Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Gallia-]

It's already "aviation oriented".

[New Oyashima]

Okay Gayla, you can answer me.

[Gallia-]

Helicopters and deck guns.

[New Oyashima]

Helicopters and deck guns.

Spooky

[Gallia-]

Helicopters and deck guns.

Spooky

Well "helicopters".

Any flying object beats any small floating object.

In further combat, A-6s sank one Bodghammer high-speed patrol boats and neutralized four more of the speedboats.

"The air wing from Enterprise did a superb job taking on the Bodghammers," said Perkins.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=73436

[EsToVnIa]

Currently I'm using a mix of Sea Control Ships and the 32,000 ton model VSTOL Support Ships (3 SCS to 4 VSS).

According to Janes's the 32,000 ton VSS would support 50 aircraft, which I've broken down into 28 fixed wing, 3 Super Seasprite with LAMPS II, and 14 Sea Kings for general ASW purpose.

So with that, I'm unsure as to what a modern air wing for the 32,000 ton VSS would include. Jane's said it would have one of the VSTOL models, S-3, and A-7, but I'd imagine this would be for when it would be introduced.

I'm planning on keeping the S-3 (would I need the Super Seasprite?), and currently use Convair Model 200s. I'm just wondering what other fixed-wing aircraft I would need?

[The Soodean Imperium]

Currently, the Ukranian Marines are moving from motorized infantry vehicles, BTR-80s, to US supplied Humvees, and so I think right now that makes them more of light infantry than mechanized infantry. They are in transition, obviously, due to the war in Donbas, and things are a bit doctrinally mixed up.

I was interested in Zubr class LCAC's due to their giving me access to 70% of all beeches in the world, along with my previously stated purposes. However, it appears that these vehicles have too small a range for my purposes and along with the noise and cost issues previously stated, this makes them unsuitable.

My vision is to transform the corp into a long range raiding force. For this reason, as excellent a raiding craft as the CB-90 is I think it is not what I am looking for. I may test it in combat, anyhow, to see the results.

My new concept of sea basing is founded on the use of Ukraine's current landing ship, the Kirovograd, which can carry 8 BTR's. For a seas basing mission, however, I would probably reduce the number of BTR-80's in favor of more embarked supplies. The Kirvograd would carry two 11m patrol boats on her existing lifeboat davits, and also embark a helicopter on her bare fore deck (as she does not have a helipad). Idk if the latter would work, please advise. In my view, then, the Kirvograd would become a mother ship rather than taking part in direct assaults, hopefully with better results.

That said, I would like to have the capability to land a small number of troops from a long range naval platform with high speed and low cost. A derivitave of a civil high speed ferry may be in order. I've condsidered diverging from reality and employing a A-90 Orlyonok Erokanoplan but I suspect this would be dead meat in any warzone, even when it was brand new. And expensive as sin to boot.

If you're looking at "long range raiding," the Zubr is definitely a no-go; Zubr is enormous, and I shudder at the thought of what kind of well deck you would need to fit one inside a larger ship. In Soviet doctrine, Zubr and A-90 are meant to "leapfrog" along the coast and land detachments of mechanized troops behind enemy lines, often within a confined sea - a role in which long independent travel range and ability to operate from a "mothership" are less valuable. For long-range expeditionary warfare, you want something more like an LPD, LHD, or LSD, which can carry CB90s (or smaller LCACs) inside.

[Gallia-]

Currently I'm using a mix of Sea Control Ships and the 32,000 ton model VSTOL Support Ships (3 SCS to 4 VSS).

According to Janes's the 32,000 ton VSS would support 50 aircraft, which I've broken down into 28 fixed wing, 3 Super Seasprite with LAMPS II, and 14 Sea Kings for general ASW purpose.

So with that, I'm unsure as to what a modern air wing for the 32,000 ton VSS would include. Jane's said it would have one of the VSTOL models, S-3, and A-7, but I'd imagine this would be for when it would be introduced.

I'm planning on keeping the S-3 (would I need the Super Seasprite?), and currently use Convair Model 200s. I'm just wondering what other fixed-wing aircraft I would need?

nothing but V-22 might be useful

get rid of sea sprite it's useless use sh-60 or better aw101

[EsToVnIa]

Anemos and I have been talking on irc and suggests that using the SCS as a ASW-purpose (a.k.a ditching the 3 Harriers it would have) carrier and using the 32k ton VSS as a light carrier or thereabouts by just using all fixed wing. Though, I feel like if I do this, I might be better off just building CVV since (at least from the shipbucket picture) it doesn't look like the two C-13 catapults could be used simultaneously.

Okay I could probably get AS565 or something

[New Oyashima]

So if Mutsu was just sailing around and a wild Tirpitz appears, who wins?

[New Vihenia]

So if Mutsu was just sailing around and a wild Tirpitz appears, who wins?

The one having bigger boobs :3

[New Oyashima]

So if Mutsu was just sailing around and a wild Tirpitz appears, who wins?

The one having bigger boobs :3

Mutsu it is then. She's the best BB after Yamashiro and Fusou :3

[Gallia-]

tirpitz probably had the better radars tbh

mutsu would have a smaller iz than tirpitz too i guess since it had less armour and Tirpz had better guns

[The Kievan People]

So if Mutsu was just sailing around and a wild Tirpitz appears, who wins?

USN dive bombers sink them both.

[Gallia-]

So if Mutsu was just sailing around and a wild Tirpitz appears, who wins?

