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New Oyashima
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Postby New Oyashima » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:51 pm

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Hmmm, I might look into this further. I'm liking the sound of this.

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Postby Palakistan » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:52 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Palakistan wrote:Thank you! Ayayyayayayayay!!!!!!! I'm launching now as we speak. I'm assuming the SAM's on board can shoot at a B-52? (The SAM's are probably ones they use on a Nimitz carrier)


A Nimitz wouldn't be able to shoot at a B-52 if it had Harpoons. An Arleigh Burke or something might. Your biggest worry would be the carrier's aircraft.

B-52 would also need something to help it find the ships, like a P-3 Orion.

Could my coastal radar do that?
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Postby Palakistan » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:53 pm

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Palakistan wrote:Thank you! Ayayyayayayayay!!!!!!! I'm launching now as we speak. I'm assuming the SAM's on board can shoot at a B-52? (The SAM's are probably ones they use on a Nimitz carrier)


Actually some air launched anti-ship missiles (Mostly Russian) can be launched about 120 nm from a fleet, far out of range on any SAM's on most ships. Also Carriers don't carry long range missiles lurk Ticos or Burke's. They do carry some sea sparrows but their main line of defense is to use AWAC's to vector fighters to intercept bombers and keep the carrier radars off to keep the exact location of the carrier hidden.

Luckily the guy does not have any AWACS, but he does have fighters flying CAP near his carrier. That's why I have 5 F-16's flying escort.
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Aznazia
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Postby Aznazia » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:58 pm

Palakistan wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
A Nimitz wouldn't be able to shoot at a B-52 if it had Harpoons. An Arleigh Burke or something might. Your biggest worry would be the carrier's aircraft.

B-52 would also need something to help it find the ships, like a P-3 Orion.

Could my coastal radar do that?


If he is within range of your coastal radar you should just launch some land based Anti-ship missiles instead of putting bombers at risk then. (If you have long range shore based anti-ship missiles)
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:58 pm

what would be a good cost for a munificent frigate at my current economy?
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Magnificent class frigate:
Length: 675 Ft Long
Armament: 26 light twin turbolazers
24 light single lazer cannons
2 heavy anti ship prow Guns
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Complement: 235 sentient officers, 865 b1 battle droids ( 50,000 b1 battledroids in reserve for planetary invasion)
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Number total: 300,000
cost for each: ?
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Postby Palakistan » Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:07 pm

Aznazia wrote:
Palakistan wrote:Could my coastal radar do that?


If he is within range of your coastal radar you should just launch some land based Anti-ship missiles instead of putting bombers at risk then. (If you have long range shore based anti-ship missiles)

I only have Babur missiles and SCUD-B missiles.
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Aznazia
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Postby Aznazia » Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:13 pm

Palakistan wrote:
Aznazia wrote:
If he is within range of your coastal radar you should just launch some land based Anti-ship missiles instead of putting bombers at risk then. (If you have long range shore based anti-ship missiles)

I only have Babur missiles and SCUD-B missiles.


Perfect but you might as well just attack with the bombers now that your fighters are in the air. Send up 3-4 P-3 Orion's or bombers set up in a recon setup with large sea search radars to hunt down the carriers and send information to the attack force like speed, range, and course.
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Peace Time: 450,000 total

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The Technocratic Syndicalists
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Postby The Technocratic Syndicalists » Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:20 pm

Palakistan wrote:
Aznazia wrote:
If he is within range of your coastal radar you should just launch some land based Anti-ship missiles instead of putting bombers at risk then. (If you have long range shore based anti-ship missiles)

I only have Babur missiles and SCUD-B missiles.


Both of those are purely land attack missiles. For a coastal anti AShM the P-800 onyx would be ideal as it can be launched from mobile land based launchers and has a max range of some 600 km.

Other than that your B-52s could fire harpoons or UGM-109B tomawaks.
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Palakistan
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Postby Palakistan » Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:21 pm

Aznazia wrote:
Palakistan wrote:I only have Babur missiles and SCUD-B missiles.


