Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Gallia-]

Except NATF doesn't exist, nor would it have worked.

[North Arkana]

Except NATF doesn't exist, nor would it have worked.

Except I'm not using NATF, I'm literally using a standard Raptor with the modifications needed for Carrier ops. That's it, not some separate concept project.

[Gallia-]

Except NATF doesn't exist, nor would it have worked.

Except I'm not using NATF, I'm literally using a standard Raptor with the modifications needed for Carrier ops. That's it, not some separate concept project.

What do you think NATF was lol

You'd need swing wings, strengthened gear, marinized engine components and airframe, to name a couple.

e: You can get away without swing wings, but then you need really insane big wing area: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r3t2jiW2IUc/T ... atf-23.jpg

[The Akasha Colony]

Except NATF doesn't exist, nor would it have worked.

Except I'm not using NATF, I'm literally using a standard Raptor with the modifications needed for Carrier ops. That's it, not some separate concept project.

Navalizing a design that wasn't intended for it isn't really a "simple" task. You either end up making design compromises or you end up more or less completely redesigning the aircraft so that only the general appearance remains (like F/A-18 from YF-17). Rafale doesn't count since it was always supposed to have a carrier version and was designed with this in mind, like F-35. And it cheats by not even bothering with a folding wing mechanism.

[Gallia-]

I don't know what "wasn't intended for" means tbh, navalizing any aircraft is going to end up with a plane that is quite different from its land based counterpart. Even the Rafale is quite different, which at the very least has a strengthened undercarriage, marinized alloys and materials, and probably redesigned wings or nose for better lift/sight during carrier landing. You can't just take a land based fighter and plop it on a carrier and presto! it works after all.

NATF was about as "intended" to operate from carriers as F-35, and F-35A/C aren't even closely related, with the latter being essentially a derivative comparable to the F-18 and YF-17 example you used if we look at the number of common components.

Navalization isn't an easy task in general, especially if you have an airframe that needs something like variable geometry wings or blown flaps to get enough lift to avoid falling out of the sky while catting/landing. F-35C does this by having much larger wings than either other F-35 variant, N-ATF was going to use VG or larger wings + canards, and YF-17 just happened to have enough lift that it didn't need any serious modification of the wings or anything of the sort besides folding tips.

Rafale's commonality between land and carrier-based variants is not a result of the design being "intended for" navalization, but a fairly unique result of rather close cooperation between a land and naval air arm submitting a joint RFP with the deliberate intention of leveraging economy of scale for decreased cost.

Bear in mind of course, your example of YF-17 also applies equally to YF-16, which had roughly comparable modifications between it and a production F-16. The biggest change being both prototypes having enlarged wing areas, although both fuselages were lengthened and YF-17 had its fuselage widened by a few inches.

[EsToVnIa]

I have 6 carrier groups that I can sell you for ~$15 billion each, if you're interested. Each group contains:

• 1 x Nimitz-class supercarrier:
  • 48 x F-35C
  • 24 x EA-18G EW aircraft
  • 6 x E-2 Hawkeye AEW aircraft
  • 12 x SH-60B ASW and utility helicopters
• 3 x Arleigh Burke-class DDGs
• 2 x Virginia-class SSNs

The actual value of all that is close to $24 billion going by Wikipedia, but I got them off GE&T awhile ago from someone who had no idea what they were actually worth, which is why they're so cheap.

You have F-35s that can fly? What kind of sorcery is this?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/ ... erational/

???

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

I've read recently that Soviet frogmen could parachute into enemy territory. How would an operation like this work, with retrieving the divers? And wouldn't it make their insertion less stealthy?

Also, I'm looking for a way to RP fighting Russians & the DPR in the Azov Sea, and gain an upper hand. Any ideas?

[Husseinarti]

I've read recently that Soviet frogmen could parachute into enemy territory. How would an operation like this work, with retrieving the divers? And wouldn't it make their insertion less stealthy?

Also, I'm looking for a way to RP fighting Russians & the DPR in the Azov Sea, and gain an upper hand. Any ideas?

>Ukrainians
>Upper hand against Russians

pick one

[Mitheldalond]

How does this sound for a WWII destroyer? I don't have any fancy drawings yet, so I'll just use a Gearing for reference, since OOC it is based off the Gearing-class (IC it has nothing to do with the Gearing).

