Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Korva]

I have a guy in our region who is all of a sudden RPing that he has railguns and coil guns and sonar absorbing bio-skin armor that is also depth charge proof and also he has perfected small thorium reactors that he runs everything on and its just...

So what do I do? Our region has prided itself for a long time on being a Modern Tech region, we allow some NS wank (like ionizing plasma paint stealth and crap like that) but i didnt expect the slippery slope to slide so far so fast. I mean before long I am going to have people building these things on tanks and saying "I made the thorium reactors even smaller."

Right now its a naval issue, I need to figure something out to just stop this.

This seems more like a general RP question than something related to warships.

Just tell him to stop, maybe provide some links showing why his various ideas are infeasible. If his idea of MT is incompatible with what the rest of your region feels MT should be, then he can always find a new region.

[Radicchio]

This seems more like a general RP question than something related to warships.

Just tell him to stop, maybe provide some links showing why his various ideas are infeasible. If his idea of MT is incompatible with what the rest of your region feels MT should be, then he can always find a new region.

Thanks. for future reference, where would be a better place to direct questions like this?

[New Carloso]

I have a guy in our region who is all of a sudden RPing that he has railguns and coil guns and sonar absorbing bio-skin armor that is also depth charge proof and also he has perfected small thorium reactors that he runs everything on and its just...

So what do I do? Our region has prided itself for a long time on being a Modern Tech region, we allow some NS wank (like ionizing plasma paint stealth and crap like that) but i didnt expect the slippery slope to slide so far so fast. I mean before long I am going to have people building these things on tanks and saying "I made the thorium reactors even smaller."

Right now its a naval issue, I need to figure something out to just stop this.

Give a good old slap across the face and say "No."

[New Oyashima]

Any suggestions on what ships I can make Aviation ships a la Japan to make them terrible? :3

How about battlecruisers :3

Now I make many of these. Then Pearl Harbor your stuff bro.

[The Akasha Colony]

I have a guy in our region who is all of a sudden RPing that he has railguns and coil guns and sonar absorbing bio-skin armor that is also depth charge proof and also he has perfected small thorium reactors that he runs everything on and its just...

So what do I do? Our region has prided itself for a long time on being a Modern Tech region, we allow some NS wank (like ionizing plasma paint stealth and crap like that) but i didnt expect the slippery slope to slide so far so fast. I mean before long I am going to have people building these things on tanks and saying "I made the thorium reactors even smaller."

Right now its a naval issue, I need to figure something out to just stop this.

He has the burden of proof. It's his job to justify that these things work as claimed. And make sure to not just listen to idle blog posts or advertising claims from a dime-a-dozen tech start-up claiming the next big thing. If he can't do it, then don't accept it. It's his job to make the persuasive argument for his position. That's how it works.

As Korva says, it's ultimately an RP question really, it has to do with where you're drawing the line and what basis you're using for that line. You can address his claims individually with facts, but at that point you're just doing damage control and it will be a never-ending case of whack-a-mole. You need to figure out a community standard that at least the vast majority of members are willing to accept and more importantly mutually enforce, so that when something like this happens, you can call his BS and have backing from other players.

http://iiwiki.com/images/4/4e/Unconquered-class.png

Class overview
Name: Unconquered
Builders: Secano Shipbuilding Company
Operators: Carlossian Navy
Preceded by: Tigershark-class submarine
Cost: D£1.9 billion
Built: 1997–present
In commission: 2002–present
Building: 1
Planned: 33
Completed: 29
Active: 29
General characteristics
Type: Nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
Length: 174 m
Beam: 23 m
Draft: 12 m
Propulsion: 2 × liquid metal-cooled nuclear reactors
Speed: 35 kn
Range: Unlimited
Endurance: Only limited by food and maintenance requirements
Test depth: 800 m
Complement: 16 officers, 120 enlisted
Sensors and
processing systems:
USCS
I-band navigation radar
Towed array sonar
Hull-mounted active and passive search sonar
Passive intercept and ranging sonar
Echosounder
2 × Optronic masts
Electronic warfare
and decoys:
4 × active torpedo decoy launchers
2 × passive torpedo decoy launchers
UAP passive intercept
Electronic warfare suite
Armament: 26 × ballistic missile (MBG-143 Havoc, AKBR-27PL and similiar sized nuclear missiles) tubes
6 × VLS 660 mm torpedo tubes (M70 torpedos, surface-to-air missiles, CASP-320 Narwhal and M77 Scorpionfish naval mines)

Are the torpedo tubes VLS?

