Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Maybe improved?

Doesn't have any AShMs at the moment, if I can find some of those chinese C-802s I'll use them

Much, coming along very well

[Korva]

Maybe improved?

Doesn't have any AShMs at the moment, if I can find some of those chinese C-802s I'll use them

It seems like three decks above the weather deck might be a bit much for a corvette? (I'm also guilty of building ships that are too tall)

[Gallia-]

your's looks like it'll turtle on the first high speed turn

Ez design feature.
This way puny conscript navy cannot into running away from fight.

>oale
>puny

[Erusuia]

Its kind of turned into a very small frigate at this point

I'll work on it more tomorrow

[Oaledonia]

Ez design feature.
This way puny conscript navy cannot into running away from fight.

>oale
>puny

Houshou meets Yamato, Oale style :3

[Space Nekos]

Hi, I'm attempting to make a destroyer for a pt/fant alt. Supposed to be kinda 1920s-30s ish.

Still wip destroyer

Would like to know if there's anything glaringly wrong so far, and what might need to be added.

[Neu-Pommern]

Hi, I'm attempting to make a destroyer for a pt/fant alt. Supposed to be kinda 1920s-30s ish.

Still wip destroyer

Would like to know if there's anything glaringly wrong so far, and what might need to be added.

I think your boat davit is the wrong way around, and you lack rafts. Otherwise looks good. I'd also go for stairs instead of a ladder at the front, or just put the gun on the deck. There should probably be some sort of rangefinder and fire control system, as well.

[Neu-Pommern]

Work on export frigate continues. Obviously it will be available in whatever weapons and sensors fit, fits. I'm seriously considering modifying a batch for my own use.

https://i.imgur.com/rEiv1OY.png

Stats haven't been hashed out yet. Carries 16 cell Mk 48 VLS (32 ESSM / 16 Sea Sparrow) on bow, 76mm gun, and can hangar a Seahawk sized helicopter or a couple Lynx sized ones. CODAG propulsion, SMART-S / STIR fire control for ESSM and gun. EOIR out the asshole since both radar directors have EOIR sensors, plus the dedicated EOIR director. As is Pommern convention, hangar has a sliding door for use as a mission bay and "throw-it-off-the-side" style mine laying. Both Nulka and MASS are present mostly as display models for possible ECM placement. Features proper refueling UNREP facilities which the Holleman class lacks.

baby burke needed a baby perry to keep it company

[The Soodean Imperium]

Can anyone help with the Russian radars?

*Soode signal shines, theme music starts playing*

Russian radars are complicated, I'll give you that, since they're quite specialized between gun/missile and director. There's no way I can explain it all here, but fortunately Gollevainen made two new parts sheets (with more on the way eventually) which will be very useful to newcomers.

Russian Arms <- has the missiles but is old and needs some revision
Naval Artillery Systems <- better quality but only has guns

As it is, Erusia, your latest ship has the correct targeting systems for the CIWS, gun, and Naval Osa, but lacks an air search radar (the one on top of the mast is for the aft SAMs). Navigation radar also seems rather large for a ship of this size.

Re: anti-ship missiles, P-270 Moskit is rather old, though there is the 3M82M upgrade introduced in the mid-1990s for China's Sovremenny-class destroyers which increases speed and range. Even so, it's a very bulky system (fired from the giant angled tubes amidships) and there are better options out there. For a ship of this size, you're probably going to want Kh-35 "Uran," which resembles the USN's Harpoon. Another option is 3M54 "Klub," which is much more capable than the Moskit and arguably superior to the P-800 and BrahMos. It requires a 10-meter-deep VLS cell, though, and IDK whether it could be fired from angled tubes.

Osa is also really old, come to think of it. Other options are "Kinzhal," the naval version of "Tor," and of course "Kashtan" whose missiles have a decent range if sub-par accuracy. "Shtil," the naval version of "Buk," might potentially be an option, and it comes in both single-arm and vertically launched variants. But it's pretty meh in my opinion, in that it has the exact same dimensions as the American SM-2 but less than half the range.

Anti-Submarine armament is probably a must for the sort of patrol corvette you're talking about. This could consist of 533mm torpedoes fired from fixed mounts out the sides of the hull. If you want extra levels of Glory, though, there's also the RBU-series of launchers, which fire depth-charge rockets out to a range of several kilometers. These are seen on Gollevainen's artillery sheet, but be aware that some models are much more capable than others. Either way, you'll need a sonar mount under the hull (not necessarily under the bow, for a corvette) and likely a variable-depth sonar or towed sonar array stored in the stern.

