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Postby Novorden » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:01 pm

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I seem to be able to fit far too many helicopters into my hanger, am i missing something?

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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:07 pm

Novorden wrote:
I seem to be able to fit far too many helicopters into my hanger, am i missing something?


You have a LOLHUEG helideck, and you're not leaving space for maintenance.
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F823, the Hr.Ms. Philips van Almonde, a Dutch frigate. Note the apparent size difference of bird deck and hangar. Note also how narrow the deck is, in relation to its length.
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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:09 pm

Novorden wrote:
I seem to be able to fit far too many helicopters into my hanger, am i missing something?


Your ship looks immensely beamy
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Postby Neu-Pommern » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:17 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Novorden wrote:
I seem to be able to fit far too many helicopters into my hanger, am i missing something?


You have a LOLHUEG helideck, and you're not leaving space for maintenance.
Edit:
F823, the Hr.Ms. Philips van Almonde, a Dutch frigate. Note the apparent size difference of bird deck and hangar. Note also how narrow the deck is, in relation to its length.
[snip]


Maybe he wants to be able to land Chinooks?
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:20 pm

Neu-Pommern wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
You have a LOLHUEG helideck, and you're not leaving space for maintenance.
Edit:
F823, the Hr.Ms. Philips van Almonde, a Dutch frigate. Note the apparent size difference of bird deck and hangar. Note also how narrow the deck is, in relation to its length.
[snip]


Maybe he wants to be able to land Chinooks?


Deck doesn't need to be that ridiculously broad to land a Chinny, you can land a Chinny on the deck I linked.
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Postby Novorden » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:27 pm

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Novorden wrote:
I seem to be able to fit far too many helicopters into my hanger, am i missing something?


Your ship looks immensely beamy

It's 158 meters long by 22 mete.... damn 24.1m somehow.
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Neu-Pommern wrote:Maybe he wants to be able to land Chinooks?

That was one of the things i looked into whilst designing it. Well that and could i launch harriers from it (i rekon i can fit 2)
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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:29 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Neu-Pommern wrote:
Maybe he wants to be able to land Chinooks?


Deck doesn't need to be that ridiculously broad to land a Chinny, you can land a Chinny on the deck I linked.


No you can't, you'd be loosing rotors (Kortenaer class heli deck is about 22m long, Chinook is 30m long) But I understand where you're coming from. A flight deck thats 15-17m wide is pretty much the best size, almost any heli in naval service could land on that
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:32 pm

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
Deck doesn't need to be that ridiculously broad to land a Chinny, you can land a Chinny on the deck I linked.


No you can't, you'd be loosing rotors (Kortenaer class heli deck is about 22m long, Chinook is 30m long) But I understand where you're coming from. A flight deck thats 15-17m wide is pretty much the best size, almost any heli in naval service could land on that


Chinny can be landed in 25m deck space. 22.5 in a pinch. Fuse is only 15m long.
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Postby Oaledonia » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:35 pm

Every time you call it a Chinny a COD fanboy is born.
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Postby Korva » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:38 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
No you can't, you'd be loosing rotors (Kortenaer class heli deck is about 22m long, Chinook is 30m long) But I understand where you're coming from. A flight deck thats 15-17m wide is pretty much the best size, almost any heli in naval service could land on that


Chinny can be landed in 25m deck space. 22.5 in a pinch. Fuse is only 15m long.

Seems like a good way to crash, seeing as how the rotors extend past fuselage.

And chinny sounds like some kind of sex slang.

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Postby New Vihenia » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:39 pm

Neu-Pommern wrote:https://i.imgur.com/oLwBO5t.png

IT BEGINS


So you're using HTGR. Interesting.
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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:39 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
No you can't, you'd be loosing rotors (Kortenaer class heli deck is about 22m long, Chinook is 30m long) But I understand where you're coming from. A flight deck thats 15-17m wide is pretty much the best size, almost any heli in naval service could land on that


Chinny can be landed in 25m deck space. 22.5 in a pinch. Fuse is only 15m long.


I guess you mean landed across the deck port-starboard? I've heard of that being considered but never attempted on a deck that small
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:45 pm

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
Chinny can be landed in 25m deck space. 22.5 in a pinch. Fuse is only 15m long.


