Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Freihafen]

Strictly speaking...

Edit: Why the hype about IR guidance? Countermeasures against infrared seeking exist just as they do for radar guidance.

[Oaledonia]

Guiz don't be mad.
But I'm going hardcore FanT and designing wave force armor out of some mystery metal.

I'm bringing Taihou and Armored Aircraft Carriers back. Only without explosions.

[Neu-Pommern]

Strictly speaking...

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Edit: Why the hype about IR guidance? Countermeasures against infrared seeking exist just as they do for radar guidance.

Because semi-active needs illumination and active radar guidance can be homed on by certain CIWS systems (like RAM). Everything's vulnerable to ECM though, you're right.

[Gallia-]

SM-2 doesn't have IR terminal, it requires illumination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-66_Standard

SM-2MR Block IIIB missiles have dual infrared/semi-active terminal homing.

Fair enough, I forgot they started calling RIM-66 SM-2 as well.

[Gallia-]

Guiz don't be mad.
But I'm going hardcore FanT and designing wave force armor out of some mystery metal.

I'm bringing Taihou and Armored Aircraft Carriers back. Only without explosions.

How could anyone be mad at Oale-chan? >:

[San-Silvacian]

Guiz don't be mad.
But I'm going hardcore FanT and designing wave force armor out of some mystery metal.

Its just so handwavium ;-;

[Korva]

What is the smallest carrier F-35C's could be safely launched from?

[The Akasha Colony]

Strictly speaking...

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Edit: Why the hype about IR guidance? Countermeasures against infrared seeking exist just as they do for radar guidance.

The hype isn't about IR alone, it's about dual-mode guidance, which is much harder to spoof as it requires distracting both the IR and radar guidance. Radar jamming has also gotten rather impressive as of late, whereas countermeasures effective against imaging infrared, and especially multi-color optics, are rare. Of course, so are such complicated seekers.

[Neu-Pommern]

What is the smallest carrier F-35C's could be safely launched from?

SKYHOOK FRIGATE

[Gallia-]

What is the smallest carrier F-35C's could be safely launched from?

Invincible/Cavour.

[Oaledonia]

Guiz don't be mad.
But I'm going hardcore FanT and designing wave force armor out of some mystery metal.

Its just so handwavium ;-;

Hey.
Knock knock.
It's me not caring :c

[Gallia-]

Its just so handwavium ;-;

Hey.
Knock knock.
It's me not caring :c

#sikburn

Why the frown? >:

[Korva]

What is the smallest carrier F-35C's could be safely launched from?

Invincible/Cavour.

Thanks.

Do you guys know where I can find internal volumes/fuel stores for various helicopter carriers?
Trying to make a Iwo Jima class that carries F-35B's but I'm uncertain of just how workable that is.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Invincible/Cavour.

Thanks.

Do you guys know where I can find internal volumes/fuel stores for various helicopter carriers?
Trying to make a Iwo Jima class that carries F-35B's but I'm uncertain of just how workable that is.

Its not something thats advertised too much, mind you IIRC the Wasp Class carried the F35 during trials so its feasible from a basic standpoint

[Gallia-]

Invincible/Cavour.

Thanks.

Do you guys know where I can find internal volumes/fuel stores for various helicopter carriers?
Trying to make a Iwo Jima class that carries F-35B's but I'm uncertain of just how workable that is.

Iwo Jima is too small to operate F-35B.

It probably can't even deckload F-35B because of the high temperature exhaust.

[The Akasha Colony]

As for the redundancy, I'm not sure what to do. I'll try my hand at an AD Destroyer in the same vein, and if that goes well then I'll move the SMART-L over to the Destroyer, limiting the expenses for the Frigate. If it doesn't go well, then until that point this Frigate is the primary AA weapon of my fleets, and I can (I suppose) claim NS Economies of scale (For example, in one year $205,000,000,000 of Kouralian Corvettes (1,000 in total) were bought by one customer) to justify the overt expense.

This is why I refuse, on principle, to ever open a storefront...

I have a single ship on my storefront (that is really in need of an overhaul anyway), and within a week I had made over a trillion in sales. Which of course probably covered all of the development costs of the entire naval program itself.

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Nepokolebimaya-class SSGN

Specifications:
- First Commissioned: 2009
- Length: 106.4 meters
- Draft (surfaced): 9.4 meters
- Surfaced Displacement: 4400 tonnes
- Submerged Displacement: 5800 tonnes
- Complement: 102
- Powerplant: Nuclear, 1x 210-MW Pressurized Water Reactor
- Propulsion: 1x Pumpjet
- Maximum speed: 36 knots submerged
- Traveling range: unlimited

Armament:
- 2x 650mm torpedo tube (8 torpedoes carried)
- 6x 533mm torpedo tube (28 torpedoes carried)
- 10x Large VLS Tube
Configuration I: 50x 3M54 "Klub" AShM or Tianchizei-2 Cruise Missile
Configuration II: 10x Seodang-7M Navalized Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile
Configuration III: 6x Seodang-7M Navalized AShBM and 20x 3M54 "Klub" or Tianchizei-2
- 4x Igla MANPADS (carried inside for use while surfaced)
- Mines and acoustic decoys can be carried in place of torpedoes