[Kouralia]

fml, finally my Frigate is complete.

Tomorrow... the stats! Then... the write-up!

Then... trying to flog it on GE/T!

Why do you have AESA panels and SAMPSON?

On a longer warship, I could possibly understand the addition of SMART-L/S1850M for a redundant radar system and other uses.

I don't know, really... The AESA Panels were on the warship I originally traced from and I wasn't too sure what they were, so I kept them.

As for the redundancy, I'm not sure what to do. I'll try my hand at an AD Destroyer in the same vein, and if that goes well then I'll move the SMART-L over to the Destroyer, limiting the expenses for the Frigate. If it doesn't go well, then until that point this Frigate is the primary AA weapon of my fleets, and I can (I suppose) claim NS Economies of scale (For example, in one year $205,000,000,000 of Kouralian Corvettes (1,000 in total) were bought by one customer) to justify the overt expense.

[The Soodean Imperium]

As for the redundancy, I'm not sure what to do. I'll try my hand at an AD Destroyer in the same vein, and if that goes well then I'll move the SMART-L over to the Destroyer, limiting the expenses for the Frigate. If it doesn't go well, then until that point this Frigate is the primary AA weapon of my fleets, and I can (I suppose) claim NS Economies of scale (For example, in one year $205,000,000,000 of Kouralian Corvettes (1,000 in total) were bought by one customer) to justify the overt expense.

This is why I refuse, on principle, to ever open a storefront...

Anyway, the ship is looking better. It still seems quite small for a main AA weapon; the Arleigh Burke and its various derivatives are above the 150-meter mark, so I'd recommend making a larger vessel to complement it, especially if you're going for US-expy doctrine and will be sending carrier battlegroups everywhere to intervene in things.

You might want to improve anti-submarine warfare capabilities though



Nepokolebimaya-class SSGN

Specifications:
- First Commissioned: 2009
- Length: 106.4 meters
- Draft (surfaced): 9.4 meters
- Surfaced Displacement: 4400 tonnes
- Submerged Displacement: 5800 tonnes
- Complement: 102
- Powerplant: Nuclear, 1x 210-MW Pressurized Water Reactor
- Propulsion: 1x Pumpjet
- Maximum speed: 36 knots submerged
- Traveling range: unlimited

Armament:
- 2x 650mm torpedo tube (8 torpedoes carried)
- 6x 533mm torpedo tube (28 torpedoes carried)
- 10x Large VLS Tube
Configuration I: 50x 3M54 "Klub" AShM or Tianchizei-2 Cruise Missile
Configuration II: 10x Seodang-7M Navalized Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile
Configuration III: 6x Seodang-7M Navalized AShBM and 20x 3M54 "Klub" or Tianchizei-2
- 4x Igla MANPADS (carried inside for use while surfaced)
- Mines and acoustic decoys can be carried in place of torpedoes

Electronics:
- 1x High-Strength Active/Passive Sonar
- 1x Towed Sonar Array
- 1x MG-70 Mine Detection Sonar
- 1x MRK-50 "Snoop Tray 2" surface search radar
- 1x "Rim Hat" ESM/ECM
- 1x MNK-100 SOKS non-acoustic submarine detection system
- 1x Scanning Periscope
- 1x Aiming Periscope
- 1x Syntez "Pert Spring" SATCOM
- 1x LF/VLF/ELF receiver antenna
- 1x "Shot Gun" UHF/VHF antenna

Overview:
The Nepokolebimaya-class SSGN is the most recent addition to the Imperial Soodean Navy's submarine arsenal, and its design features reflect some of the important doctrinal changes of the post-2004 period. Unlike the previous Sha'tsaoyu class optimized for long-range patrols, and the abandoned Krepkaya-class proposal intended for deploying cruise missiles and special forces teams, the Nepokolebimaya was envisioned with the goal of engaging hostile fleets while operating in or around the Meditethrhean Sea. This makes it a specialized SSGN, somewhat similar to the much larger Project 949 submarines of the Soviet Union, especially when armed with tubes in the "B" configuration. In terms of quieting, it is only marginally superior to its predecessor, and its passive sonar is not as sensitive. The capacity of the stores for on-board supplies and the relatively low crew size also suggest a shorter mission duration closer to home ports. Yet its main armament gives it a major advantage against local opponents.