Perfect but you might as well just attack with the bombers now that your fighters are in the air. Send up 3-4 P-3 Orion's or bombers set up in a recon setup with large sea search radars to hunt down the carriers and send information to the attack force like speed, range, and course.

Ok. I'm betting he will be able to scramble maybe 2 fighters at most, as his carrier is on fire and in chaos.
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:23 pm

Newne Carriebean7 wrote:what would be a good cost for a munificent frigate at my current economy?
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That would be highly dependent on who you're RPing with and what sort of tech rules you have all agreed upon.
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Postby Lubyak » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:28 am

The Corparation wrote:
Newne Carriebean7 wrote:what would be a good cost for a munificent frigate at my current economy?
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That would be highly dependent on who you're RPing with and what sort of tech rules you have all agreed upon.

Also on how much each unit of currency is. What can you buy with 1 whatever?

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Postby Palakistan » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:31 am

The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:
Palakistan wrote:I only have Babur missiles and SCUD-B missiles.


Both of those are purely land attack missiles. For a coastal anti AShM the P-800 onyx would be ideal as it can be launched from mobile land based launchers and has a max range of some 600 km.

Other than that your B-52s could fire harpoons or UGM-109B tomawaks.

Can you deploy sea mines by air?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:45 am

Palakistan wrote:
The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:
Both of those are purely land attack missiles. For a coastal anti AShM the P-800 onyx would be ideal as it can be launched from mobile land based launchers and has a max range of some 600 km.

Other than that your B-52s could fire harpoons or UGM-109B tomawaks.

Can you deploy sea mines by air?

Yes, air dropped sea mines were a large part of the blockading of Japan, especially towards the end of World War 2.

Does anyone have a rough idea how many security/master at arms/whatever you want to call them are on a modern warship? I'm assuming it varies by size, but I'm having a hard time getting an idea of how many should be on a warship of any size.
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Postby Palakistan » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:05 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Palakistan wrote:Can you deploy sea mines by air?

Yes, air dropped sea mines were a large part of the blockading of Japan, especially towards the end of World War 2.

Does anyone have a rough idea how many security/master at arms/whatever you want to call them are on a modern warship? I'm assuming it varies by size, but I'm having a hard time getting an idea of how many should be on a warship of any size.

Which naval mine would be best for taking out 20 Ticonderoga class cruisers with 20 inch guns. (I know, I know.)
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:07 am

Palakistan wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:Yes, air dropped sea mines were a large part of the blockading of Japan, especially towards the end of World War 2.

Does anyone have a rough idea how many security/master at arms/whatever you want to call them are on a modern warship? I'm assuming it varies by size, but I'm having a hard time getting an idea of how many should be on a warship of any size.

Which naval mine would be best for taking out 20 Ticonderoga class cruisers with 20 inch guns. (I know, I know.)

Just let them fire the guns. The hull will probably fracture after a few broadsides. Assuming a broadside doesn't capsize the ship.
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Postby Palakistan » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:09 am

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
Palakistan wrote:Which naval mine would be best for taking out 20 Ticonderoga class cruisers with 20 inch guns. (I know, I know.)

Just let them fire the guns. The hull will probably fracture after a few broadsides. Assuming a broadside doesn't capsize the ship.

I'm assuming it is like a Ticonderoga from some of the armaments I heard of. Assuming the craft was big enough to handle that gun.
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Postby Aznazia » Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:58 am

Palakistan wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Just let them fire the guns. The hull will probably fracture after a few broadsides. Assuming a broadside doesn't capsize the ship.

I'm assuming it is like a Ticonderoga from some of the armaments I heard of. Assuming the craft was big enough to handle that gun.