[Radicchio]

As Korva says, it's ultimately an RP question really, it has to do with where you're drawing the line and what basis you're using for that line. You can address his claims individually with facts, but at that point you're just doing damage control and it will be a never-ending case of whack-a-mole. You need to figure out a community standard that at least the vast majority of members are willing to accept and more importantly mutually enforce, so that when something like this happens, you can call his BS and have backing from other players.

This is essentially the conversation I have been having with the guy, he said that he made some posts about rail guns a while back and noone said anything so he thought it was fine, i told him that I dont have the time to read every single post smeone makes in every thread related to the region. I told him that for the most part the whole region polices themselves and they ask one another if they are allowed to use something that may be controversial.
It just pisses me off that I have been running this region as a good solid NS/MT realism region for months now and have had very little issue, then all of a sudden this guy comes in with all of this stuff.
I mean I may not be the best RPer and I am sure that there are issues with my military factbooks but i am atleast trying to run a simulation that doesnt look like a bad scifi.

[New Carloso]

I have a guy in our region who is all of a sudden RPing that he has railguns and coil guns and sonar absorbing bio-skin armor that is also depth charge proof and also he has perfected small thorium reactors that he runs everything on and its just...

So what do I do? Our region has prided itself for a long time on being a Modern Tech region, we allow some NS wank (like ionizing plasma paint stealth and crap like that) but i didnt expect the slippery slope to slide so far so fast. I mean before long I am going to have people building these things on tanks and saying "I made the thorium reactors even smaller."

Right now its a naval issue, I need to figure something out to just stop this.

He has the burden of proof. It's his job to justify that these things work as claimed. And make sure to not just listen to idle blog posts or advertising claims from a dime-a-dozen tech start-up claiming the next big thing. If he can't do it, then don't accept it. It's his job to make the persuasive argument for his position. That's how it works.

As Korva says, it's ultimately an RP question really, it has to do with where you're drawing the line and what basis you're using for that line. You can address his claims individually with facts, but at that point you're just doing damage control and it will be a never-ending case of whack-a-mole. You need to figure out a community standard that at least the vast majority of members are willing to accept and more importantly mutually enforce, so that when something like this happens, you can call his BS and have backing from other players.

http://iiwiki.com/images/4/4e/Unconquered-class.png

Class overview
Name: Unconquered
Builders: Secano Shipbuilding Company
Operators: Carlossian Navy
Preceded by: Tigershark-class submarine
Cost: D£1.9 billion
Built: 1997–present
In commission: 2002–present
Building: 1
Planned: 33
Completed: 29
Active: 29
General characteristics
Type: Nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
Length: 174 m
Beam: 23 m
Draft: 12 m
Propulsion: 2 × liquid metal-cooled nuclear reactors
Speed: 35 kn
Range: Unlimited
Endurance: Only limited by food and maintenance requirements
Test depth: 800 m
Complement: 16 officers, 120 enlisted
Sensors and
processing systems:
USCS
I-band navigation radar
Towed array sonar
Hull-mounted active and passive search sonar
Passive intercept and ranging sonar
Echosounder
2 × Optronic masts
Electronic warfare
and decoys:
4 × active torpedo decoy launchers
2 × passive torpedo decoy launchers
UAP passive intercept
Electronic warfare suite
Armament: 26 × ballistic missile (MBG-143 Havoc, AKBR-27PL and similiar sized nuclear missiles) tubes
6 × VLS 660 mm torpedo tubes (M70 torpedos, surface-to-air missiles, CASP-320 Narwhal and M77 Scorpionfish naval mines)

Are the torpedo tubes VLS?

God damn it.

[New Oyashima]

Thank a lot guys. Now I'm making a modern Type 93 with China's totally legit super sonic torpedo idea.

[Aznazia]

As Korva says, it's ultimately an RP question really, it has to do with where you're drawing the line and what basis you're using for that line. You can address his claims individually with facts, but at that point you're just doing damage control and it will be a never-ending case of whack-a-mole. You need to figure out a community standard that at least the vast majority of members are willing to accept and more importantly mutually enforce, so that when something like this happens, you can call his BS and have backing from other players.