On the basic hull, the Nepokolebimaya-class is fitted with ten 1.6-meter-wide tubes in a bulge structure just abaft the bridge. These can be configured to hold five 533mm anti-ship or cruise missiles ("A") arranged in a ring, or a single short-range ballistic missile ("B"). The two configurations require different internal layouts, missile interfaces, and cold-launch equipment, however, so once a tube is completed in one format it cannot be converted to another without a lengthy internal overhaul. Thus the first two hulls were completed with all-"A" tubes, the next two with an all-"B" layout, and subsequent vessels with a mixed armament of six "B" and two "A." It should also be noted that additional cruise missiles in the 533mm range can be fired from the forward torpedo tubes, which can also be used to deploy sea mines.

"A" configured launch tubes can fire the "Klub-S" family of missiles, though the Soodean arsenal only includes the 3M54E and 3M54E1 supersonic terminal and sub-sonic anti-ship variants, respectively. For land attack, the tubes may be armed with the indigenously developed Tianchizei-2 cruise missile, which has a maximum range on the order of 2000 kilometers. "B" configured tubes are designed to accomodate the heavier the Seodang-7M, a specialized development of the Seodang-7 short-range ballistic missile, also indigenously developed. This "M" (Ma, sea) variant is modified for increased corrosion resistance and underwater launch, though the added weight results in a range reduction from 750 to 600 kilometers. More importantly, however, it is fitted with a greatly improved electro-optical terminal seeker, and is optimized for use as an anti-ship ballistic missile (because of the inertial and GPS backup guidance, it can also be used in the land-attack role). When used in coordination with targeting aid from air- and sea-based assets, this makes the Nepokolebimaya-class an important element of the Imperial Soodean Navy's "unwavering" maritime defenses.

[Kouralia]

As for the redundancy, I'm not sure what to do. I'll try my hand at an AD Destroyer in the same vein, and if that goes well then I'll move the SMART-L over to the Destroyer, limiting the expenses for the Frigate. If it doesn't go well, then until that point this Frigate is the primary AA weapon of my fleets, and I can (I suppose) claim NS Economies of scale (For example, in one year $205,000,000,000 of Kouralian Corvettes (1,000 in total) were bought by one customer) to justify the overt expense.

This is why I refuse, on principle, to ever open a storefront...

I love it. My Economy is, presumably, doing pretty damned well.

Anyway, the ship is looking better. It still seems quite small for a main AA weapon; the Arleigh Burke and its various derivatives are above the 150-meter mark, so I'd recommend making a larger vessel to complement it, especially if you're going for US-expy doctrine and will be sending carrier battlegroups everywhere to intervene in things.

Yeah, It'll be nearly identical, but bigger. Like the F-3000 and F-1700 were related vessels. How should I organise a Battle Group? I'm thinking:

Kouralian Battle Fleet:

• Flag Group:
  • Carrier
  • Guided Missile Cruiser
  • Guided Missile Cruiser
  • AA Destroyer
  • AA Destroyer
  • ASW Frigate
  • ASW Frigate
  • Auxiliary Fast Combat Support Ship
• Second Group:
  • Flight Deck Cruiser
  • Guided Missile Cruiser/Destroyer
  • AA Frigate/Destroyer
  • AA Frigate/Destroyer
  • ASW Frigate
  • ASW Frigate
  • Auxiliary Fast Combat Support Ship
• Third Group
• Underrating Group:
  • Attack Submarine
  • Attack Submarine
  • Attack Submarine
  • Attack Submarine
  • Attack Submarine
  • Ballistic Missile Submarine
• Amphibious Group:
  • not!HMS Ocean
  • Not!Wasp Class
  • not!Wasp
  • not!Bay Class
  • Guided Missile Cruiser/Destroyer
  • AA Frigate/Destroyer
  • AA Frigate/Destroyer
  • ASW Frigate
  • ASW Frigate
  • Auxiliary Fast Combat Support Ship
• Auxiliary Group:
  • Fleet Command Vessel
  • Auxiliary Replenishment Oiler
  • Auxiliary Replenishment Oiler
  • Auxiliary Forward Repair Ship
  • Auxiliary Casualty Receiving Ship
  • AA Destroyer
  • AA Destroyer
  • ASW Frigate
  • ASW Frigate

That's obviously open to change based on necessity (e.g. if the Lykosian Navy fucking loves submarines then perhaps an additional ASW Frigate per battlegroup patrolling in the Northern AO, while the Carrier-heavy Herdite Navy may necessitate additional AA Frigates), but is the basic format of a Kouralian Fleet, of which there are 20 (/21). Any major problems/things it's missing?

