you getting these numbers out of that tiny, poor quality image? There's literlly no scale given and I can't make out much that would be useful as a proper refrence.

Ahh, now I understand. I blame Wikia for this, the image I linked was originally larger... My fault. Here:

As for the dimensions, In the upper left corner, it says "Size is (?) 100m" ("saizu wa 100 m (?) desu" plus some kanji I don't understand that are probably specifying length, but I can't be sure.)

It says "前後” or "zengo," which can mean "approximately" but also specifies that it means longitudinally.

(It means other things like "before and after," which are the actual kanji used, but I don't think that reading is particularly important here.)

[The Soodean Imperium]

People were talking about 1,000-kilogram shells?

http://iiwiki.com/images/c/ca/IMS_Jilinkyou_1923.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Jilinkyou-class_battleship

[The Akasha Colony]

People were talking about 1,000-kilogram shells?

http://iiwiki.com/images/c/ca/IMS_Jilinkyou_1923.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Jilinkyou-class_battleship

*nitpicks*

Usually the prefix isn't italicized, because it isn't part of the name. Of course, your nation may have different traditions so w/e.

[North Arkana]

People were talking about 1,000-kilogram shells?

http://iiwiki.com/images/c/ca/IMS_Jilinkyou_1923.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Jilinkyou-class_battleship

That... Is possibly the most reasonable and realistic ship I have ever seen on NS... It's so far from wankish I am weeping with joy.

[Confederate States 0f America]

What type of warships would have been seen on the Mississippi River from about WW1 to modern times? A few ships I think could have been seen on the river are the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect-class_gunboat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-class_gunboat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_Craft_Fast

An equivalent to this might be good. :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_monitor_Parna%C3%ADba_%28U17%29

She could be laid down in 1918-1919, with two Low Angle guns, rebuilt in the 1940's with diesel engines with and DP guns, then add a helicopter pad in the 1970's. Have her acting as a mothership for PBR's.

That looks like a ship that could be used on part of the Mississippi River. Does anyone else have any other suggestions?