Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Husseinarti]

Does this sound reasonable for a CVV air wing?

20 x Model 1602
10 x Super Etendard
4 x EA-6B
4 x notEV-22
8 x notV-22

CVV is being operated purely as a CVA with ASW roles being handled by an ASW carrier that would be in the battle group.

You could replace the 1602 and SE with F/A-18s and get better results.

dont replace SE

then i can't charge you for stuff D:

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

Reading up on their specs, you do seem to be right, the CB-90 has splinter protection and I think the profile might be lower as well. And it is built to NATO spec, which Ukraine is inching towards meeting (though if they are even half complaint they'll be better than before.). Of course, weapons export issues abound, if the CB-90 where to be acquired it would have to be unarmed, and I'm not sure what the legal trouble might be. On the other hand, the manufacturer does have a ex-Norwegian Navy, and then civilian work boat CB90N for sale... I think a military trail run is in order .

I'm thinking a DKsH & PK as armament to start off. I wonder if a ZU 23mm twin cannon mount that every post Soviet state seems to have oodles of would fit?

[Husseinarti]

Reading up on their specs, you do seem to be right, the CB-90 has splinter protection and I think the profile might be lower as well. And it is built to NATO spec, which Ukraine is inching towards meeting (though if they are even half complaint they'll be better than before.). Of course, weapons export issues abound, if the CB-90 where to be acquired it would have to be unarmed, and I'm not sure what the legal trouble might be. On the other hand, the manufacturer does have a ex-Norwegian Navy, and then civilian work boat CB90N for sale... I think a military trail run is in order .

Then the glorious incompetence that is the Ukrainian Armed Forces would end up losing it to the rebels.

[Gallia-]

Reading up on their specs, you do seem to be right, the CB-90 has splinter protection and I think the profile might be lower as well. And it is built to NATO spec, which Ukraine is inching towards meeting (though if they are even half complaint they'll be better than before.). Of course, weapons export issues abound, if the CB-90 where to be acquired it would have to be unarmed, and I'm not sure what the legal trouble might be. On the other hand, the manufacturer does have a ex-Norwegian Navy, and then civilian work boat CB90N for sale... I think a military trail run is in order .

I'm thinking a DKsH & PK as armament to start off. I wonder if a ZU 23mm twin cannon mount that every post Soviet state seems to have oodles of would fit?

perhaps, but it would probably be like the amos/120mm cb90 and eat up half the ship

a fire support boat mb

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

Husseinarti: How? We'd be testing it near Mariupol, which the Rebel are nowhere near. I invite you to watch me RP them, if you wish.
Gallia: Oh yeah, good point. I was thinking about top weight and fire arcs so much I forgot about scaling. If I'm reading WIKI right the ZU-23-2 is 10ft long and the boat is 52 ft topside, so that's a fifth of the length.

[EsToVnIa]

You could replace the 1602 and SE with F/A-18s and get better results.

dont replace SE

then i can't charge you for stuff D:

i mean super retard is cool and all, but would they be used in place of something like the A-6 or a more lighter attack fighter like the A-7?

not that it really matters since i guess america emmeria can't have a complete monopoly on my naval air arm :c

[Gallia-]

Husseinarti: How? We'd be testing it near Mariupol, which the Rebel are nowhere near. I invite you to watch me RP them, if you wish.
Gallia: Oh yeah, good point. I was thinking about top weight and fire arcs so much I forgot about scaling. If I'm reading WIKI right the ZU-23-2 is 10ft long and the boat is 52 ft topside, so that's a fifth of the length.

no i mean you wouldnt have a lot of places to put it besides on top of the troop compartment

at that point you might as well enclose it and have an integrated turret or something

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

Yeah, I figured that it would be mounted aft, on top of the troop compartment. Idk about a turret as it might cause stability issues, and of course the problem with aft facing AA armaments is limited firing arcs (see what happened to DeRuyter in WW2). I'm mainly looking to use the boat as it was originally intended, half patrol boat half landing craft.