I guess you mean landed across the deck port-starboard? I've heard of that being considered but never attempted on a deck that small


I mean landed with the rear wheels or the nose wheels on the rear edge of the deck, leaving the cockpit or ramp extending past the stern of the ship. The applicable rotor also extends over the stern as a result.
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Postby Neu-Pommern » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:49 pm

So uh. I didn't mean for my notBurke to literally be a Burke.

https://i.imgur.com/PBu5KiY.png
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:51 pm

Neu-Pommern wrote:So uh. I didn't mean for my notBurke to literally be a Burke.

https://i.imgur.com/PBu5KiY.png


you drawing over the sb template, or did you accidentally the whole template?
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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:51 pm

Neu-Pommern wrote:So uh. I didn't mean for my notBurke to literally be a Burke.

https://i.imgur.com/PBu5KiY.png


Try doing a Hobart/Alvaro de Bazan?

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Postby Neu-Pommern » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:52 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Neu-Pommern wrote:So uh. I didn't mean for my notBurke to literally be a Burke.

https://i.imgur.com/PBu5KiY.png


you drawing over the sb template, or did you accidentally the whole template?


I always draw directly on the template.

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Neu-Pommern wrote:So uh. I didn't mean for my notBurke to literally be a Burke.

https://i.imgur.com/PBu5KiY.png


Try doing a Hobart/Alvaro de Bazan?

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Meh, I'll just fiddle with what I have.
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:56 pm

Neu-Pommern wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
you drawing over the sb template, or did you accidentally the whole template?


I always draw directly on the template.

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
Try doing a Hobart/Alvaro de Bazan?

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Meh, I'll just fiddle with what I have.


Why not a Zr.Ms. De Zeven Provincien-class inspired design?
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Postby Roski » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:59 pm

Does anyone know a good carrier template for making a CIWS Heavy Carrier?
Modern Day, of course? I wanna into independent ship designs by of course copying other ship designs
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:00 pm

Roski wrote:Does anyone know a good carrier template for making a CIWS Heavy Carrier?
Modern Day, of course? I wanna into independent ship designs by of course copying other ship designs


http://www.shipbucket.com/
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USS Midway, CV41, in 1970s appearance.
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Postby Roski » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:04 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Roski wrote:Does anyone know a good carrier template for making a CIWS Heavy Carrier?
Modern Day, of course? I wanna into independent ship designs by of course copying other ship designs


http://www.shipbucket.com/
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USS Midway, CV41, in 1970s appearance.


I can;t find the GRF Q-Q

Didn't see edit until after post soz
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Postby New Vihenia » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:57 pm

Slightly improved Diesel-Electric submarine submerged range spreadsheet.

https://www.mediafire.com/?dmttt6b496pmlpi

Adding Battery recharging time and indiscretion rate calculation.

Diesel-Electric submarine, during charging battery must perform snorkeling where it will raise exhaust and air intake mast to open air. This activity add additional drag to the submarine which will increase power required to move at the same speed during submerging.
The increase in power depend on the distance between submarine's center (Not keel) To the surface of the sea.

Calculation of above however is simple but require a chart which somewhat i cannot automate in the spreadsheet, thus i ignored it in this spreadsheet making the propulsive power required during snorkeling=propulsive power required during submerged.

Nonetheless for interested party, this is how the calculation is done :

First is to find the submarine's Froude Number with following :

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After found the froude number, time to read the chart. Another quantity required for the chart is "h/L" Ratio where h is the distance between submarine's center point to the surface of the sea, and L is the submarine's hull length. All in feet.

Then read the chart :

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The chart number is in the Y-axis.

After finding the chart number, it's time to calculate wave drag and additional power required with following :

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L/D is the submarine's length to diameter ratio, K2 constant is provided above (That 1.3606) WS is the power required for submerged in SHP(In Shp 1 Kilowatt= 1.341 Shp)

The result of calculation is directly added to the submerged power (e.g 201 shp required for submerge, additional 0.32 shp for snorkeling. Thus total would be 201+0.32 = 201.32 shp) and used as input to the battery charge time equation.

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Now the Indiscretion ratio (IR) It's a ratio of how long the submarine surfaced compared to submerged. For conventional DE submarine with no Electrochemical generator (That is AIP) Submerged endurance equals to the battery endurance. Current trend in submarine design is to minimize the Indiscretion ratio by increasing underwater endurance, this achieved by use of AIP, cruising underwater at slow speed (Because higher speed means more power required, depeleting the battery and in turn more snorkeling required which will increase IR)


Thoughts, suggestions, etc are welcome. I even accept paypal donation :p
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Postby Axis Nova » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:59 pm

Fusion power now MT by the standards of II, oil drillers worldwide seen leaping to their deaths

(seriously, this is a lot closer to seeing use than ETC guns ever were)


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