Your Nations Warships, MKII

[United Allied Earth Federation]

Ever heard of it?
Pretty Damn Big Huh.

What is the name of the ship?

Cruise homeport.

[Sjovenia]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

As long as you stay away from battleship-calibre APFSDS shells or other comparable odd ammunition. I was really busted over the last few pages on this.
But I don't see why not, I mean, the US did it with the Iowas.

So you could have a ship with more power (HP) than the old ones from wwII so they are a bit faster albeit not destroyer fast, have target locking missiles and or whatever a normal destroyer has (x2). The guy above I think, thinks I am talking about using an old wwII battleship in today's time but I mean a battleship fitted with today's technology and upped horsepower/engine power. Is it possible to use it in a fight today?

[Lubyak]

As long as you stay away from battleship-calibre APFSDS shells or other comparable odd ammunition. I was really busted over the last few pages on this.
But I don't see why not, I mean, the US did it with the Iowas.

So you could have a ship with more power (HP) than the old ones from wwII so they are a bit faster albeit not destroyer fast, have target locking missiles and or whatever a normal destroyer has (x2). The guy above I think, thinks I am talking about using an old wwII battleship in today's time but I mean a battleship fitted with today's technology and upped horsepower/engine power. Is it possible to use it in a fight today?

Here's the thing, the only difference between what you're describing and an already existing missile cruiser or destroyer is that it will likely be bigger. As a result, you have to ask yourself why you need one bigger ship, instead of multiple smaller ones. The multiple smaller ones will be more flexible and more damage resistant (e.g. if one gets hit by an AShM, you still have 2/3 your firepower, while even a large ship could be crippled by a single AShM hit). There is nothing wrong persay with having an extra large missile ship and calling it a battleship, but you have to know why the ship needs to be that large. Supercarriers are as big as they are since they need all the room for proper operation of their aircraft. Will this battleship of yours need the extra hullspace for something you couldn't just stick on a smaller vessel? If the answer is yes, then go ahead. If the answer is no, then perhaps reconsider.

[Spirit of Hope]

As long as you stay away from battleship-calibre APFSDS shells or other comparable odd ammunition. I was really busted over the last few pages on this.
But I don't see why not, I mean, the US did it with the Iowas.

So you could have a ship with more power (HP) than the old ones from wwII so they are a bit faster albeit not destroyer fast, have target locking missiles and or whatever a normal destroyer has (x2). The guy above I think, thinks I am talking about using an old wwII battleship in today's time but I mean a battleship fitted with today's technology and upped horsepower/engine power. Is it possible to use it in a fight today?

Can you make it? Yes.
Is it worth making? No.

First it would start sucking up about as much resources as a carrier, but not have the flexibility or the range of a carrier. It would still be vulnerable like a carrier, submarines and anti ship ballistic missiles are the two biggest threats.

Most naval engagements are going to be carriers launching planes to strike at other fleets, while the cruisers and destroys try and protect the carriers. Where does the battleship fit into this? It isn't going to be getting close enough to engage ship to ship, and it isn't going to improve over the destroyers and frigates in the role of protecting the carrier.

[The Soodean Imperium]

As long as you stay away from battleship-calibre APFSDS shells or other comparable odd ammunition. I was really busted over the last few pages on this.
But I don't see why not, I mean, the US did it with the Iowas.

So you could have a ship with more power (HP) than the old ones from wwII so they are a bit faster albeit not destroyer fast, have target locking missiles and or whatever a normal destroyer has (x2). The guy above I think, thinks I am talking about using an old wwII battleship in today's time but I mean a battleship fitted with today's technology and upped horsepower/engine power. Is it possible to use it in a fight today?

Again: Possible yes, but preferable to other options? Not really.

A boost in horsepower is not going to help you very much, as ship speed is limited as much by hull drag as it is by engine power. Indeed, certain WWII battleships could travel at speeds of up to 30 knots, which isn't much slower than many of the latest destroyers.

As for armament... well, there are a lot of reasons why missile battleships aren't a good idea, but the easiest is to think of it as "don't put all your eggs in one basket." Two destroyers can split up, deploy one at a time, and move (slightly) faster than a single battleship with two destroyers' worth of missiles. They're also easier to build and maintain, and if one of them takes a critical hit, the other can keep on fighting - whereas with a single battleship, a missile strike to the bridge or radar will leave you unable to fight.

There are indeed some reasons to build larger craft; certain components, such as heavy anti-ship missiles, large radars, high-grade sonars, and so forth can only be fit on hulls of a certain size. But even these typically don't require anything more than a ~175-meter hull. Generally speaking, you want to spread out your combat capabilities among several ships rather than concentrating all of them on a single hull.

[The Akasha Colony]

As long as you stay away from battleship-calibre APFSDS shells or other comparable odd ammunition. I was really busted over the last few pages on this.
But I don't see why not, I mean, the US did it with the Iowas.

So you could have a ship with more power (HP) than the old ones from wwII so they are a bit faster albeit not destroyer fast, have target locking missiles and or whatever a normal destroyer has (x2). The guy above I think, thinks I am talking about using an old wwII battleship in today's time but I mean a battleship fitted with today's technology and upped horsepower/engine power. Is it possible to use it in a fight today?