It has 4 quintuple-torpedo tubes, one behind the aft stack and one in place of the aft 5"/38 turret; the other two are the same as in the picture. The two dual 40mm mounts on either side of the forward smokestack are changed to quad mounts, with another quad mount 40mm on top of the bridge in front of the 5" gun director (which is moved a little bit further aft to make room). There is a dual 40mm mount on each side of the superstructure between torpedo mounts 2 and 3. There are four 20mm Oerlikons on the stern instead of three, another 4 on platforms by the second smokestack, and four on bridge structure as shown in the image. The depth charge throwers along the side are replaced with 12 trainable Hedgehog mortars, 6 on the deck on either side of the superstructure, 4 in front of the twin 40mm mounts and 2 behind. The forward 5"/38s are the same as in the image.

In total, it is armed with 4 5"/38s in twin turrets, 20 torpedo tubes, 16 40mm Bofors, 12 20mm Oerlikons, 12 Hedgehogs, and 2 depth charge rails at the stern.

*coughs*

[Husseinarti]

Mitigate risk by scrapping an aircraft that exists and replacing it with one that exists only on paper.

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Are you a certified DOD acquisition expert by any chance?

F-35s are still plagued by bugs of various types. Using an existing, working airframe seemed like a more logical choice.

Because aircraft totally have never had any teething problems ever!

Right on man, the F-35 is such a shitty aircraft were should just use them for target drones LOL

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

I've read recently that Soviet frogmen could parachute into enemy territory. How would an operation like this work, with retrieving the divers? And wouldn't it make their insertion less stealthy?

Also, I'm looking for a way to RP fighting Russians & the DPR in the Azov Sea, and gain an upper hand. Any ideas?

>Ukrainians
>Upper hand against Russians

pick one

I am more looking to take on the Dontesk People's Republi's Dontesk Flotilla of boghammers, and am trying to find the best way to do it. The DPR are Russian Proxy's, but not the same thing as Russia. However I sometimes lump the two together.

What about my frogman question?

[Gallia-]

A handful of frigates would kill any Boghammars with 3"/62 guns and helicopters.

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

Indeed they could, but Ukraine cannot transit a frigate\corvette(s) through the Kerch Straight right now without being plastered with AShM's. The Sea Gaurd's Zuhk class are a 1:1 match, if a bit more weatherly, with Boghammers, having 2 .50 cal MG's in a forward turret (and probably MANPADS too). I think perhaps a naval helicopter strike might be called for, with the border guard running interference.

I was exploring the frogmen as a way to conduct Hybrid Warfare as I know the Ukrainian Navy cannot stand up to Russia on it's own, and frogmen are plausibly deniable. But I think it is impossible to properly deliver them, really, without Russia noticing, at least at the range they would need to be delivered.

[North Arkana]

Bah... I guess my carriers will just be carrying the F/A-36 Corsairs and F/A-46 Tempests from my factbook...

[Abasgia]

The Abasgian Navy is the second smallest branch of the Abasgian Armed Forces, with a peacetime strength of just 748 men. The Anasgian Navy is commanded by Cpt. Raul Bagapsh, whose staff oversees four subordinate commands, each with its own area of responsibility:

- The Abasgian Naval Infantry Battalion is the largest command, by manpower, with a peacetime strength of 382 men. The Naval Infantry Battalion serves as a reserve force for the defense of the Abasgian coastline, and provides supplimental manpower for other Navy commands during normal patrol operation. In the event of a conflict with Georgia, the Naval Infantry Battalion will be called upon to provide amphibious capabilities to the armed forces, and to spearhead a crossing of the central Egry River. It is based in the town of Gulripshi, and its commander is KptLt. Beslan Khashba.

- The Black Sea Squadron is the second largest of the Navy's commands, with a peacetime strength of 268 men. The Black Sea Squadron is tasked with maratime patrol, search and rescue, and EEZ and fisheries protection within Abasgia's territorial waters. It operates two Project 10412-class Patrol Boats purchased from Russia in 2011, as well as two ex-Russian Project 1398-class Small Patrol Boats provided to Abasgia in the mid 1990s, and one Project 12260-class Motor Boat, purchased from Russia in 2012. Two ex-Russian support vessels, a Project 737K-class Harbor Tug and a Project 338M-class Harbor Boat, are also in service, as well as two Crowline-180 Motor Boats purchased from western suppliers in 2005. The Black Sea Squadron is also outfitted with the Navy's only aircraft, a Kamov Ka27PS Search and Rescue Helicopter purchased from Russia in 2000. The Black Sea Squadron's main strength is based in Sukhumi, while the Project 12260 operates from Gudauta, and its helicopter from New Athos. Its commander is KptLt. Ivan Zhdanov.

