Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Mitheldalond]

Speaking of Shipbucket, here's my first attempts at it. I mostly just switched around weapons and radar and stuff on existing ships. They're supposed to be WWII ships brought up as close to modern warships as possible, for whatever reason.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4zxfv930xdbnm ... G.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5ixl8y719d20 ... ng?dl=0&m=
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w10js5fo00dck ... .png?dl=0l

Am I doing it right?

[Yukonastan]

For fuck's sake am I invisible or some shit?

Let's try this again.

I've been working on my expeditionary navy, and I'd really appreciate if someone more knowledgeable of such things could give it a once-over and tell me if my reasoning is, well, reasonable. Right now it's got 48 ships.

C100 - YEFN Midnight
C101 - Unnamed
C102 - Unnamed
C103 - Unnamed

A114 - Unnamed
A115 - Unnamed

F170 - YEFN Faragut
F171 - Unnamed
F172 - Unnamed
F173 - YEFN Amber Peace
F174 - Unnamed
F175 - Unnamed
F176 - Unnamed
F177 - YEFN Tidal Princess
F178 - Unnamed
F179 - Unnamed

G180 - Unnamed
G181 - Unnamed
G182 - Unnamed
G183 - Unnamed

S200 - YEFN Moonlit Waters
S201 - YEFN Deep Nights
S202 - Unnamed
S203 - Unnamed
S204 - Unnamed
S205 - Unnamed
S206 - Unnamed
S207 - Unnamed

S250 - Unnamed
S251 - Unnamed

B320 - Unnamed
B321 - Unnamed

D400 - Unnamed
D402 - Unnamed
D404 - YEFN Northern Skies
D406 - Unnamed
D408 - Unnamed
D410 - Unnamed
D412 - Unnamed
D414 - Unnamed
D416 - Unnamed
D418 - Unnamed
D420 - YEFN Aurora
D422 - Unnamed

R500 - YEFN Long Dreams
R501 - YEFN Long Hopes
R502 - YEFN Long Nights
R503 - YEFN Long Winds

With regards to names; only ships that have been in RPs have names ('cause I'm lazy)

The idea behind the current balance of force for my navy is that I can have two task fleets plus some ships in port or in drydock. Now, I don't have any carriers per sé, so I base my task fleet around one guided missile battlecruiser.

Task Force 1
(1) Battlecruiser
(1) Attack submarine
(2) Frigates
(2) Destroyers
(1) Underway replenishment ship

Task Force 2 - Optional
(1) Battlecruiser
(1) Attack submarine
(2) Frigates
(2) Destroyers
(1) Underway replenishment ship

Optionally the following additional elements may be picked and chosen from.
(1) Heavy aviation cruiser
(2) Attack submarines
(1) Guided missile submarine
(2) Air defense frigates
(1) Underway replenishment ship

This results in a task fleet of anywhere from 7 to 22 ships.

As an example: In a roleplay I was recently engaged in, I had the following deployed.

TF Alpha - Was underway, never arrived in theatre. I pulled out before then.
- YEFN Midnight C100, battlecruiser
- YEFN Deep Nights S201, attack submarine
- YEFN Tidal Princess F177, escort frigate
- YEFN Amber Peace F173, escort frigate
- YEFN Northern Snows D404, escort destroyer
- YEFN Aurora D420, escort destroyer
- YEFN Long Hopes R501, underway replenishment ship

Additional elements that happened to be in theatre until I left
- YEFN Faragut F170, escort frigate
- YEFN Moonlit Waters S200, attack submarine

Question here is, does the balance of escorts for such a ship make sense, or no?

As for ship designs... Well, I have the battlecruiser and escort frigate somewhat mostly complete barring lineart.

