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Postby Erics republic » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:47 pm

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You really expect some one to expect torpedoes from a destroyer? And plus the ship comes with rotating torpedo tubes


Most destroyers carry them, but that's because modern ships have the modern electronics to actually spot targets for them. And they're not wasted on coastal patrol either, as submarines don't normally encroach too close to shore where the water gets shallower, the surface traffic more frequent, and their maneuverability options become limited. So not only does your ship lack the electronics to use the torpedoes, it won't likely encounter a target that it needs to use them on in the first place. Just because the ship comes with them doesn't mean you have to waste money modernizing a system you don't need. Strange as this may sound, you could remove them you know.


I am quite aware of that, and indeed I am removing one of the tube turrets and replacing it, probably a system for launch ship to ship missles

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Postby Democratic Koyro » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:10 pm

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Most destroyers carry them, but that's because modern ships have the modern electronics to actually spot targets for them. And they're not wasted on coastal patrol either, as submarines don't normally encroach too close to shore where the water gets shallower, the surface traffic more frequent, and their maneuverability options become limited. So not only does your ship lack the electronics to use the torpedoes, it won't likely encounter a target that it needs to use them on in the first place. Just because the ship comes with them doesn't mean you have to waste money modernizing a system you don't need. Strange as this may sound, you could remove them you know.


I am quite aware of that, and indeed I am removing one of the tube turrets and replacing it, probably a system for launch ship to ship missles


Why does a Destroyer you're using for coastal patrol need anti-ship missiles?

Wait, why are you using a Destroyer for Coastal Patrol anyway?! One from the 1940's at that. A dedicated Offshore Patrol Vessel would perform the job of coastal patrol much better than a glorified museum ship.
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Postby Steampunk Mars » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:35 pm

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I see your aerial battleship and match it with one of my own.
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Postby The National Socialist Philippines » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:33 am

sorry that is a transport here is my aerial battleship

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Postby Asigna » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:40 am

Asigna Philippines has one aerial battleship, the Dangan.


For greater mobility, it is propelled by propellers at normal times, jets and rockets when needed.

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Postby Steampunk Mars » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:19 am

Asigna wrote:...For greater mobility, it is propelled by propellers at normal times, jets and rockets when needed.


You do realize that jets and rockets on a dirigible will tear themselves loose from their mountings through sheer force of thrust and leave your airship drifting on the wind, right? Big time bad idea. Stick with propellers or ducted fans.
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Postby The National Socialist Philippines » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:25 am

You do realize that jets and rockets on a dirigible will tear themselves loose from their mountings through sheer force of thrust and leave your airship drifting on the wind, right? Big time bad idea. Stick with propellers or ducted fans.


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Postby Atlantica » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:29 pm

Asigna wrote:Asigna Philippines has one aerial battleship, the Dangan.


For greater mobility, it is propelled by propellers at normal times, jets and rockets when needed.

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Wow, that's a nice aerial battleship you got there... and a very nice floating pinata for supersonic and hypersonic fighters.
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Postby Pharthan » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:06 pm

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Asigna wrote:...For greater mobility, it is propelled by propellers at normal times, jets and rockets when needed.


You do realize that jets and rockets on a dirigible will tear themselves loose from their mountings through sheer force of thrust and leave your airship drifting on the wind, right? Big time bad idea. Stick with propellers or ducted fans.

You do realize that you can simply make them lower-thrust and higher-efficiency, right?
I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'd still go with propellers/fans, especially since you can power them with solar panels/batteries.
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Asigna wrote:Asigna Philippines has one aerial battleship, the Dangan.


For greater mobility, it is propelled by propellers at normal times, jets and rockets when needed.

(Image)

Wow, that's a nice aerial battleship you got there... and a very nice floating pinata for supersonic and hypersonic fighters.


Only if he's dumb enough to bring it out before he has aerial superiority.
The giant cannon suggests it's for fire-support of ground troops rather than air-to-air.
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Postby Asigna » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:39 pm

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You do realize that jets and rockets on a dirigible will tear themselves loose from their mountings through sheer force of thrust and leave your airship drifting on the wind, right? Big time bad idea. Stick with propellers or ducted fans.

You do realize that you can simply make them lower-thrust and higher-efficiency, right?
I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'd still go with propellers/fans, especially since you can power them with solar panels/batteries.
Atlantica wrote:Wow, that's a nice aerial battleship you got there... and a very nice floating pinata for supersonic and hypersonic fighters.