This is essentially the conversation I have been having with the guy, he said that he made some posts about rail guns a while back and noone said anything so he thought it was fine, i told him that I dont have the time to read every single post smeone makes in every thread related to the region. I told him that for the most part the whole region polices themselves and they ask one another if they are allowed to use something that may be controversial.
It just pisses me off that I have been running this region as a good solid NS/MT realism region for months now and have had very little issue, then all of a sudden this guy comes in with all of this stuff.
I mean I may not be the best RPer and I am sure that there are issues with my military factbooks but i am atleast trying to run a simulation that doesnt look like a bad scifi.

Naval warfare is one of the least understood on NS in my opinion. You just have to let him know that it is quite outlandish to do something like that. With his past posts did he every say if he was experimenting with the future technologies or that he fully integrated them into his military? My region constantly argues over what is realistic and what is not since we try to have a region that is somewhere between fantasy and reality. I stand more on the reality side of things while others have suggested that they could have thorium reactor powers tanks that I said no to. The guy who suggested the tanks then presented his facts but I showed some of mine and he then agrees that it would be a bit too outlandish for our MT region.

[Palakistan]

Question: a rp I'm in, I'm at war in with someone. He decided to launch 2 modernized Yorktown Aircraft carriers and go towards my coast unescorted. Then my OTH radar picked him up, and I sent two subs to intercept. Then he proceeds to say he has sonar capabilities and bomber planes that can take out subs. Is that realistic?

[New Oyashima]

Question: a rp I'm in, I'm at war in with someone. He decided to launch 2 modernized Yorktown Aircraft carriers and go towards my coast unescorted. Then my OTH radar picked him up, and I sent two subs to intercept. Then he proceeds to say he has sonar capabilities and bomber planes that can take out subs. Is that realistic?

He has to find them first.

[Radicchio]

The more developed his sonar is in previous RP, the more sonar assets he has, the better his chance but ultimately, your announcement that you launched submarines should be accompanied by an "encrypted" post and he should have to hunt for them. If he cant find them then he cant kill them with his bombers.
What "bombers" does he have on those carriers anyway?

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

The more developed his sonar is in previous RP, the more sonar assets he has, the better his chance but ultimately, your announcement that you launched submarines should be accompanied by an "encrypted" post and he should have to hunt for them. If he cant find them then he cant kill them with his bombers.
What "bombers" does he have on those carriers anyway?

A carrier's anti-sub capabilities come in the form of helicopters and small jet aircraft like the lockheed S-3, not bombers. Large maritime patrol aircraft like the boeing P-8 have anti-sub capabilities but are far too big to be launched off carriers.

Launching un-escorted carriers at another nation is beyond stupid. You're subs should easily be able to sneak up on his carriers and sink them with a torpedo barrage. Alternatively if you're using say an Oscar II you can fire off a few P-700 AShMs from a few hundred kilometers away which will have no problem blasting his carriers in half.

Alternatively you could have a few low flying tu-22Ms fire kh-22 missiles beyond the radar horizon of his carriers' radar which against a vessel without aegis is pretty much a guaranteed kill.

[Crookfur]

Question: a rp I'm in, I'm at war in with someone. He decided to launch 2 modernized Yorktown Aircraft carriers and go towards my coast unescorted. Then my OTH radar picked him up, and I sent two subs to intercept. Then he proceeds to say he has sonar capabilities and bomber planes that can take out subs. Is that realistic?

Well its fully possible that he has ASW helicopters and/or a few of S2 trackers/S3 vikings which would allow him to establish some sort of anti-submarine patrol coverage, it wont be brilliant but it will be there.

[New Carloso]

Thank a lot guys. Now I'm making a modern Type 93 with China's totally legit super sonic torpedo idea.

Hmmm, I might look into this further. I'm liking the sound of this.

[Palakistan]

The more developed his sonar is in previous RP, the more sonar assets he has, the better his chance but ultimately, your announcement that you launched submarines should be accompanied by an "encrypted" post and he should have to hunt for them. If he cant find them then he cant kill them with his bombers.
What "bombers" does he have on those carriers anyway?

A carrier's anti-sub capabilities come in the form of helicopters and small jet aircraft like the lockheed S-3, not bombers. Large maritime patrol aircraft like the boeing P-8 have anti-sub capabilities but are far too big to be launched off carriers.