You might want to improve anti-submarine warfare capabilities though

What ASW Qualities are needed in an AA Frigate? Most ASW Capability atm is provided by variants of the Freestian-built 'Broadsword Class' Frigate.

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*snip*

Ver' Nice.

[Korva]

Storefronts are fun because you get to see your lineart proliferate and become parts of peoples' stories.

Downside is all the one liners and trillion dollar orders.

[The Soodean Imperium]

-snip-

You'll probably want to assign one attack submarine to each Battlegroup; their sensitive passive sonar and low noise levels make them valuable for detecting and tracking other submarines. Grouping them all together into one "wolf pack" was common in WWI/WWII but isn't as efficient today.

Storefronts are fun because you get to see your lineart proliferate and become parts of peoples' stories.

Downside is all the one liners and trillion dollar orders.

I notice that a lot of people put in disclaimers amounting to "it is forbidden to use this item in a godmodding post," which - though admirable, in a quaint kind of way - seems to capture the sheer futility of trying to keep a good reputation for your stuff once it's in someone else's hands.

Maybe that's just a sad quirk of my personality, though - I think I'd have a mental breakdown if I saw my lineart being abused in a series of godmoddy one-liners, or sent out to carpet-bomb an orphan hospital with plastic bags of sarin gas. Even your recolor of the FD-12 made me die on the inside a little, for reasons I can't control or explain.

[New Frenco Empire]

-snip-

You'll probably want to assign one attack submarine to each Battlegroup; their sensitive passive sonar and low noise levels make them valuable for detecting and tracking other submarines. Grouping them all together into one "wolf pack" was common in WWI/WWII but isn't as efficient today.

Storefronts are fun because you get to see your lineart proliferate and become parts of peoples' stories.

Downside is all the one liners and trillion dollar orders.

I notice that a lot of people put in disclaimers amounting to "it is forbidden to use this item in a godmodding post," which - though admirable, in a quaint kind of way - seems to capture the sheer futility of trying to keep a good reputation for your stuff once it's in someone else's hands.

Maybe that's just a sad quirk of my personality, though - I think I'd have a mental breakdown if I saw my lineart being abused in a series of godmoddy one-liners, or sent out to carpet-bomb an orphan hospital with plastic bags of sarin gas. Even your recolor of the FD-12 made me die on the inside a little, for reasons I can't control or explain.

Security clearance (/roleplay evaluation)? Seems to work well in keeping Lyran nuclear standoff bombers out of the hands of the noobish/excessively ebul.

[Connori Pilgrims]

You might want to improve anti-submarine warfare capabilities though

What ASW Qualities are needed in an AA Frigate? Most ASW Capability atm is provided by variants of the Freestian-built 'Broadsword Class' Frigate.

Even the Arleigh Burke and Ticonderoga classes, while primarily AAW ships, have at least two banks of ASW torpedoes for self-defence. Of course, the onboard helo is another potent ASW tool. If your VLS is long enough it can probably accept some kind of ASROC.
I am of the mind that dividing capability up between multiple hull classes ala the Sovremennyy/Udaloy approach is a senseless waste of resources when one does not have the same limitations as the Russians (i.e. their primary AShM and ASW missiles and their associated fire control being so large as to necessitate specialization in destroyer/frigate size hull categories).

[Oaledonia]

Kour, Flight Deck Cruiser?
Aviation Cruiser (CCV) or get out newb.

[Gallia-]

Kour, Flight Deck Cruiser?
Aviation Cruiser (CCV) or get out newb.

i will fite u irl w/ cvb

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Hi, I'm attempting to make a destroyer for a pt/fant alt. Supposed to be kinda 1920s-30s ish.

Still wip destroyer

Would like to know if there's anything glaringly wrong so far, and what might need to be added.

Looking good!

I'd recommend installing some sort of fire control for the 4.7"s and posibly moving the aft-most 4.7" (Y position) down a deck and placing a 3 pounder or similar anti torpedo boat gun there instead

[Oaledonia]

Kour, Flight Deck Cruiser?
Aviation Cruiser (CCV) or get out newb.

i will fite u irl w/ cvb

I still use Merchant Aircraft Carriers in large numbers. I think I have 87.