Class overview
Builders: Krupper-Thyssen Shipyards
Operators: Yukonastan Defense Force Navy, Yukonastan Expeditionary Force Navy
Built: 1978 – 1995
In service: From 1985
Planned: 12
Completed: 12
Cancelled: 0
Active: 8 (1 undergoing modernization)
Laid up: 1
Retired: 2

General characteristics
Type: Heavy guided missile cruiser/battlecruiser
Displacement: 19 500 tons standard, 25 000 (full load)
Length: 220 m
Beam: 25 m
Draft: 7 m
Propulsion: 2-shaft combined nuclear and gas turbine propulsion, 2x MN-2 marine nuclear reactors with 2x gas turbine engines
120,000 shp (86,000 kW)
Speed: 32knots (59 km/h)
Range: 1,200 nautical miles (2,000 km) at 32 knots (59 km/h) (combined propulsion),
unlimited at 20 knots (37 km/h) on nuclear power
Complement: 650

Sensors and processing systems:
Radars:

• 1x 6 MW combat system radar, bridge structure.
• 2x 3D tracking radar, foremast.
• 1x navigation radar, foremast.

Sonar:

• 1x towed array sonar, 2km line, stern.
• 1x bow sonar

Electronic warfare and decoys:

• 2x 8rd decoy launchers, 128 reloads carried.
• 1x 4MW radar jammer/spoofer, rear mast.

Armament:
Missiles:

• 128x angled VLS cells (500x500 mm, 7m long), two large and two small batteries. No reloads carried.
• 8x mid-range SAM launchers (250x250 mm, 5 m long), two batteries. 64 reloads carried.
• 2x 32-cell mid-range point defense missile launchers, 256 reloads carried.

Guns:

• 1x quick-fire 155 mm high velocity howitzer, 500 rounds carried.
• 2x Close-In Weapons Systems, 24 mm rotary cannon, 12 000 rounds carried.
• 12x 14.5 mm machine guns, 180 000 rounds carried.

Torpedoes and others:

• 2x 500 mm AS(u)W torpedo launchers, 24 reloads carried.
• 4x 425 mm AS(u)W rocket launchers, 48 reloads carried.

Armour: 100 mm plating around reactor compartment, 50mm plating around CIC, light splinter protection
Aircraft carried: 2 helicopters, space for 2 more on deck.
Aviation facilities: Hangar on deck

Class overview
Builders: Krupper-Thyssen Shipyards
Operators: Yukonastan Defense Force Navy, Yukonastan Expeditionary Force Navy
Built: 1982 – 2001
In service: From 1985
Planned: 40
Completed: 36
Cancelled: 4
Active: 32 (1 undergoing modernization)
Laid up: 1
Retired: 2

General characteristics
Type: Guided missile / torpedo frigate
Displacement: 8 250 tons standard, 12 500 tons (full load)
Length: 140 m
Beam: 20 m
Draft: 5.25 m
Propulsion: 2-shaft combined nuclear and gas turbine propulsion, 1x MN-2 marine nuclear reactors with 2x gas turbine engines
80,000 shp (57,000 kW)
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Range: 1,200 nautical miles (2,000 km) at 32 knots (59 km/h) (combined propulsion),
unlimited at 20 knots (37 km/h) on nuclear power
Complement: 425

Sensors and processing systems:
Radars:

• 1x 4 MW combat system radar, bridge structure.
• 1x 3D tracking radar, foremast.
• 1x navigation radar, foremast.

Sonar:

• 1x towed array sonar, 2km line, stern.
• 1x bow sonar

Electronic warfare and decoys:

• 2x 8rd decoy launchers,96 reloads carried.
• 1x 4MW radar jammer/spoofer, rear mast.

Armament:
Missiles:

• 64x angled VLS cells (500x500 mm, 7m long), two large and two small batteries. No reloads carried.
• 2x mid-range SAM launchers (250x250 mm, 5 m long), two batteries. 32 reloads carried.
• 2x 12-cell mid-range point defense missile launchers, 96 reloads carried.

Guns:

• 1x quick-fire 155 mm high velocity howitzer, 200 rounds carried.
• 2x Close-In Weapons Systems, 24 mm rotary cannon, 12 000 rounds carried.
• 8x 14.5 mm machine guns, 120 000 rounds carried.

Torpedoes and others:

• 2x 500 mm AS(u)W torpedo launchers, 24 reloads carried.
• 4x 425 mm AS(u)W rocket launchers, 36 reloads carried.

Armour: 100 mm plating around reactor compartment, 50mm plating around CIC, light splinter protection
Aircraft carried: 2 helicopters, space for 1 more on deck.
Aviation facilities: Hangar on deck

[Spirit of Hope]

For fuck's sake am I invisible or some shit?