Launching un-escorted carriers at another nation is beyond stupid. You're subs should easily be able to sneak up on his carriers and sink them with a torpedo barrage. Alternatively if you're using say an Oscar II you can fire off a few P-700 AShMs from a few hundred kilometers away which will have no problem blasting his carriers in half.

Alternatively you could have a few low flying tu-22Ms fire kh-22 missiles beyond the radar horizon of his carriers' radar which against a vessel without aegis is pretty much a guaranteed kill.

He only has 4th gen fighters, and weird bomber planes. He isn't a very realism based player, is u had to help him with his deployment and such. So I'll just torpedo his carriers.

[Palakistan]

The more developed his sonar is in previous RP, the more sonar assets he has, the better his chance but ultimately, your announcement that you launched submarines should be accompanied by an "encrypted" post and he should have to hunt for them. If he cant find them then he cant kill them with his bombers.
What "bombers" does he have on those carriers anyway?

The entire sub launch was encrypted, so he will never see it coming. Now to be fair, I only took one and the other is severely damaged. I'm going go launch 5 F-16's to mop up, or is that not a good idea?

[Aznazia]

The more developed his sonar is in previous RP, the more sonar assets he has, the better his chance but ultimately, your announcement that you launched submarines should be accompanied by an "encrypted" post and he should have to hunt for them. If he cant find them then he cant kill them with his bombers.
What "bombers" does he have on those carriers anyway?

The entire sub launch was encrypted, so he will never see it coming. Now to be fair, I only took one and the other is severely damaged. I'm going go launch 5 F-16's to mop up, or is that not a good idea?

I would use 10-20 high speed bombers like te B-1 or the Backfire to attack with Anti-ship missiles.

[Palakistan]

The entire sub launch was encrypted, so he will never see it coming. Now to be fair, I only took one and the other is severely damaged. I'm going go launch 5 F-16's to mop up, or is that not a good idea?

I would use 10-20 high speed bombers like te B-1 or the Backfire to attack with Anti-ship missiles.

Sadly I only own B-52's and B-2's. Maybe a B-2 can is the trick. I'll put my already launched F-16's on CAP to prep for any fighters launching.

[Gallia-]

B-52 has an anti-shipping capability.

[Palakistan]

B-52 has an anti-shipping capability.

Thank you! Ayayyayayayayay!!!!!!! I'm launching now as we speak. I'm assuming the SAM's on board can shoot at a B-52? (The SAM's are probably ones they use on a Nimitz carrier)

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

B-52 has an anti-shipping capability.

Thank you! Ayayyayayayayay!!!!!!! I'm launching now as we speak. I'm assuming the SAM's on board can shoot at a B-52? (The SAM's are probably ones they use on a Nimitz carrier)

The b-52 can fire cruise missiles from standoff ranges of a few thousand kilometers, far greater than the range of any SAM.

[Palakistan]

Thank you! Ayayyayayayayay!!!!!!! I'm launching now as we speak. I'm assuming the SAM's on board can shoot at a B-52? (The SAM's are probably ones they use on a Nimitz carrier)

The b-52 can fire cruise missiles from standoff ranges of a few thousand kilometers, far greater than the range of any SAM.

Ok. What cruise missiles would ou recommend?

[Aznazia]

B-52 has an anti-shipping capability.

Thank you! Ayayyayayayayay!!!!!!! I'm launching now as we speak. I'm assuming the SAM's on board can shoot at a B-52? (The SAM's are probably ones they use on a Nimitz carrier)

Actually some air launched anti-ship missiles (Mostly Russian) can be launched about 120 nm from a fleet, far out of range on any SAM's on most ships. Also Carriers don't carry long range missiles lurk Ticos or Burke's. They do carry some sea sparrows but their main line of defense is to use AWAC's to vector fighters to intercept bombers and keep the carrier radars off to keep the exact location of the carrier hidden.

[Gallia-]

B-52 has an anti-shipping capability.

Thank you! Ayayyayayayayay!!!!!!! I'm launching now as we speak. I'm assuming the SAM's on board can shoot at a B-52? (The SAM's are probably ones they use on a Nimitz carrier)

A Nimitz wouldn't be able to shoot at a B-52 if it had Harpoons. An Arleigh Burke or something might. Your biggest worry would be the carrier's aircraft.

B-52 would also need something to help it find the ships, like a P-3 Orion.