Just send in your subs again... Ticos are not specialized for ASW. Or you could launch a few Antiship missiles from either your bombers, a fleet of cruisers and destroyers, or even your subs from beyond at least 25 miles and you won't be hit by his "Super mega ultra" guns that have not been good for anything besides coastal bombardment for over 70 years.
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Anti: Communism, Corruption, Crony-Capitalism, Accommodation, Fascism, Religious Extremism, Neo-Progressivism.
Peace Time: 450,000 total

Breakdown by branch (peace time):
    -Army: 250,000
    -Navy: 100,000
    -Marines: 35,000
    -Air force: 65,000
Population: 98.362 Million
Current Chancellor: Fredrick Pudikov
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Dwight Folwer
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Postby Palakistan » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:21 am

Aznazia wrote:
Palakistan wrote:I'm assuming it is like a Ticonderoga from some of the armaments I heard of. Assuming the craft was big enough to handle that gun.


Just send in your subs again... Ticos are not specialized for ASW. Or you could launch a few Antiship missiles from either your bombers, a fleet of cruisers and destroyers, or even your subs from beyond at least 25 miles and you won't be hit by his "Super mega ultra" guns that have not been good for anything besides coastal bombardment for over 70 years.

I think he is planning coastal bombardment. That's why I'm evacuating the island that he is assaulting. I'll move 100 P-800 Oniks into the island. He has zilch air power, but I refuse to risk my bombers. He isn't a realism guy, but I'm working either it. I do have a Sa'ar class 5 corvette, 1 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer and 2 subs, along with 20 Super Dvora MK III patrol boats. The bulk of my navy is off fighting another front. This guy does however have Aegis and CIWS on his 20 "battlecrusiers."
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Aznazia
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Postby Aznazia » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:41 am

Palakistan wrote:
Aznazia wrote:
Just send in your subs again... Ticos are not specialized for ASW. Or you could launch a few Antiship missiles from either your bombers, a fleet of cruisers and destroyers, or even your subs from beyond at least 25 miles and you won't be hit by his "Super mega ultra" guns that have not been good for anything besides coastal bombardment for over 70 years.

I think he is planning coastal bombardment. That's why I'm evacuating the island that he is assaulting. I'll move 100 P-800 Oniks into the island. He has zilch air power, but I refuse to risk my bombers. He isn't a realism guy, but I'm working either it. I do have a Sa'ar class 5 corvette, 1 Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer and 2 subs, along with 20 Super Dvora MK III patrol boats. The bulk of my navy is off fighting another front. This guy does however have Aegis and CIWS on his 20 "battlecrusiers."


If you could bring in some more subs it would be quite easy to attack his "Battle Cruisers" by hitting them with anti-ship missiles at close range or using some torpedoes. Keep your patrol boats back and use your destroyer and corvettes to protect the island from cruise missile and air attacks.
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My Political View: https://www.politicalcompass.org/chart?ec=4.13&soc=2.82
Pro: USA, Guns, Republic, Capitalism, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Gay Rights, Patriotism, Environment, Green Energy.
Anti: Communism, Corruption, Crony-Capitalism, Accommodation, Fascism, Religious Extremism, Neo-Progressivism.
Peace Time: 450,000 total

Breakdown by branch (peace time):
    -Army: 250,000
    -Navy: 100,000
    -Marines: 35,000
    -Air force: 65,000
Population: 98.362 Million
Current Chancellor: Fredrick Pudikov
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Dwight Folwer
Press Secretary: David Piers
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Postby Tsuyoi Tekikoku » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:53 am

Are those battlecruiser still gun cruisers or are they missile equipped?
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Postby New Oyashima » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:09 pm

Lulz single mount 20 inch armed large/battle cruisers?

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Postby North Arkana » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:11 pm

New Oyashima wrote:Lulz single mount 20 inch armed large/battle cruisers?

Modern monitors?
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Postby New Oyashima » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:11 pm

North Arkana wrote:
New Oyashima wrote:Lulz single mount 20 inch armed large/battle cruisers?

Modern monitors?

No in ww2

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Postby Gallan Systems » Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:14 pm

New Oyashima wrote:Lulz single mount 20 inch armed large/battle cruisers?


Superheavy would still own it.
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Postby Palakistan » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:24 pm

Tsuyoi tekikoku wrote:Are those battlecruiser still gun cruisers or are they missile equipped?

They are not missile equipped. They do have torpedoes and AA and the big guns. I'll just launch my land based cruise missiles into his boats.
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