Let's try this again.

I've been working on my expeditionary navy, and I'd really appreciate if someone more knowledgeable of such things could give it a once-over and tell me if my reasoning is, well, reasonable. Right now it's got 48 ships.

C100 - YEFN Midnight
C101 - Unnamed
C102 - Unnamed
C103 - Unnamed

A114 - Unnamed
A115 - Unnamed

F170 - YEFN Faragut
F171 - Unnamed
F172 - Unnamed
F173 - YEFN Amber Peace
F174 - Unnamed
F175 - Unnamed
F176 - Unnamed
F177 - YEFN Tidal Princess
F178 - Unnamed
F179 - Unnamed

G180 - Unnamed
G181 - Unnamed
G182 - Unnamed
G183 - Unnamed

S200 - YEFN Moonlit Waters
S201 - YEFN Deep Nights
S202 - Unnamed
S203 - Unnamed
S204 - Unnamed
S205 - Unnamed
S206 - Unnamed
S207 - Unnamed

S250 - Unnamed
S251 - Unnamed

B320 - Unnamed
B321 - Unnamed

D400 - Unnamed
D402 - Unnamed
D404 - YEFN Northern Skies
D406 - Unnamed
D408 - Unnamed
D410 - Unnamed
D412 - Unnamed
D414 - Unnamed
D416 - Unnamed
D418 - Unnamed
D420 - YEFN Aurora
D422 - Unnamed

R500 - YEFN Long Dreams
R501 - YEFN Long Hopes
R502 - YEFN Long Nights
R503 - YEFN Long Winds

With regards to names; only ships that have been in RPs have names ('cause I'm lazy)

The idea behind the current balance of force for my navy is that I can have two task fleets plus some ships in port or in drydock. Now, I don't have any carriers per sé, so I base my task fleet around one guided missile battlecruiser.

Task Force 1
(1) Battlecruiser
(1) Attack submarine
(2) Frigates
(2) Destroyers
(1) Underway replenishment ship

Task Force 2 - Optional
(1) Battlecruiser
(1) Attack submarine
(2) Frigates
(2) Destroyers
(1) Underway replenishment ship

Optionally the following additional elements may be picked and chosen from.
(1) Heavy aviation cruiser
(2) Attack submarines
(1) Guided missile submarine
(2) Air defense frigates
(1) Underway replenishment ship

This results in a task fleet of anywhere from 7 to 22 ships.

As an example: In a roleplay I was recently engaged in, I had the following deployed.

TF Alpha - Was underway, never arrived in theatre. I pulled out before then.
- YEFN Midnight C100, battlecruiser
- YEFN Deep Nights S201, attack submarine
- YEFN Tidal Princess F177, escort frigate
- YEFN Amber Peace F173, escort frigate
- YEFN Northern Snows D404, escort destroyer
- YEFN Aurora D420, escort destroyer
- YEFN Long Hopes R501, underway replenishment ship

Additional elements that happened to be in theatre until I left
- YEFN Faragut F170, escort frigate
- YEFN Moonlit Waters S200, attack submarine

Question here is, does the balance of escorts for such a ship make sense, or no?

As for ship designs... Well, I have the battlecruiser and escort frigate somewhat mostly complete barring lineart.

Class overview
Builders: Krupper-Thyssen Shipyards
Operators: Yukonastan Defense Force Navy, Yukonastan Expeditionary Force Navy
Built: 1978 – 1995
In service: From 1985
Planned: 12
Completed: 12
Cancelled: 0
Active: 8 (1 undergoing modernization)
Laid up: 1
Retired: 2

General characteristics
Type: Heavy guided missile cruiser/battlecruiser
Displacement: 19 500 tons standard, 25 000 (full load)
Length: 220 m
Beam: 25 m
Draft: 7 m
Propulsion: 2-shaft combined nuclear and gas turbine propulsion, 2x MN-2 marine nuclear reactors with 2x gas turbine engines
120,000 shp (86,000 kW)
Speed: 32knots (59 km/h)
Range: 1,200 nautical miles (2,000 km) at 32 knots (59 km/h) (combined propulsion),
unlimited at 20 knots (37 km/h) on nuclear power
Complement: 650

Sensors and processing systems:
Radars:

• 1x 6 MW combat system radar, bridge structure.
• 2x 3D tracking radar, foremast.
• 1x navigation radar, foremast.

