Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Grays Harbor]

I should probably post this here now that I've finished it :|

http://iiwiki.com/images/e/ec/IMS_Tianrong_1936.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Tianrong-class_light_cruiser

'30s light cruiser for my predecessor regime. Main battery is eight 150mm guns in four twin turrets, speed is 34.8 knots. SpringSharp gives a Composite Strength value of 0.98, probably higher than what I could get away with for a light cruiser, but also warns that the hull is wet and somewhat strained in heavy seas.

Most smaller warships tend to be wet firward in heavy seas, so i wouldn't sweat it over much.

A damn fine looking cruiser.

[The Soodean Imperium]

I should probably post this here now that I've finished it :|

http://iiwiki.com/images/e/ec/IMS_Tianrong_1936.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Tianrong-class_light_cruiser

'30s light cruiser for my predecessor regime. Main battery is eight 150mm guns in four twin turrets, speed is 34.8 knots. SpringSharp gives a Composite Strength value of 0.98, probably higher than what I could get away with for a light cruiser, but also warns that the hull is wet and somewhat strained in heavy seas.

Most smaller warships tend to be wet firward in heavy seas, so i wouldn't sweat it over much.

A damn fine looking cruiser.

Why, thank you!

I also have a battleship that's almost finished, but I'll be traveling tomorrow so I probably won't be able to post it for a while.

[Tulacia]

I should probably post this here now that I've finished it :|

http://iiwiki.com/images/e/ec/IMS_Tianrong_1936.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Tianrong-class_light_cruiser

'30s light cruiser for my predecessor regime. Main battery is eight 150mm guns in four twin turrets, speed is 34.8 knots. SpringSharp gives a Composite Strength value of 0.98, probably higher than what I could get away with for a light cruiser, but also warns that the hull is wet and somewhat strained in heavy seas.

How...do you draw such beauty...

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

I should probably post this here now that I've finished it :|

http://iiwiki.com/images/e/ec/IMS_Tianrong_1936.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Tianrong-class_light_cruiser

'30s light cruiser for my predecessor regime. Main battery is eight 150mm guns in four twin turrets, speed is 34.8 knots. SpringSharp gives a Composite Strength value of 0.98, probably higher than what I could get away with for a light cruiser, but also warns that the hull is wet and somewhat strained in heavy seas.

How...do you draw such beauty...

http://www.shipbucket.com

[The Soodean Imperium]

I should probably post this here now that I've finished it :|

http://iiwiki.com/images/e/ec/IMS_Tianrong_1936.png

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Tianrong-class_light_cruiser

'30s light cruiser for my predecessor regime. Main battery is eight 150mm guns in four twin turrets, speed is 34.8 knots. SpringSharp gives a Composite Strength value of 0.98, probably higher than what I could get away with for a light cruiser, but also warns that the hull is wet and somewhat strained in heavy seas.

How...do you draw such beauty...

Practice. Lots and lots of practice. I've been doing SB-style ship art for at least a year and a half by now, though I guess that's less than some other people here.

Problem is, I'm now getting to the point where I no longer feel good about the ships I made earlier... maybe I'll revisit a few of those classes later on.

[Grays Harbor]

How...do you draw such beauty...

Practice. Lots and lots of practice. I've been doing SB-style ship art for at least a year and a half by now, though I guess that's less than some other people here.

Problem is, I'm now getting to the point where I no longer feel good about the ships I made earlier... maybe I'll revisit a few of those classes later on.

I have the same problem. I look back at some i did in 2010-12, and they look to be the naval equivalent of stick figures to me.

[HMS Vanguard]

Why would NFS be unnecessary in a first-world country vs. first-world country invasion?

Because aircraft can perform any task a shipboard gun can perform, but no number of shipboard guns can make up for lack of air superiority. Directly opposed landings have probably become an anachronism; if a country is in a position to place defenders directly onto a beach, no other countries is in a position to attack that beach.

The main purpose of any shipboard gun today is to perform coastguard duties.

[Tulacia]

I just met a Vietnam veteran who served on the USS Saint Paul and now I want to use it in some capacity...Perhaps a Coast Guard or trainer ship?

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

I just met a Vietnam veteran who served on the USS Saint Paul and now I want to use it in some capacity...Perhaps a Coast Guard or trainer ship?

If it was to be refitted in a many similar to the Boston class early on, no reason why you couldn't have one lying about in reserve or in training

[Tulacia]

I just met a Vietnam veteran who served on the USS Saint Paul and now I want to use it in some capacity...Perhaps a Coast Guard or trainer ship?

If it was to be refitted in a many similar to the Boston class early on, no reason why you couldn't have one lying about in reserve or in training

The problem with the Boston-class is that by the time they saw action, their missile systems were obsolescent. But if I kept updating the missile systems of my version of the Saint Paul, it just might work. I think I'll keep the forward 8-inchers just for badassery.

[Tulacia]

I just met a Vietnam veteran who served on the USS Saint Paul and now I want to use it in some capacity...Perhaps a Coast Guard or trainer ship?