It is possible but not terribly cost-effective. Replacing the engines and all of the weapons of an existing battleship is going to be exorbitantly expensive, at which point you may as well just build a new ship.

Not like battleships of WWII were necessarily slow. Fast battleships of that period could already exceed 30 knots, which is the same speed modern warships can reach.

[Rich and Corporations]

So you could have a ship with more power (HP) than the old ones from wwII so they are a bit faster albeit not destroyer fast, have target locking missiles and or whatever a normal destroyer has (x2). The guy above I think, thinks I am talking about using an old wwII battleship in today's time but I mean a battleship fitted with today's technology and upped horsepower/engine power. Is it possible to use it in a fight today?

It is possible but not terribly cost-effective. Replacing the engines and all of the weapons of an existing battleship is going to be exorbitantly expensive, at which point you may as well just build a new ship.

Not like battleships of WWII were necessarily slow. Fast battleships of that period could already exceed 30 knots, which is the same speed modern warships can reach.

Modern engines have better acceleration curves.
Particularly electric transmissions or nuclear steam based propulsion.

And redoing the hull is close to scraping the ship. Much of a warship's design is focused on damage containment, structural load bearing, and armor. Pretty sure any major changes is impossible.

Still, it's more efficient having a bigger warship than a smaller one. Engine size is proportional to below-waterline surface area. Could store more supplies and add a little more armor (having some armor never hurts).

[Pharthan]

Modern engines have better acceleration curves.
Particularly electric transmissions or nuclear steam based propulsion.

Electric and gas turbine, specifically.
Steam power is notoriously slow to accelerate.
Nuclear power plant acceleration "curves" are... wonky. Lots of factors.

This was my take on a modern battleship. I called it a battlecruiser because it's more lightly armored that a traditional battleship, but it fills the same role.


Started work on, and almost finished with a fleet carrier. Roughly 850 feet long, meant to carry 40-50 aircraft. Haven't had good enough internet to do a lot of research on this one, so critiques are more than welcome.

[-Alpine-]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=-alp ... /id=265230

[Organized States]

Would having one major surface combatant program (mix of a guided missile destroyer and anti air frigate) like the one the Royal Canadian Navy has be a good idea?

[United lunar colonies]

Federation of United Lunar Colonies capital ship

SGS Volkov, an Andrews class Battlestar
http://oi60.tinypic.com/67uqo2.jpg (frontal view (not the best drawing))
http://oi61.tinypic.com/33moplk.jpg (side view)

Constructed by Federation Spaceguard in the 2090s, the Andrews class battlestars were constructed to project power and control large areas of space with their powerful laser armament, usually escorted by several Peary class destroyers. During test fires of the main laser, a green light can be seen across the solar system, giving the ship type its name "Battlestar". The Volkov is largest spaceguard ships constructed to date and the first to feature major armor protection against kinetic energy weapons.

Compliment: 20 crew, up to 40 active marines

Propulsion:
3Gw fission fragment reactor with "afterburner", cooled by liquid droplet radiators
- 20,000 metric tons of propellant

Hull:
(weapons and cargo sections) 2m standoff whipple shield, .5m of carbon-titanium matrix
(propellent tanks) .4m of self-healing polymer

Armament:
3x 500Mw visible wavelength free electron laser firing through 50m wide main mirror and 4x 8m wide turreted mirror
16x “metalstorm” rapid-fire missile launchers
2x 200Mw magbeam accelerator (propels shuttles and some missiles on external power)
200 mk8 kinetic anti-ship missiles
100 mk6 kinetic anti-ship missiles
150 mk28 interceptor missiles
50 mk9(n) nuclear missiles
50 mk10(n) nuclear anti-ship missiles
200 mk33 orbit to surface missiles

Cargo:
8x gunships
20x boarding shuttles
150x marines or colonists in cryosleep
40x surveillance and communication relay probes

[New Vihenia]

Doing a stretch.

Stretch

Basically adding twice the displacement of the shorter Marielle class. (Surface displacement is about 3900-4100 ton) Submerged displacement will depend on main ballast tank volume. Assuming similar ROB (Reserve of Buoyancy) As Marielle, displacement of up to 5000 ton is possible.

The stretched hull contain more LOX and Hydrogen+battery and larger power diesel engine with additional VLS or Lockout chamber for special operation deployment.

looking at German U-216 concept .. So they take it over 9000 with 80 days of underwater endurance and 3950 ton surfaced displacement.

One thing i'm still trying to get around is how actually hydrogen capacity of Metal Hydrate is calculated/determined. Metal hydrate storage relies on chemical reaction to store hydrogen and release it by addition of heat. This method so far is the safest for submarine application in my view at least since the metal hydrate is practically solid.

[Zikron]

The backbone of the Zikroni Navy are its frigates.


The Hidalgo's Bane, one of the latest Zikroni frigates

The Zikroni frigates are the first ocean-going frigates in history. Constructed from Samson Oak, their hulls are strong enough to shrug off light cannon fire. Their speed and strength make them quite terrifying to the Spanish and Portuguese merchants they frequently attack.