Sonar:

• 1x towed array sonar, 2km line, stern.
• 1x bow sonar

Electronic warfare and decoys:

• 2x 8rd decoy launchers, 128 reloads carried.
• 1x 4MW radar jammer/spoofer, rear mast.

Armament:
Missiles:

• 128x angled VLS cells (500x500 mm, 7m long), two large and two small batteries. No reloads carried.
• 8x mid-range SAM launchers (250x250 mm, 5 m long), two batteries. 64 reloads carried.
• 2x 32-cell mid-range point defense missile launchers, 256 reloads carried.

Guns:

• 1x quick-fire 155 mm high velocity howitzer, 500 rounds carried.
• 2x Close-In Weapons Systems, 24 mm rotary cannon, 12 000 rounds carried.
• 12x 14.5 mm machine guns, 180 000 rounds carried.

Torpedoes and others:

• 2x 500 mm AS(u)W torpedo launchers, 24 reloads carried.
• 4x 425 mm AS(u)W rocket launchers, 48 reloads carried.

Armour: 100 mm plating around reactor compartment, 50mm plating around CIC, light splinter protection
Aircraft carried: 2 helicopters, space for 2 more on deck.
Aviation facilities: Hangar on deck

Class overview
Builders: Krupper-Thyssen Shipyards
Operators: Yukonastan Defense Force Navy, Yukonastan Expeditionary Force Navy
Built: 1982 – 2001
In service: From 1985
Planned: 40
Completed: 36
Cancelled: 4
Active: 32 (1 undergoing modernization)
Laid up: 1
Retired: 2

General characteristics
Type: Guided missile / torpedo frigate
Displacement: 8 250 tons standard, 12 500 tons (full load)
Length: 140 m
Beam: 20 m
Draft: 5.25 m
Propulsion: 2-shaft combined nuclear and gas turbine propulsion, 1x MN-2 marine nuclear reactors with 2x gas turbine engines
80,000 shp (57,000 kW)
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
Range: 1,200 nautical miles (2,000 km) at 32 knots (59 km/h) (combined propulsion),
unlimited at 20 knots (37 km/h) on nuclear power
Complement: 425

Sensors and processing systems:
Radars:

• 1x 4 MW combat system radar, bridge structure.
• 1x 3D tracking radar, foremast.
• 1x navigation radar, foremast.

Sonar:

• 1x towed array sonar, 2km line, stern.
• 1x bow sonar

Electronic warfare and decoys:

• 2x 8rd decoy launchers,96 reloads carried.
• 1x 4MW radar jammer/spoofer, rear mast.

Armament:
Missiles:

• 64x angled VLS cells (500x500 mm, 7m long), two large and two small batteries. No reloads carried.
• 2x mid-range SAM launchers (250x250 mm, 5 m long), two batteries. 32 reloads carried.
• 2x 12-cell mid-range point defense missile launchers, 96 reloads carried.

Guns:

• 1x quick-fire 155 mm high velocity howitzer, 200 rounds carried.
• 2x Close-In Weapons Systems, 24 mm rotary cannon, 12 000 rounds carried.
• 8x 14.5 mm machine guns, 120 000 rounds carried.

Torpedoes and others:

• 2x 500 mm AS(u)W torpedo launchers, 24 reloads carried.
• 4x 425 mm AS(u)W rocket launchers, 36 reloads carried.

Armour: 100 mm plating around reactor compartment, 50mm plating around CIC, light splinter protection
Aircraft carried: 2 helicopters, space for 1 more on deck.
Aviation facilities: Hangar on deck

It looks good, and there isn't much to say. The numbers don't look crazy. I'm assuming you are staying away from carriers for a reason, I would think you could afford 1-2 smaller ones if you scraped the battle cruisers.

I would like to know what your Heavy Aviation Cruisers are, it doesn't sound like a good idea but without any specifics about what it is I can't overly say much about it.