If it was to be refitted in a many similar to the Boston class early on, no reason why you couldn't have one lying about in reserve or in training

The problem with the Boston-class is that by the time they saw action, their missile systems were obsolescent. But if I kept updating the missile systems of my version of the Saint Paul, it just might work for a reserve cruiser. I think I'll keep the forward 8-inchers just for badassery.

For a good full-missile complement reserve cruiser, I'm going to go with the USS Long Beach.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If it was to be refitted in a many similar to the Boston class early on, no reason why you couldn't have one lying about in reserve or in training

The problem with the Boston-class is that by the time they saw action, their missile systems were obsolescent. But if I kept updating the missile systems of my version of the Saint Paul, it just might work. I think I'll keep the forward 8-inchers just for badassery.

You and I have very differing definitions of badass.

[Tulacia]

I took the ORBAT for Task Force 58, the force covering the Iwo Jima landings, and divided it by the number of sub-groups in TF-58 to get my standard "Navy Battle Group". This will be used for any era I RP in, with a little bit of changes to the designations (for my modern stuff, cruisers sit in the heavy cruiser spot, destroyers = light cruiser, frigate = destroyer).

--1 carrier
--2 light/escort carriers
--1 battleship
--2 cruisers/heavy cruisers
--2 destroyers/light cruisers
--13 frigates/destroyers

[The Akasha Colony]

I took the ORBAT for Task Force 58, the force covering the Iwo Jima landings, and divided it by the number of sub-groups in TF-58 to get my standard "Navy Battle Group". This will be used for any era I RP in, with a little bit of changes to the designations (for my modern stuff, cruisers sit in the heavy cruiser spot, destroyers = light cruiser, frigate = destroyer).

--1 carrier
--2 light/escort carriers
--1 battleship
--2 cruisers/heavy cruisers
--2 destroyers/light cruisers
--13 frigates/destroyers

Unless you were actively at war and needed every single hull you could get, you likely wouldn't have the escort or light carriers. Escort carriers were built due to the pressing demand for small launch platforms for support, but were generally quite slow. Light carriers were likewise a wartime compromise as they could use hulls already under construction (fleet carrier-sized hulls were rare but cruiser hulls were more abundant). A peacetime navy with sufficient funding and time to build larger carriers would almost certainly prefer them over smaller ones.

The organization is also a bit awkward for the time. Ships were generally not parceled out and organized in "battle groups" like we think of today. They were organized in squadrons by type. Especially battleships, which were designed to fight together in squadrons against enemy battleship squadrons. Destroyers and cruisers were also organized in the same way. Carriers were generally organized that way later on even though the US experimented with keeping them separate early in the war.

[Vloskovia]

I'm in the process of making a heavy cruiser (mid-40s refit) and I have some questions about the radar. In this image, would the mast create a blind spot for the radar? If so, what solution would you recommend? Should I move it to the top of the mast? Put another one on top? Or is it not significant enough to warrant any changes?

[New Oyashima]

Iowa is battle cruiser discuss.

[Tulacia]

Iowa is battle cruiser discuss.

I'd imagine it would have to replace the 15-inchers at least with missile launchers of some kind. Maybe even the 8-inchers.

[Vancon]

Iowa is battle cruiser discuss.

Is boat. Shoot other boats. Good boat.

[Grays Harbor]

Iowa is battle cruiser discuss.

I'd imagine it would have to replace the 15-inchers at least with missile launchers of some kind. Maybe even the 8-inchers.

What 8-inchers? Armament of the Iowa class is 9 x 16"/50 (3x3); 20 x 5"/38 (10x2); plus numerous 40mm and 20mm. Some missiles were added in the 80's. At no time did it ever have 8" guns.

[Husseinarti]

Iowa is battle cruiser discuss.

I'd imagine it would have to replace the 15-inchers at least with missile launchers of some kind. Maybe even the 8-inchers.

Iowa has 16 inch guns.

Also by the end of the war, the US Mandal armament for most ships was main armament, 5 inch guns, and a bunch of 40 and 20mm guns.

[New Oyashima]

Is battlecruiser, not BB.

[Husseinarti]

Is battlecruiser, not BB.

Alaska Class.

[EsToVnIa]

it's not an aircraft carrier so does it really matter in the end ):

http://www.combatreform.org/BBG21overhe ... H47Ftn.jpg

[Gallan Systems]

Is battlecruiser, not BB.

Alaska Class.

Not even.

CB != Battlecruiser.

it's not an aircraft carrier so does it really matter in the end ):

http://www.combatreform.org/BBG21overhe ... H47Ftn.jpg

Aircraft carriers being marginally more useful than a guided missile frigate, no not really.

A SAG and a CVBG will be similarly hard to kill.

[Connori Pilgrims]

Iowa is battle cruiser discuss.

Discuss what? Should the Iowa be classified as a battlecruiser (CC - not CB)?

Honestly the classification only matters if there's a point to differentiating gun capital ship types. So in the WWII era, you might have an argument to classify the Iowas as CCs if the Montana-class was built, since there was a big difference in firepower and speed and armor between the two.

Nowadays (inb4 the "durr battleships are obsolete" line), no there's no point.