- The Egry River Squadron is the second smallest naval command, with just 71 men during peacetime. As the name implies, the Squadron operates on the Egry River and is tasked with the patrol and defense of the Abasgia-Georgia border, which follows the river between Anaklia and the Egry Dam. It is equipped with three Project 1204-class Patrol Boats, the Navy's first warships provided by Russia in 1993, as well as one ex-Russian Project 1398-class Small Patrol Boat purchased in 1998. The Egry River Squadron is based in Anaklia, and its commander is KptLt. Sergei Chachba.

- The Naval Training School consists of just 20 men, and one UK3-class Training Ship. The commander of the Naval Training School is Lt. Iakub Gogua, and it is based in Sukhumi.

[OOC: Nothing fancy here, but I'd appreciate input if I'm missing anything. The basic idea is a more independent/populous/successful version of the Republic of Abkhazia, so I am building a navy for a nation of 421,000 with necessarily strong ties to Russia, hence the size and equipment.]

[Just russia]

I have narrowed it down too three options for main guns

http://i.imgur.com/4VwVuew.png

Option One: Superior Muscle Velocity, and Turn Degrees Per Second, Cheaper

Option Two: More Seclusion from radar

Option Three: More "Firepower" per salvo, Superior Fire Rate

Considering the low RCS mount is just a metal box sitting on the deck, I don't see why you can't have all these features in one gun.

I would agree with you on why not all three options. But If I were to choose one, I would choose option 1 because attacks from long range would suprise your enemy.

[Just russia]

I have narrowed it down too three options for main guns

http://i.imgur.com/4VwVuew.png

Option One: Superior Muscle Velocity, and Turn Degrees Per Second, Cheaper

Option Two: More Seclusion from radar

Option Three: More "Firepower" per salvo, Superior Fire Rate

Considering the low RCS mount is just a metal box sitting on the deck, I don't see why you can't have all these features in one gun.

I would agree with you on why not all three options. But If I were to choose one, I would choose option 1 because attacks from long range would suprise your enemy.

[Husseinarti]

Indeed they could, but Ukraine cannot transit a frigate\corvette(s) through the Kerch Straight right now without being plastered with AShM's. The Sea Gaurd's Zuhk class are a 1:1 match, if a bit more weatherly, with Boghammers, having 2 .50 cal MG's in a forward turret (and probably MANPADS too). I think perhaps a naval helicopter strike might be called for, with the border guard running interference.

I was exploring the frogmen as a way to conduct Hybrid Warfare as I know the Ukrainian Navy cannot stand up to Russia on it's own, and frogmen are plausibly deniable. But I think it is impossible to properly deliver them, really, without Russia noticing, at least at the range they would need to be delivered.

Why not just submit a formal request to the Russians for them to annex the Ukraine.

Then they can ' treat' a those assholes who still think that the SS was a good thing.

[Palakistan]

What is your perferred warship for coastal bombardment?

[Laywenrania]

What is your perferred warship for coastal bombardment?

In 2000-ish?

[New Oyashima]

What is your perferred warship for coastal bombardment?

Ise-class.

Otherwise? Any sub that launches Trident at Gayla.

[The Kievan People]

What is your perferred warship for coastal bombardment?

Nimitz.

[Palakistan]

What is your perferred warship for coastal bombardment?

Ise-class.

Otherwise? Any sub that launches Trident at Gayla.

Ok. @other dude, 2015 ish.

[Laywenrania]

Depends on what specifically you want to do.
Bashing enemy beach before landing? Ropucha-class.
General fire support? Anything with a gun mounted on it and SAMs.
Precision Strikes, probably Project 914.^^

[Palakistan]

Depends on what specifically you want to do.
Bashing enemy beach before landing? Ropucha-class.
General fire support? Anything with a gun mounted on it and SAMs.
Precision Strikes, probably Project 914.^^

Would a Arleigh Burke class destroyer, Santa Maria Class Frigate, or Ticonderoga Class Cruiser be able to attack land?