The battlecruisers don't need to have both nuclear and gas turbines. You could free up space by using only one or the other, likely without any real loss in capabilities.

[Dibeg]

So do people here talk about using RL ships in our navies?
That's what I do, I take the best from the US, the best from Britain, a few from Russia, and japan, may I steal that.
Because to be frank the US destroyer program is screwed so I cant use those.

[Husseinarti]

So do people here talk about using RL ships in our navies?
That's what I do, I take the best from the US, the best from Britain, a few from Russia, and japan, may I steal that.
Because to be frank the US destroyer program is screwed so I cant use those.

Zumwalt is like, am amazing DDG.

[Democratic Koyro]

For fuck's sake am I invisible or some shit?

It looks good, and there isn't much to say. The numbers don't look crazy. I'm assuming you are staying away from carriers for a reason, I would think you could afford 1-2 smaller ones if you scraped the battle cruisers.

I would like to know what your Heavy Aviation Cruisers are, it doesn't sound like a good idea but without any specifics about what it is I can't overly say much about it.

The battlecruisers don't need to have both nuclear and gas turbines. You could free up space by using only one or the other, likely without any real loss in capabilities.

I'll go ahead and make an educated guess and assume that Heavy Aviation Cruiser, in line with Soviet/Russian names, is what Yukon calls his Carriers.

They tend to carry a substantially heavier armament than Western carriers. The Kuznetsov carries/carried the same P-700 anti-ship missiles found on the Kirov-class Battlecruiser and the Oscar-class submarine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznetsov ... ft_carrier

[Yukonastan]

For fuck's sake am I invisible or some shit?

It looks good, and there isn't much to say. The numbers don't look crazy. I'm assuming you are staying away from carriers for a reason, I would think you could afford 1-2 smaller ones if you scraped the battle cruisers.

I would like to know what your Heavy Aviation Cruisers are, it doesn't sound like a good idea but without any specifics about what it is I can't overly say much about it.

The battlecruisers don't need to have both nuclear and gas turbines. You could free up space by using only one or the other, likely without any real loss in capabilities.

Eh, the "heavy aviation cruiser" is my first foray into aircraft carriers, but they're only capable of supporting helicopters, really. The biggest IC reason for not having true carriers is mainly to do with my policy of armed neutrality and with the fact that I only have a force of 150 000 men total across all branches, and carriers take fuckhuge amounts of crew to operate.

As for CONAG, IC reasons (nuclear everything for ships). Phartan related that gas turbines have the advantage of being able to be started in a minute, so when shore leave gets canceled, the boat can just up and go when its crew is back onboard, plus they give me a massive sprint speed burst. Nukes have to be started up in a far longer procedure, but have the advantage of near infinite range.

[Kingdom of genoa]

heres my warships for the most part, i love the Sovereign
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=kingdom_of_genoa/detail=factbook/id=408425

how does my navy look?

[Chanel Clan]

OK, so i know a bit about submarine detection using towed sonar boueys, dipping sonar, sinking sonar boueys, active/passive sonar, hydrophones and magnetic anomaly detection, wake detection, etc...

What i need to know is more about anti-submarine weapons.

Are depth charges still a thing? Are Torpedoes the go to? I know there are missiles but are these active seekers of soe kind or are they programmed or guided from the surface?
How does this work in the modern navy?

In addition to what The Soodean Imperium has already listed helicopters and marintime patrol aircraft that carry sonar buoys, dipping sonar, and MAD also often carry torpedoes themselves which they can employ. From what I remember they are simply torpedoes with active sonar in them.

6 Stenka class PB's
2 Kirvak FFG's or 2 Foxtrot SSK's
1 Ropucha or Polnochy class LST

What's your assessment of the Beriev Be-12?

That looks manageable. You could probably have a couple more patrol boats. One reason I don't use real world nations is they are to hard to fit with what I want as capabilities for NS RPs.

The Beriev is a workable maritime patrol aircraft. I don't think you would have much need of its flying boat capabilities though.