Only if he's dumb enough to bring it out before he has aerial superiority.
The giant cannon suggests it's for fire-support of ground troops rather than air-to-air.


This i agree.

We aren't really expecting it to be used under fire anyway, only when there is air superiority as it is always escorted by Fighter planes.

It's more of a ground attack rather than aerial attack.


No more jets or rocket engines... i stick to propellers.
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Postby Vaxon » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:19 pm

We have many classes of Warships. Perhaps I'll simply place the most commonly used ones from weakest to strongest?

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PICWs - our most common warship. It is most oftenly used to invade at a planetary or 'global' scale. It has two hundred antimatter cannons, over five thousand small laser/ion cannons, and FTL speeds beyond what most Warships of others are capable of.


ACW Fleet.Our second most used Warship, the ACW is a beauty. Capable of 15FTL speeds and numbering weapons that would scare the living f-ck out of anyone, it is also our second strongest. Not much is known besides anyone unfortunate to meet an ACW is most likely DEAD.
The picture depicts a planet being invaded by a fleet of ACWs.


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The WH Warships are very rarely used, considering they're massive. By massive, I mean they are approximately the size of what would normally be considered a fleet of warships. We only have 50 WHs in existence, and someone has yet to survive an attack from one.



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Postby Erics republic » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:09 pm

I plan to make the Kiev class battle cruiser my main warship

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Postby The Akasha Colony » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:12 pm

Erics republic wrote:I plan to make the Kiev class battle cruiser my main warship


Don't. It's an inefficient design and a waste of money. There are much better classes, like every other modern missile cruiser design in service.
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Postby Erics republic » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:18 pm

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Erics republic wrote:I plan to make the Kiev class battle cruiser my main warship


Don't. It's an inefficient design and a waste of money. There are much better classes, like every other modern missile cruiser design in service.

I'm only going to deploy them really for supporting landing operations, and also as mobile command centers

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Postby Democratic Koyro » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:22 pm

Erics republic wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
Don't. It's an inefficient design and a waste of money. There are much better classes, like every other modern missile cruiser design in service.

I'm only going to deploy them really for supporting landing operations, and also as mobile command centers


Kiev class would make a horrible ship for those roles.
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Postby Erics republic » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:26 pm

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Erics republic wrote:I'm only going to deploy them really for supporting landing operations, and also as mobile command centers


Kiev class would make a horrible ship for those roles.


This is not my field I'm better with planes, but I can convert the Kiev class to aircraft carriers very easily, so that might be a better idea

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Postby The Akasha Colony » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:59 pm

Erics republic wrote:
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Don't. It's an inefficient design and a waste of money. There are much better classes, like every other modern missile cruiser design in service.

I'm only going to deploy them really for supporting landing operations, and also as mobile command centers


That was the last thing on the designers' minds. Kirov was made to fit within the Soviet Navy's strategic goal, which was to keep the US Navy out of its waters. Therefore, it was designed almost entirely as an anti-aircraft and anti-ship platform. It was never designed for land-attack and would be inefficient at it at best.

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Kiev class would make a horrible ship for those roles.


This is not my field I'm better with planes, but I can convert the Kiev class to aircraft carriers very easily, so that might be a better idea


The Kiev-class is an aircraft carrier. There's nothing to 'convert.'
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Postby Pharthan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:41 am

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ACW Fleet.Our second most used Warship, the ACW is a beauty. Capable of 15FTL speeds and numbering weapons that would scare the living f-ck out of anyone, it is also our second strongest. Not much is known besides anyone unfortunate to meet an ACW is most likely DEAD.
The picture depicts a planet being invaded by a fleet of ACWs.

Not going to lie, that Armageddon is probably the most awesome spaceship I've seen.
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Postby Vaxon » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:09 am

Pharthan wrote:
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ACW Fleet.Our second most used Warship, the ACW is a beauty. Capable of 15FTL speeds and numbering weapons that would scare the living f-ck out of anyone, it is also our second strongest. Not much is known besides anyone unfortunate to meet an ACW is most likely DEAD.
The picture depicts a planet being invaded by a fleet of ACWs.

Not going to lie, that Armageddon is probably the most awesome spaceship I've seen.