[Lithuania-Latvia]

2 Charon class light frigates
With one Halycon light cruiser on the way

[Connori Pilgrims]

Would having one major surface combatant program (mix of a guided missile destroyer and anti air frigate) like the one the Royal Canadian Navy has be a good idea?

If you're restricted in funding, yes. That's the main thing driving such big-ticket one-size-fits-all programs now really; the fact that they can't afford specialized classes like they used to.

[Lamoni]

Would having one major surface combatant program (mix of a guided missile destroyer and anti air frigate) like the one the Royal Canadian Navy has be a good idea?

If you're restricted in funding, yes. That's the main thing driving such big-ticket one-size-fits-all programs now really; the fact that they can't afford specialized classes like they used to.

Of course, if you really want to get smart about it, you'd have a system like the Danish STANFLEX, allowing the same ship to be able to take on different roles with but a change of modules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANFLEX

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Federation of United Lunar Colonies capital ship

SGS Volkov, an Andrews class Battlestar
http://oi60.tinypic.com/67uqo2.jpg (frontal view (not the best drawing))
http://oi61.tinypic.com/33moplk.jpg (side view)

Constructed by Federation Spaceguard in the 2090s, the Andrews class battlestars were constructed to project power and control large areas of space with their powerful laser armament, usually escorted by several Peary class destroyers. During test fires of the main laser, a green light can be seen across the solar system, giving the ship type its name "Battlestar". The Volkov is largest spaceguard ships constructed to date and the first to feature major armor protection against kinetic energy weapons.

Compliment: 20 crew, up to 40 active marines

Propulsion:
3Gw fission fragment reactor with "afterburner", cooled by liquid droplet radiators
- 20,000 metric tons of propellant

Hull:
(weapons and cargo sections) 2m standoff whipple shield, .5m of carbon-titanium matrix
(propellent tanks) .4m of self-healing polymer

Armament:
3x 500Mw visible wavelength free electron laser firing through 50m wide main mirror and 4x 8m wide turreted mirror
16x “metalstorm” rapid-fire missile launchers
2x 200Mw magbeam accelerator (propels shuttles and some missiles on external power)
200 mk8 kinetic anti-ship missiles
100 mk6 kinetic anti-ship missiles
150 mk28 interceptor missiles
50 mk9(n) nuclear missiles
50 mk10(n) nuclear anti-ship missiles
200 mk33 orbit to surface missiles

Cargo:
8x gunships
20x boarding shuttles
150x marines or colonists in cryosleep
40x surveillance and communication relay probes

Yay, as of now I'm not the weakest Interplanetary civilization on NS!

[Rich and Corporations]

http://news.usni.org/2014/06/27/documen ... one-strike

It looks like modern US warships can't even handle a small drone crashing into it.

[EsToVnIa]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/169463542/Ships/Berg-Onund%20class.png

:Arleigh-Burke intensifies:

[Gingeska]

http://republicofgingeska.webs.com/navy
Click link for images.

Gingeska navy ships.

Combat ships:
2 Gingeska Class Aircraft Carriers (Nuclear Powered)
6 Łudzik Class Cruisers (Nuclear Powered)
26 Łudzik Class Destroyers
10 Orzeł Class Destroyers (ASW)
32 Foka Class Corvettes
12 Wilk Class Attack Submarines
18 Rekin Class Attack Submarines
8 Ęmmósś Class Attack Submarines (Nuclear Power)
3 Narwal Class Ballistic Missile Submarines (Nuclear P)
6 Czchtowa Class Intelligence/EW Vessel

+ Supply, Fuel, Mine laying, and Landing Vessels.

[Yukonastan]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/169463542/Ships/Berg-Onund%20class.png

:Arleigh-Burke intensifies:

-desire to know more intensifies-

[Organized States]

http://news.usni.org/2014/06/27/document-investigation-uss-chancellorsville-drone-strike

It looks like modern US warships can't even handle a small drone crashing into it.

Well, time to use more CIWS... I love all of the sensors in that report.

[Yukonastan]

http://news.usni.org/2014/06/27/document-investigation-uss-chancellorsville-drone-strike

It looks like modern US warships can't even handle a small drone crashing into it.

Well, time to use more CIWS... I love all of the sensors in that report.

Sensors =/= Censors, I surely didn't notice any sensing capability as part of the report, barring the keys, trackpad, microphone, and camera on my laptop.

[Organized States]

Well, time to use more CIWS... I love all of the sensors in that report.

Sensors =/= Censors, I surely didn't notice any sensing capability as part of the report, barring the keys, trackpad, microphone, and camera on my laptop.

Damned autocorrect. Apple is CENSORING me, huh.

[Vancon]

Sensors =/= Censors, I surely didn't notice any sensing capability as part of the report, barring the keys, trackpad, microphone, and camera on my laptop.

Damned autocorrect. Apple is CENSORING me, huh.

I want you to know that I'm gonna hit you with a shovel in the face for that bruh.