USN dive bombers sink them both.

realism.bmp

[New Oyashima]

USN dive bombers sink them both.

realism.bmp

I wish they'd nerf them in patch WW3 :c

[Husseinarti]

So if Mutsu was just sailing around and a wild Tirpitz appears, who wins?

the one whose nation didn't get nuked

[New Oyashima]

So if Mutsu was just sailing around and a wild Tirpitz appears, who wins?

the one whose nation didn't get nuked

Iowa it is then.

[EsToVnIa]

Does this sound reasonable for a CVV air wing?

20 x Model 1602
10 x Super Etendard
4 x EA-6B
4 x notEV-22
8 x notV-22

CVV is being operated purely as a CVA with ASW roles being handled by an ASW carrier that would be in the battle group.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Does this sound reasonable for a CVV air wing?

20 x Model 1602
10 x Super Etendard
4 x EA-6B
4 x notEV-22
8 x notV-22

CVV is being operated purely as a CVA with ASW roles being handled by an ASW carrier that would be in the battle group.

You could replace the 1602 and SE with F/A-18s and get better results.

[EsToVnIa]

Yeah that's what I figured but I have a soft spot for 1602.

Would it be possible to replace the SE with the F-14 or is the CVV to small to operate them?

[Dostanuot Loj]

Yeah that's what I figured but I have a soft spot for 1602.

Would it be possible to replace the SE with the F-14 or is the CVV to small to operate them?

Too small. Well, technicly. You can operate them but you will have an airgroup of almost nothing but F-14s to get enough airframes to do anything.
I toyed with the idea a while ago.

That said, 1602 should cover the SE's roles as well.

[EsToVnIa]

Ah yeah, I was gonna make an edit asking that.

[The Ukrainian Navy and Sea Guard]

Currently, the Ukranian Marines are moving from motorized infantry vehicles, BTR-80s, to US supplied Humvees, and so I think right now that makes them more of light infantry than mechanized infantry. They are in transition, obviously, due to the war in Donbas, and things are a bit doctrinally mixed up.

I was interested in Zubr class LCAC's due to their giving me access to 70% of all beeches in the world, along with my previously stated purposes. However, it appears that these vehicles have too small a range for my purposes and along with the noise and cost issues previously stated, this makes them unsuitable.

My vision is to transform the corp into a long range raiding force. For this reason, as excellent a raiding craft as the CB-90 is I think it is not what I am looking for. I may test it in combat, anyhow, to see the results.

My new concept of sea basing is founded on the use of Ukraine's current landing ship, the Kirovograd, which can carry 8 BTR's. For a seas basing mission, however, I would probably reduce the number of BTR-80's in favor of more embarked supplies. The Kirvograd would carry two 11m patrol boats on her existing lifeboat davits, and also embark a helicopter on her bare fore deck (as she does not have a helipad). Idk if the latter would work, please advise. In my view, then, the Kirvograd would become a mother ship rather than taking part in direct assaults, hopefully with better results.

That said, I would like to have the capability to land a small number of troops from a long range naval platform with high speed and low cost. A derivitave of a civil high speed ferry may be in order. I've condsidered diverging from reality and employing a A-90 Orlyonok Erokanoplan but I suspect this would be dead meat in any warzone, even when it was brand new. And expensive as sin to boot.

CB90 can be operated from a mothership fine tbh.

I don't know how you'd operate a Zubr from an LST. You'd have to get close enough to open the bow doors I guess, since it doesn't have a well deck, and that's exceedingly dangerous. If you're using the Zubr alongside the LST, you are limited to low sea states of inland seas, or having some other means of transporting the hovercraft, but it keeps the LST out of harm's way.

This is a OK interim solution, but in the end you will need a purpose built amphibious helicopter dock on the order of Juan Carlos I or HMS Ocean. You will also want more than one helicopter ultimately. Like three or four.

I have never intended to operate a Zubr from my LST, but rather to use it as an one to one replacement. which is probably equally impracticle. What do you think about the Philippine Multi-Purpose Attack Craft (MPAC), compared to the CB-90? I heard they were built in Taiwan, and a deal might be plausible between the shipyard and the PRC for sale to us. Also, what Ukrainian\Russian weapons would be a good fit for mounting on a CB-90\MPAC?

[Gallia-]

CB90 can be operated from a mothership fine tbh.

I don't know how you'd operate a Zubr from an LST. You'd have to get close enough to open the bow doors I guess, since it doesn't have a well deck, and that's exceedingly dangerous. If you're using the Zubr alongside the LST, you are limited to low sea states of inland seas, or having some other means of transporting the hovercraft, but it keeps the LST out of harm's way.

This is a OK interim solution, but in the end you will need a purpose built amphibious helicopter dock on the order of Juan Carlos I or HMS Ocean. You will also want more than one helicopter ultimately. Like three or four.

I have never intended to operate a Zubr from my LST, but rather to use it as an one to one replacement. which is probably equally impracticle. What do you think about the Philippine Multi-Purpose Attack Craft (MPAC), compared to the CB-90? I heard they were built in Taiwan, and a deal might be plausible between the shipyard and the PRC for sale to us. Also, what Ukrainian\Russian weapons would be a good fit for mounting on a CB-90\MPAC?

I don't know anything about mPAC. It doesn't look as protected as CB90 at a glance.

Ukraine/Russia weapons would be like, AGS-17 and PKs or DShKs I guess.