[Gallia-]

Yeah, I figured that it would be mounted aft, on top of the troop compartment. Idk about a turret as it might cause stability issues, and of course the problem with aft facing AA armaments is limited firing arcs (see what happened to DeRuyter in WW2). I'm mainly looking to use the boat as it was originally intended, half patrol boat half landing craft.

i cant imagine using it for AAA a stinger would be far better

i thought this was for like counter ambush or sth

[Husseinarti]

dont replace SE

then i can't charge you for stuff D:

i mean super retard is cool and all, but would they be used in place of something like the A-6 or a more lighter attack fighter like the A-7?

not that it really matters since i guess america emmeria can't have a complete monopoly on my naval air arm :c

buy

more

rafale

pls

:>>>>>>>

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

Yeah, I figured that it would be mounted aft, on top of the troop compartment. Idk about a turret as it might cause stability issues, and of course the problem with aft facing AA armaments is limited firing arcs (see what happened to DeRuyter in WW2). I'm mainly looking to use the boat as it was originally intended, half patrol boat half landing craft.

i cant imagine using it for AAA a stinger would be far better

i thought this was for like counter ambush or sth

Well, yeah, something like that. High speed commando style raiding mainly, with good strategic mobility. Good point on the MANPADs, Strela's would have that part covered. Is there a significant difference between the NSV and DShK heavy machine guns? Which is more common in Ukraine?

[Gallia-]

i cant imagine using it for AAA a stinger would be far better

i thought this was for like counter ambush or sth

Well, yeah, something like that. High speed commando style raiding mainly, with good strategic mobility. Good point on the MANPADs, Strela's would have that part covered. Is there a significant difference between the NSV and DShK heavy machine guns? Which is more common in Ukraine?

NSV is like 10 kg lighter it probably doesn't matter.

[EsToVnIa]

i mean super retard is cool and all, but would they be used in place of something like the A-6 or a more lighter attack fighter like the A-7?

not that it really matters since i guess america emmeria can't have a complete monopoly on my naval air arm :c

buy

more

rafale

pls

:>>>>>>>

i mean no even though rafale would be like 100x better than using Model 1603s

[Gallia-]

it would be liek 1.5x

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

Well, yeah, something like that. High speed commando style raiding mainly, with good strategic mobility. Good point on the MANPADs, Strela's would have that part covered. Is there a significant difference between the NSV and DShK heavy machine guns? Which is more common in Ukraine?

NSV is like 10 kg lighter it probably doesn't matter.

OK. I'll probably leave it as simply 12.7mm MG's, and it can be fitted with whichever happens to be at hand.

[EsToVnIa]

i imagine it would be just like upgrading to like Super Hornet, yes?

[Gig em Aggies]

http://shortiesimages.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=199256279
http://shortiesimages.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=199266674

Notice: I did not actually draw these ships but pieces are from crazyhorse (British Queen Elizabeth Class) Bagera3005 (Zumwalt DDG-1000) & Thiel (X-Bow/Waverider Class carrier)

Top: is the GANS Reveille IX a light VTOL carrier equipped w/ F-35b's and Helicopters.
Design: I used two DDG-1000 zumwalts and a island bridge from an British vtol carrier. I then copied f-35's from and helicopters from the same British ship onto the flight deck.

Bottom: is the GANS Lawerence Sullivan Ross a helicopter carrier equipped w/ manned and unmanned helicopters for support and transport of ground troops.

[Velkanika]

http://shortiesimages.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=199256279
http://shortiesimages.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=199266674

Notice: I did not actually draw these

Top: is the GANS Reveille IX a light VTOL carrier equipped w/ F-35b's and Helicopters.
Design: I used two DDG-1000 zumwalts and a island bridge from an British vtol carrier. I then copied f-35's from and helicopters from the same British ship onto the flight deck.

Bottom: is the GANS Lawerence Sullivan Ross a helicopter carrier equipped w/ manned and unmanned helicopters for support and transport of ground troops.

There are so many problems with those designs I'm not certain where to begin. Long story short, those designs are physically impossible and you should start over from scratch instead of violating the Ship Bucket terms of use by failing to attribute the work of all the artists who drew the components and aircraft you used.

[Gig em Aggies]

http://shortiesimages.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=199256279
http://shortiesimages.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=199266674

Notice: I did not actually draw these

Top: is the GANS Reveille IX a light VTOL carrier equipped w/ F-35b's and Helicopters.
Design: I used two DDG-1000 zumwalts and a island bridge from an British vtol carrier. I then copied f-35's from and helicopters from the same British ship onto the flight deck.

Bottom: is the GANS Lawerence Sullivan Ross a helicopter carrier equipped w/ manned and unmanned helicopters for support and transport of ground troops.

There are so many problems with those designs I'm not certain where to begin. Long story short, those designs are physically impossible and you should start over from scratch instead of violating the Ship Bucket terms of use by failing to attribute the work of all the artists who drew the components and aircraft you used.

Well it would help if you told me what you think is wrong with them instead of just saying their are so many things wrong.

[The Akasha Colony]

There are so many problems with those designs I'm not certain where to begin. Long story short, those designs are physically impossible and you should start over from scratch instead of violating the Ship Bucket terms of use by failing to attribute the work of all the artists who drew the components and aircraft you used.