Would it be better to have 3 Pauk class Corvettes or 8 Stenka class Patrol Boats? I'm postulating a AU Ukriane several years down the road where the front lines of today become a frozen conflict zone, and Ukraine is just beginning to rebuild, like what happened in Georgia. I'm robbing the Sea Gaurd of some of their ships for a homefleet of patrol boats, and using the last remaining combatants of significant value (1 LST, FFG, and SSK) on foreign deployments, so I'm wondering where the navy would draw the line between ships they want to take over, and ones they'll leave to the border gaurd. Basically I have the same strategy as the CSA's navy: littoral home fleet for defense and a few independent blue water units to raise national prestige abroad.

[Dibeg]

So do people here talk about using RL ships in our navies?
That's what I do, I take the best from the US, the best from Britain, a few from Russia, and japan, may I steal that.
Because to be frank the US destroyer program is screwed so I cant use those.

Zumwalt is like, am amazing DDG.

nah I think its pretty horrible. I understand that they have cruisers as well, but its antisub capabilities seem so bad. I think that it is a bit of a miscalculation. The destroyers I use are the british darings.

[Yukonastan]

Zumwalt is like, am amazing DDG.

nah I think its pretty horrible. I understand that they have cruisers as well, but its antisub capabilities seem so bad. I think that it is a bit of a miscalculation. The destroyers I use are the british darings.

The Zumwalt is a stealth!destroyer which went over budget. Looks cool as fuck though.

[Kingdom of genoa]

Zumwalt is like, am amazing DDG.

nah I think its pretty horrible. I understand that they have cruisers as well, but its antisub capabilities seem so bad. I think that it is a bit of a miscalculation. The destroyers I use are the british darings.

its never seen combat so im not saying its good or bad untill it does

[New Oyashima]

So what instead of a Ticonderoga, I use Long Beach Aegis?

[Dibeg]

So what instead of a Ticonderoga, I use Long Beach Aegis?

OMG please. Do you think that would be better than a Kirov class with aegis?

[Dibeg]

nah I think its pretty horrible. I understand that they have cruisers as well, but its antisub capabilities seem so bad. I think that it is a bit of a miscalculation. The destroyers I use are the british darings.

The Zumwalt is a stealth!destroyer which went over budget. Looks cool as fuck though.

yeah, I think they were trying to build in efficiencies, and work towards a more useful for the current type of war ship. they succeeded, but also now they have no destroyer that is really a destroyer.

[New Oyashima]

So what instead of a Ticonderoga, I use Long Beach Aegis?

OMG please. Do you think that would be better than a Kirov class with aegis?

Everything is better then Kirov.

[Dibeg]

OMG please. Do you think that would be better than a Kirov class with aegis?

Everything is better then Kirov.

Kirov is beautiful. the number of missiles. the nuclear warhead capabilities (shhh the Russians are listening)

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Everything is better then Kirov.

Kirov is beautiful. the number of missiles. the nuclear warhead capabilities (shhh the Russians are listening)

And the sensor and bridge arrangement is none other but truly atrocious. And the radars all date from the 1960's.

[Kingdom of genoa]

Everything is better then Kirov.

Kirov is beautiful. the number of missiles. the nuclear warhead capabilities (shhh the Russians are listening)

Which the ticenderoga has?

[Husseinarti]

Kirov is beautiful. the number of missiles. the nuclear warhead capabilities (shhh the Russians are listening)

Which the ticenderoga has?

Tico has SPY-1 and aegis.

[New Oyashima]

Which the ticenderoga has?

Tico has SPY-1 and aegis.

Tico is shit. Strike Cruiser true cruiser.

[Husseinarti]

Tico has SPY-1 and aegis.

Tico is shit. Strike Cruiser true cruiser.

Yes pls

[Gallia-]

csgn is worse



this is the only ship you really need

[New Oyashima]

csgn is worse

(Image)

this is the only ship you really need

Galla you are truely shit a navying. Plz remove yourself.

[Grays Harbor]

heres my warships for the most part, i love the Sovereign
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=kingdom_of_genoa/detail=factbook/id=408425

how does my navy look?

I'd say the Sovereign, with all the missile tubes, gun turrets, and large air wing, will be the best looking unmanned stationary harbour fortress in your fleet as there isn't room left for engines or crew accommodations.