[Kouralia]

-snip-

You'll probably want to assign one attack submarine to each Battlegroup; their sensitive passive sonar and low noise levels make them valuable for detecting and tracking other submarines. Grouping them all together into one "wolf pack" was common in WWI/WWII but isn't as efficient today.

Yeah, that's what normally happens. They're just retained under a 'separate' 'command' because they were seen as dishonourable. In the Kouralian Navy, ships aren't Frigates etc. (or, once I've worked out how to delineate between the different rates they won't be), they'll be First to Sixth Rates (or Sloops of War), based on tonnage. So, a Ship classification/hull numbers could be... 1R-AN-01, for the 'First Rate, Aviation (Aircraft Carrier) Nuclear powered, Vessel 01' (The RKNV Zeus). Auxiliary Ships are rated 'AR' for Auxiliary Rate, Sloops are 'SR' for Sloop-Rate and Submarines are 'UR' for Under-Rate.

The origins of 'Under-Rating' the Submarines is unclear. One idea is that as it goes 'sub' or 'under' the water, they are 'Under(water) Rates'. If you ask a regular seaman they'll tell you, b/c of banter, that it's because they're Rated 'Underhanded' or dishonourable. Obviously, a submariner will tell you it's because they're 'Underrated' in their capabilities and skill - something that is, despite the tradition and banter, very much untrue. Only the top 40% of those going for a role are eligible for selection for a submarine job.

Even the Arleigh Burke and Ticonderoga classes, while primarily AAW ships, have at least two banks of ASW torpedoes for self-defence. Of course, the onboard helo is another potent ASW tool. If your VLS is long enough it can probably accept some kind of ASROC.
I am of the mind that dividing capability up between multiple hull classes ala the Sovremennyy/Udaloy approach is a senseless waste of resources when one does not have the same limitations as the Russians (i.e. their primary AShM and ASW missiles and their associated fire control being so large as to necessitate specialization in destroyer/frigate size hull categories).

The ship carries 24 Torpedoes ready to launch from either of the two four-tube batteries, visible just aft of the shutter doors and afore of the hangar's 'outline'. It's also got a Merlin-sized helicopter, and I'll consider the ASROC role. It's also got sonar in the bow bulge. Anything else it needs, or is that enough for an AA Frigate?

What do you mean RE: the capability splitting? Like the way the Type 45 is primarily an AA Destroyer?

Kour, Flight Deck Cruiser?
Aviation Cruiser (CCV) or get out newb.

CCV? Surely you mean 3R-A-14?

[Yukonastan]

*snip*
CCV? Surely you mean 3R-A-14?

Your numbering system confuses me.

If I take this right, this is the fourteenth hull of aviation ships, third rate?

[Valloria]

snip

They feel incredibly under armed for the size, a destroyer in my navy a century ago (2018) is 550 ft long and carries 82 vertical missile tubes, each can carry one or four smaller missiles

plus 70 gatling guns is rather limited if you need to strike a target 10km away and want to do it on the cheap, though you're CIWS is going to be great if they are automated and connected to a tracking radar

Consider the fact that a "missile emplacement" contains 10 automatic missile launchers, which means roughly 30 missiles launched per minute from each, which means 300 launches per minute from 1 emplacement, which means 6000 launches per minute from the entire ship. That's a hell of a firing pattern. The gatling guns are also armed with explosive ammo. The purpose of the Giggity-class ships are to destroy entire cities. They're extremely efficient in blowing stuff up with that explosive ammo.

[Tyrygia]

This is the current Tyrygian fleet:
• 2x Nimitz class aircraft carriers
• 1x San Antonio class amphibious transport dock (command ship)
• 3x Wasp class Amphibious assault ships
• 25x Arleigh Burke class destroyers
• 5x Ticonderoga class cruisers
• 4x Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates
• 13x Seawolf class attack submarines
• 5x Ohio class guided missile submarines
• 2x Mercy class hospital ships
• 9x Lewis and Clark class dry cargo ships
• 7x Bob Hope class vehicle cargo ships
• 4x Henry J. Kaiser class replenishment oilers
• 1x Kilauea class ammunition ship
• 3x Safeguard class salvage ships
• 2x Emory S. Land submarine tenders
• 4x Avenger class mine counter measure ships
• 5x Sgt. Matej Kocat class maritime prepositioning ships
• 1x Iowa class battleship

[Kouralia]

*snip*
CCV? Surely you mean 3R-A-14?

Your numbering system confuses me.

If I take this right, this is the fourteenth hull of aviation ships, third rate?

Yes.