Well it would help if you told me what you think is wrong with them instead of just saying their are so many things wrong.

First, fix your scaling. It's way off, which makes any attempt at evaluation impossible. For instance, on the first one, your planes are too tall to fit into the hangar doors you have toward the rear of the ship. The windows are also almost as tall as your planes, and you seem to be lacking, um, engines. There are also a lot of lines that seem to go nowhere that need to be cleaned up, but there may be an image scaling problem that makes them get dropped. If you can find an image host that doesn't confine it to a webpage view (direct link is ideal), that'd be much better.

The second one would probably push itself under the waves if it tried to go anywhere. The bow just doesn't work.

[Empire of Gibraltar]

~200 BC: Gibraltarian Trimarine: A Trimarine, modeled after the Roman Trimarine. It was adapted for open water with a large main sail and a secondary sail.
1830: Juana Class Steam Boat: Gibraltar was very quick to experiment with Steam technology, they took a successful War Frigate and attached a small steam engine. It's a success and is very innovative in the navy.
1870: Tangeira Class Steam Destroyer: After the Turret innovation in the American Civil War. A boat was built with two of these turrets and was the first Gibraltarian ship to go into the Atlantic without a sail.
1905: Juan Class Diesel Destroyer: Known as the first modern Gibraltarian ship class. They have WWI style guns and large torpedo tubes. These fought in WWI when the Gibraltarians supported Germany, but it couldn't stop the might of the British Navy.
Skip WWII used American designs.
1970: Gibraltar Class Nuclear Destroyer: After sympathy from the French who were longtime allies, and to a lesser extent America. It has modern Electronics, Weapons Systems, and Efficient Hull Design. It allows it to break the speed record for a military vessel of its size. Breaking in at 34 Knots when pushed the reactor to its highest safe levels without risk.

[Vancon]

Nifty

[Allentyr]

http://i.imgur.com/bjMRiv3.png

Anything too wrong with this design? I won't clutter with a stat block, but it's meant to replace most of my supercarriers because I'm slashing the carrier fleet to become more defense-oriented.

Yes, I know there's a severe lack of anti-ship weapons since there's only four 57mm guns (two on each side).

[Crookfur]

Well it would help if you told me what you think is wrong with them instead of just saying their are so many things wrong.

First, fix your scaling. It's way off, which makes any attempt at evaluation impossible. For instance, on the first one, your planes are too tall to fit into the hangar doors you have toward the rear of the ship. The windows are also almost as tall as your planes, and you seem to be lacking, um, engines. There are also a lot of lines that seem to go nowhere that need to be cleaned up, but there may be an image scaling problem that makes them get dropped. If you can find an image host that doesn't confine it to a webpage view (direct link is ideal), that'd be much better.

The second one would probably push itself under the waves if it tried to go anywhere. The bow just doesn't work.

IIRC its supposed to be a Ulstein X-bow design, which do work.

Its also quite a nasty mdoficiation of Thiel's waverider class from shipbucket.


Gig em Aggies: You may not be aware of this but the folks at shipbucket understandably get very upset when you take thier stuff and don't retain or ignore thier crediting standards.
I know you day you didn't draw these but I would be very pissied if you took some of my work and made the minimal changes you have done before claiming them as your nations' product. I'm not sure if Thiel is active on NS or what his nation might be if he is but you are definitely in mod actionable plagarism territory here if he is and he chooses to make an issue of it.

On the Gans reveille, if you can't see the fact the hull it no where near tall/deep enough or that a single thin "deck" with no real support, that honestly makes the famously under strength and spindly new Southern general helipad look rhobust and well designed, simply won't support 1, let alone multiple heavy helicopters, then the best advice is to simply go away and spend a lot more time looking at actual carriers. Trying multideck operations can be forgiven as many people think they are being new and original with the concept without realising that its been tried several tiems IRL and in all cases it was a horrible failure that was quickly abandonded.

[Crookfur]

http://i.imgur.com/bjMRiv3.png

Anything too wrong with this design? I won't clutter with a stat block, but it's meant to replace most of my supercarriers because I'm slashing the carrier fleet to become more defense-oriented.

Yes, I know there's a severe lack of anti-ship weapons since there's only four 57mm guns (two on each side).

not hugely, there does seem to be some odd scling issues going on with some of the radars and the dows and doors on the bridge are gigantic for some reason.

I don't really see the point in the 57mm guns since you have CIWS and any anti-shipping work would be done by your aircraft. You could be better repalcing them with some SHORAD SAMs like sea sparrow or even just RAM launchers.