Thanks. It's one of our more awesome ships, as it isn't too small, and it isn't too large. It's just the right size to scare people, and just as easily can be used to invade them. :D
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Postby Saurisisia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:47 am

Steampunk Mars wrote:
Asigna wrote:...For greater mobility, it is propelled by propellers at normal times, jets and rockets when needed.


You do realize that jets and rockets on a dirigible will tear themselves loose from their mountings through sheer force of thrust and leave your airship drifting on the wind, right? Big time bad idea. Stick with propellers or ducted fans.

Unless it's jet turbines powering the propellers, akin to a helicopter.
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Postby Atlantica » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:49 pm

Vaxon wrote:
ACW Fleet.Our second most used Warship, the ACW is a beauty. Capable of 15FTL speeds and numbering weapons that would scare the living f-ck out of anyone, it is also our second strongest. Not much is known besides anyone unfortunate to meet an ACW is most likely DEAD.
The picture depicts a planet being invaded by a fleet of ACWs.


These ACW's are actually one of the best spaceships I have ever seen... with these state-of-the-art speed and weapons, I think it would be enough to protect parts of a solar system... but I don't think it is good enough against a massive navy, like a Navy from a nation that rules the entire GALAXY.
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Postby Vaxon » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:10 am

Atlantica wrote:
Vaxon wrote:
ACW Fleet.Our second most used Warship, the ACW is a beauty. Capable of 15FTL speeds and numbering weapons that would scare the living f-ck out of anyone, it is also our second strongest. Not much is known besides anyone unfortunate to meet an ACW is most likely DEAD.
The picture depicts a planet being invaded by a fleet of ACWs.


These ACW's are actually one of the best spaceships I have ever seen... with these state-of-the-art speed and weapons, I think it would be enough to protect parts of a solar system... but I don't think it is good enough against a massive navy, like a Navy from a nation that rules the entire GALAXY.


*Ahem* I think our massive factories produce enough ACWs to last us quite a while. Plus, I'm bigger than you. *owns an entire Universe, 3 and a half galaxies in this one, and could always use WarHammers if necessary* And I have more tech. *Tier 0 level tech as stated in my sig-quote for the Civi. Index* as well as a huge number of people. *Type VII population; the kind that can scale the multiverse and back and still have fuel left*
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:28 pm

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These ACW's are actually one of the best spaceships I have ever seen... with these state-of-the-art speed and weapons, I think it would be enough to protect parts of a solar system... but I don't think it is good enough against a massive navy, like a Navy from a nation that rules the entire GALAXY.


*Ahem* I think our massive factories produce enough ACWs to last us quite a while. Plus, I'm bigger than you. *owns an entire Universe, 3 and a half galaxies in this one, and could always use WarHammers if necessary* And I have more tech. *Tier 0 level tech as stated in my sig-quote for the Civi. Index* as well as a huge number of people. *Type VII population; the kind that can scale the multiverse and back and still have fuel left*

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Postby Pharthan » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:06 am

Vaxon wrote:
Atlantica wrote:
These ACW's are actually one of the best spaceships I have ever seen... with these state-of-the-art speed and weapons, I think it would be enough to protect parts of a solar system... but I don't think it is good enough against a massive navy, like a Navy from a nation that rules the entire GALAXY.


*Ahem* I think our massive factories produce enough ACWs to last us quite a while. Plus, I'm bigger than you. *owns an entire Universe, 3 and a half galaxies in this one, and could always use WarHammers if necessary* And I have more tech. *Tier 0 level tech as stated in my sig-quote for the Civi. Index* as well as a huge number of people. *Type VII population; the kind that can scale the multiverse and back and still have fuel left*

The problem with the ACWs is they're obviously more designed for a post-modern human group who likely found some amazing engine/anti-gravity tech that enabled them to make space-ships (which is more or less precisely what the artist was going for, having seen that and others like it on his dA account); much of the tech still is quite apparently modern rather than FT. Most importantly - the bridge is placed along the external hull, rather than being protected, due to lack of modern advancements allowing for effective piloting of a vessel internally. It's possible, sure (even with modern ships, not having a super-fancy Secondary Conn which would rely on phonetalkers as "eyes"), but not 100% practical with video-feeds as of yet. The Explorer (or Armageddon as you call it) depicted follows those same lines.
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