Electronics:
- 1x High-Strength Active/Passive Sonar
- 1x Towed Sonar Array
- 1x MG-70 Mine Detection Sonar
- 1x MRK-50 "Snoop Tray 2" surface search radar
- 1x "Rim Hat" ESM/ECM
- 1x MNK-100 SOKS non-acoustic submarine detection system
- 1x Scanning Periscope
- 1x Aiming Periscope
- 1x Syntez "Pert Spring" SATCOM
- 1x LF/VLF/ELF receiver antenna
- 1x "Shot Gun" UHF/VHF antenna

Overview:
The Nepokolebimaya-class SSGN is the most recent addition to the Imperial Soodean Navy's submarine arsenal, and its design features reflect some of the important doctrinal changes of the post-2004 period. Unlike the previous Sha'tsaoyu class optimized for long-range patrols, and the abandoned Krepkaya-class proposal intended for deploying cruise missiles and special forces teams, the Nepokolebimaya was envisioned with the goal of engaging hostile fleets while operating in or around the Meditethrhean Sea. This makes it a specialized SSGN, somewhat similar to the much larger Project 949 submarines of the Soviet Union, especially when armed with tubes in the "B" configuration. In terms of quieting, it is only marginally superior to its predecessor, and its passive sonar is not as sensitive. The capacity of the stores for on-board supplies and the relatively low crew size also suggest a shorter mission duration closer to home ports. Yet its main armament gives it a major advantage against local opponents.

On the basic hull, the Nepokolebimaya-class is fitted with ten 1.6-meter-wide tubes in a bulge structure just abaft the bridge. These can be configured to hold five 533mm anti-ship or cruise missiles ("A") arranged in a ring, or a single short-range ballistic missile ("B"). The two configurations require different internal layouts, missile interfaces, and cold-launch equipment, however, so once a tube is completed in one format it cannot be converted to another without a lengthy internal overhaul. Thus the first two hulls were completed with all-"A" tubes, the next two with an all-"B" layout, and subsequent vessels with a mixed armament of six "B" and two "A." It should also be noted that additional cruise missiles in the 533mm range can be fired from the forward torpedo tubes, which can also be used to deploy sea mines.

"A" configured launch tubes can fire the "Klub-S" family of missiles, though the Soodean arsenal only includes the 3M54E and 3M54E1 supersonic terminal and sub-sonic anti-ship variants, respectively. For land attack, the tubes may be armed with the indigenously developed Tianchizei-2 cruise missile, which has a maximum range on the order of 2000 kilometers. "B" configured tubes are designed to accomodate the heavier the Seodang-7M, a specialized development of the Seodang-7 short-range ballistic missile, also indigenously developed. This "M" (Ma, sea) variant is modified for increased corrosion resistance and underwater launch, though the added weight results in a range reduction from 750 to 600 kilometers. More importantly, however, it is fitted with a greatly improved electro-optical terminal seeker, and is optimized for use as an anti-ship ballistic missile (because of the inertial and GPS backup guidance, it can also be used in the land-attack role). When used in coordination with targeting aid from air- and sea-based assets, this makes the Nepokolebimaya-class an important element of the Imperial Soodean Navy's "unwavering" maritime defenses.

>2009
>Still has bow torpedo tubes

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You'll probably want to assign one attack submarine to each Battlegroup; their sensitive passive sonar and low noise levels make them valuable for detecting and tracking other submarines. Grouping them all together into one "wolf pack" was common in WWI/WWII but isn't as efficient today.

They'll be operating independently even if directly assigned to the carrier group, so assigning them to what is probably just an administrative squadron isn't much different.

Storefronts are fun because you get to see your lineart proliferate and become parts of peoples' stories.

Downside is all the one liners and trillion dollar orders.

I notice that a lot of people put in disclaimers amounting to "it is forbidden to use this item in a godmodding post," which - though admirable, in a quaint kind of way - seems to capture the sheer futility of trying to keep a good reputation for your stuff once it's in someone else's hands.

Maybe that's just a sad quirk of my personality, though - I think I'd have a mental breakdown if I saw my lineart being abused in a series of godmoddy one-liners, or sent out to carpet-bomb an orphan hospital with plastic bags of sarin gas. Even your recolor of the FD-12 made me die on the inside a little, for reasons I can't control or explain.

That's also largely why I've never bothered adding anything else to my storefront, even though theoretically almost everything I make is available for export.

Yes.

What if you have several classes of ships with the same purpose and the same rate?

For the sake of argument, the LCS-Odd Freedom class and the LCS-Even Independence class.

These would have the same classification, say, for example 4R-L-1 and 4R-L-2. However, there's no class distinction. Is this an issue or no? Or am I missing something?

