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New Frenco Empire
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:30 am

Ragnarum wrote:I barely know anything about naval warfare, but I'm simply wondering, is there anyone here who thinks that railguns could reinvent the battleship in the future?

I don't have a PhD in the field of naval warfare either, but the general consensus seems to point to "no". Missiles will continue to outclass guns, even magnetically-accelerated ones, in any foreseeable future. That's not to say that railguns cannot complement ships. Stick one or two on a Zumwalt and you're good to go. Best stick to the VLS, though.
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Ragnarum
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Postby Ragnarum » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:32 am

Yup, that's about what I thought really. I've just heard people going on about it somewhere and was wondering about its plausibility.
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Opplandia
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Postby Opplandia » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:31 am

Gallia- wrote:Railguns are great for warships.


yeah, as long as these ships are at least as large as a Tico and produce enough energy to power a city with a populace of 100.000ppl. otherwise it wouldnt work that well.
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Auroya
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Postby Auroya » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:27 am

Opplandia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:Railguns are great for warships.


yeah, as long as these ships are at least as large as a Tico and produce enough energy to power a city with a populace of 100.000ppl. otherwise it wouldnt work that well.


Yeah, about that.

It's quite possible to mount a nuclear reactor on a ship
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Opplandia
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Postby Opplandia » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:01 am

Auroya wrote:
Opplandia wrote:
yeah, as long as these ships are at least as large as a Tico and produce enough energy to power a city with a populace of 100.000ppl. otherwise it wouldnt work that well.


Yeah, about that.

It's quite possible to mount a nuclear reactor on a ship


yeah, Im quite aware of that. I just indicated that the whole concept of a ship-mounted railgun isnt that practicable actually.
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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:31 pm

Opplandia wrote:
Auroya wrote:
Yeah, about that.

It's quite possible to mount a nuclear reactor on a ship


yeah, Im quite aware of that. I just indicated that the whole concept of a ship-mounted railgun isnt that practicable actually.

Yeah champ, keep moving those goalposts!

Anyways, raingunz have a niche role as shore bombardment.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:55 pm

I changed my Navy's submarine count to fit my doctrine better:

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Postby Auroya » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:01 pm

Opplandia wrote:as long as these ships are at least as large as a Tico and produce enough energy to power a city with a populace of 100.000ppl.


Opplandia wrote:
yeah, Im quite aware of that. I just indicated that the whole concept of a ship-mounted railgun isnt that practicable actually.


...Are you sure?
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Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:36 pm

Unreachable.

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Postby Dewhurst-Narculis » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:39 pm



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Postby Gallia- » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:01 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Opplandia wrote:
yeah, Im quite aware of that. I just indicated that the whole concept of a ship-mounted railgun isnt that practicable actually.

Yeah champ, keep moving those goalposts!

Anyways, raingunz have a niche role as shore bombardment.


No they don't, they're worse than missiles at that job.

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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:06 am

Gallia- wrote:No they don't, they're worse than missiles at that job.

No you don't get to tell railguns what to do.
You're not their mother.
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Gallia-
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:07 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:No they don't, they're worse than missiles at that job.

No you don't get to tell railguns what to do.
You're not their mother.


Railguns shoot really fast.

What needs lots of bullets in the air in short periods of time across a narrow arc?

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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:08 am

Gallia- wrote:What needs lots of bullets in the air in short periods of time across a narrow arc?

Your mom.
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Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
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Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:14 am


Fucking gigantic. More like skylights than actual windows.
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Imperial Cirasthayi
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Postby Imperial Cirasthayi » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:04 am

Opplandia wrote:
Auroya wrote:
Yeah, about that.

It's quite possible to mount a nuclear reactor on a ship


yeah, Im quite aware of that. I just indicated that the whole concept of a ship-mounted railgun isnt that practicable actually.

Tell that to the US Navy.
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New Vihenia
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Postby New Vihenia » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:15 am

Gallia- wrote:
Railguns shoot really fast.

What needs lots of bullets in the air in short periods of time across a narrow arc?



So..CIWS :3 But hey..we're already have dat lazers 4 it.

ABM ?..looks more practical.
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Gallia-
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:22 am

New Vihenia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
Railguns shoot really fast.

What needs lots of bullets in the air in short periods of time across a narrow arc?



So..CIWS :3 But hey..we're already have dat lazers 4 it.

ABM ?..looks more practical.


CIWS is basically the only thing railguns are being used for IRL, so...

Missiles are infinitely better for ABM.

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Mitheldalond
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Founded: Mar 15, 2013
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Postby Mitheldalond » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:07 pm

Imperial Cirasthayi wrote:
Opplandia wrote:
yeah, Im quite aware of that. I just indicated that the whole concept of a ship-mounted railgun isnt that practicable actually.

Tell that to the US Navy.

I'd be happy to. I'd also like to tell them that the Zumwalts are a waste of time and money. They have fewer missiles than an Alreigh Burke and are significantly larger. They also appear to have zero point defenses, unless the 57mm guns are supposed to do that. The only thing the Zumwalts have over the Burkes is those two 155mm guns, which are going to be completely useless at least 90% of the time. And that's only because nobody's bothered to put it on a Burke


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Mitheldalond
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Postby Mitheldalond » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:22 pm

Gallia- wrote:Zumwalts don't have 57mm guns. :o

30mm, my bad. I guess "Mk 57 VLS" got combined with that fact that they look like the Mk 110 gun mount to convert them to 57mm guns.

That is unfortunate. The 57mm's would have made better CIWS than a couple Bushmasters.

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Postby Gallia- » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:26 pm

Mitheldalond wrote:
Gallia- wrote:Zumwalts don't have 57mm guns. :o

30mm, my bad. I guess "Mk 57 VLS" got combined with that fact that they look like the Mk 110 gun mount to convert them to 57mm guns.

That is unfortunate. The 57mm's would have made better CIWS than a couple Bushmasters.


Zumwalt doesn't have CIWS. :o

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