Why would this be an issue? Does 'CVN-65' and 'CVN-68' tell you that the ships are different classes? Or 'D32' vs. 'D89'? Or how the Los Angeles-class goes from SSN-773 to the Virginia-class SSN-774 while the Seawolfs somehow get SSN-21 through SSN-23? Most pennant or hull numbers make no class distinction.

[Novorden]

Whilst not ships they are launched from them...

Lynx, Fire Scout UAV (ish*) and Apache helicopters in 1 pixel to 10cm scale

* My one is bigger than the real world version. (yay, larger range/payload)

Storefronts are fun because you get to see your lineart proliferate and become parts of peoples' stories.

Downside is all the one liners and trillion dollar orders.

I like seeing my stuff being used (hence my parts sheet for the ground vehicle and CYOE threads) but i am far to lazy to maintain a store front.

[Oaledonia]

Mother of god

[Gallia-]

Mother of god

Yes it is truly the worst.

[Oaledonia]

Mother of god

Yes it is truly the worst.

Galla.
You make Iona-chan cri eveyteim.

[The Soodean Imperium]

>2009
>Still has bow torpedo tubes

My original sketch (can't find it now) had them on the sides, but my reasoning was that it would be somehow simpler to reload, and was familiar from previous Soviet subs. Sadly I only discovered Pr. 885 after the drawing was complete, and decided to leave it as is rather than risk turning it into a basic :not:Yasen.

What are the advantages, then, of side torpedo tubes? Is it really something so major that bow torpedo tubes are an anachronism?

[The Akasha Colony]

>2009
>Still has bow torpedo tubes

My original sketch (can't find it now) had them on the sides, but my reasoning was that it would be somehow simpler to reload, and was familiar from previous Soviet subs. Sadly I only discovered Pr. 885 after the drawing was complete, and decided to leave it as is rather than risk turning it into a basic :not:Yasen.

What are the advantages, then, of side torpedo tubes? Is it really something so major that bow torpedo tubes are an anachronism?

Significantly reduced flow noise over the bow, because the gaps between the torpedo tube doors and the hull even when closed are a major source of noise. This noise impedes sonar operation, reducing the speed at which the submarine can travel before its own noise deafens its sonar. It's the reason the Russians are moving to the design. The Americans adopted it because their BQQ-2 (and replacement BQQ-5 and now LAB) sonar is absolutely massive and takes up the entire bow, but it turned out to be a better arrangement.

For boats with an extreme focus on compactness and which don't expect to be operating at high speeds (e.g. diesel-electrics), it isn't as much of an issue.

[Space Nekos]

Hopefully improved wip

I think your boat davit is the wrong way around, and you lack rafts. Otherwise looks good. I'd also go for stairs instead of a ladder at the front, or just put the gun on the deck. There should probably be some sort of rangefinder and fire control system, as well.

Switched the davits (hopefully in the right way) and tried to draw stairs where the ladder once was (might widen them). I'll put on some rafts and more railing after everything else checks out.

Attempted to draw a rangefinder and fire control based on some of the shipbucket ships and google. I'm not sure if it looks correct or not.

Looking good!

I'd recommend installing some sort of fire control for the 4.7"s and posibly moving the aft-most 4.7" (Y position) down a deck and placing a 3 pounder or similar anti torpedo boat gun there instead

Looked up the 3 pounder, (Is this it?) but wasn't really sure how to draw it. Are the 12pdr, 3in, or 2pdr from the UK weapons sheet suitable? (btw, who do I put in the credit if I use stuff from there?)

[Erusuia]

Sonal Class Long Range Patrol and Surface Warfare Corvette

I've armed it with Kh-35s, but I'm thinking of using something else

thoughts?

[The Soodean Imperium]

My original sketch (can't find it now) had them on the sides, but my reasoning was that it would be somehow simpler to reload, and was familiar from previous Soviet subs. Sadly I only discovered Pr. 885 after the drawing was complete, and decided to leave it as is rather than risk turning it into a basic :not:Yasen.

What are the advantages, then, of side torpedo tubes? Is it really something so major that bow torpedo tubes are an anachronism?

Significantly reduced flow noise over the bow, because the gaps between the torpedo tube doors and the hull even when closed are a major source of noise. This noise impedes sonar operation, reducing the speed at which the submarine can travel before its own noise deafens its sonar. It's the reason the Russians are moving to the design. The Americans adopted it because their BQQ-2 (and replacement BQQ-5 and now LAB) sonar is absolutely massive and takes up the entire bow, but it turned out to be a better arrangement.

For boats with an extreme focus on compactness and which don't expect to be operating at high speeds (e.g. diesel-electrics), it isn't as much of an issue.

I see. I guess I'll move the torpedo tubes to the sides, then, since I expect speed and sonar will be important to Nepokolebimaya's role.

Other than that, though, it's a decent design? Mostly I was worried about the submarine-launched anti-ship ballistic missiles, though I reasoned (possibly again incorrectly?) that since Pr. 949 "Oscar" was firing P-700 at the same ranges I could handle targeting however they did.