Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Kouralia]

Write-up done...

You guys can rip into this now if you want, I'm looking for criticism and ways to improve the design, especially in the area of the sensors.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Write-up done...

You guys can rip into this now if you want, I'm looking for criticism and ways to improve the design, especially in the area of the sensors.

and for a last-ditch attempt they can fire the full magazine of 600 rounds per weapon in approximately 0.4 of a second I would like to know how is this possible?

[Padnak]

All noted, I'll be looking into the BrahMos-

I'm using the Kh-35 in my air force and navy currently, wasn't aware of a ground launched version

K-300P Bastion-P or similar (I think there's a Chinese equivalent and maybe an Iranian) worth considering?

K-300P seems redundant with the BrahMos, since it carries the similar P-800 missile. I would suggest using one or the other, but not both at the same time.

I wasn't planning on using both-

I was wondering if it would be more realistic of an island dictatorship to have something a little older like a K-300P and if it would be effective

BrahMos might be used-

[Kouralia]

Write-up done...

You guys can rip into this now if you want, I'm looking for criticism and ways to improve the design, especially in the area of the sensors.

and for a last-ditch attempt they can fire the full magazine of 600 rounds per weapon in approximately 0.4 of a second I would like to know how is this possible?

The weapon consists of ten barrels by fifteen barrels, with rounds stored four-deep, and the rounds can be fired in any programmed permutation of 'currently available to fire rounds'. With a 0.1 second delay between each round firing to allow them to vacate the barrel, the weapon can fire all the rounds in four very rapid volleys.

[Riysa]

Did I hear coastal defense systems?

Well, Padnak, if you're a small third-world dictatorship, you aren't going to have that many resources. I'd recommend you base your coastal defense on the Bal-E. Its an 8-round TEL system using the Kh-35 missile (roughly similar to the US' Harpoon), which is one of the most cost-effective systems in the world. Of course, you won't be sinking AEGIS cruisers at long range, but it does what its supposed to - sink any ship, like amphibious warfare ships, that try to get close. Its also quite mobile, which is nice.

Now, for the elite punch, you guys were talking about BrahMos and Oniks earlier. Don't let the newer date fool you - there really isn't that much functional difference between BrahMos and Oniks - BrahMos is a bit faster and comes in more variants than the AShM-only Oniks, but only the former is somewhat important when talking about coastal defense systems - so by taking Oniks over BrahMos you won't really be missing out. Actually, you might be better off taking the Bastion system over the BrahMos system - both are very expensive. The Bastion deal with Vietnam was about 150 million, and I believe the Syrian deal was more than that, and BrahMos itself is more expensive than Oniks. The cost essentially means that you won't be fielding more than a few of them if you plan on sticking to that, so yeah, Oniks might be the better choice in this case.

Lastly, for flavor and realism, consider using some SSC-1 Sepal and SSC-3 Styx systems. Both are mostly obsolete, but they work good as flavor units, and both have a decently-sized warhead. Support them with Bale-E, and they can still be usable against smaller ships and amphibious warfare ships.

[Rich and Corporations]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

Meh... depends on what you mean by "modernized."

If you mean that your nation already has a few battleships lying around in more or less usable condition (say, as museum ships) and you want to fit them with cruise missiles for a limited coastal bombardment role, then yes, it's possible. In fact, the United States did this with its Iowas prior to the First Gulf War.

If you mean building an entirely new vessel that is about 250 meters long and armed with a combination of missiles and heavy-calibre guns, that's a different story. Possible, certainly, but not really a good idea.

replace heavy-caliber guns with mortars and you have a reasonable ship

[Allanea]

I'm not sure you can do meaningful coastal bombardment with Tomahawks.

[Oaledonia]

I'm not sure you can do meaningful coastal bombardment with Tomahawks.

But.... That was one of the main line of thoughts when designing it.

[Allanea]

What is our definition of coastal bombardment?

Obviously you can hit key military sites and bridges and whatnot with Tomahawks.

[The Akasha Colony]

If you need more than Tomahawks, aircraft, and a few deck guns to clear the beach, it might be time to start looking for alternative landing sites.

[Allanea]

So we have agreed that deck guns are useful?

[The Akasha Colony]

So we have agreed that deck guns are useful?

At the cost of sounding like *R&C*, useful is a rather variable term. And at least IMO, must be balanced against the penalties involved in dedicated space to such equipment.

[Gallia-]

If you need more than Tomahawks, aircraft, and a few deck guns to clear the beach, it might be time to start looking for alternative landing sites.

>using deck guns for shore bombardment ever

>amphibious assault ever

[Allanea]

Of course one potential solution is to mount MLRS launchers on your landing ships, like the Zubr has.

[Triplebaconation]

So we have agreed that deck guns are useful?

At the cost of sounding like *R&C*, useful is a rather variable term. And at least IMO, must be balanced against the penalties involved in dedicated space to such equipment.

What are the space penalties for a "deck gun?"

[Rich and Corporations]

At the cost of sounding like *R&C*, useful is a rather variable term. And at least IMO, must be balanced against the penalties involved in dedicated space to such equipment.

What are the space penalties for a "deck gun?"

Depends on the size of the turret.

But really, guys, use 20 cm mortars.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

and for a last-ditch attempt they can fire the full magazine of 600 rounds per weapon in approximately 0.4 of a second I would like to know how is this possible?

The weapon consists of ten barrels by fifteen barrels, with rounds stored four-deep, and the rounds can be fired in any programmed permutation of 'currently available to fire rounds'. With a 0.1 second delay between each round firing to allow them to vacate the barrel, the weapon can fire all the rounds in four very rapid volleys.

I see. Quite nice kour.

[Opplandia]

Id say that "metalstorm" stuff would do for a nice CIWS.

[Fordorsia]

Id say that "metalstorm" stuff would do for a nice CIWS.

I doubt it, unless they have a very high capacity. The whole point of modern systems is to get as many bullitz into the air as possible, and I doubt you could do that with a weapon that that fires quickly with a very limited ammo capacity.

[Antarticaria]

Id say that "metalstorm" stuff would do for a nice CIWS.

I doubt it, unless they have a very high capacity. The whole point of modern systems is to get as many bullitz into the air as possible, and I doubt you could do that with a weapon that that fires quickly with a very limited ammo capacity.

I concur, a continuous wall of lead is needed not a small fence of lead.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Id say that "metalstorm" stuff would do for a nice CIWS.

I doubt it, unless they have a very high capacity. The whole point of modern systems is to get as many bullitz into the air as possible, and I doubt you could do that with a weapon that that fires quickly with a very limited ammo capacity.

I would agree with you. His system is based as a last resort and as such it is a nice touch. I do not think that it will double well as a CIWS.

[Kouralia]

Id say that "metalstorm" stuff would do for a nice CIWS.

I doubt it, unless they have a very high capacity. The whole point of modern systems is to get as many bullitz into the air as possible, and I doubt you could do that with a weapon that that fires quickly with a very limited ammo capacity.

My system is primarily intended to deal with shore emplacements like a machinegun nest and/or small-craft which are attacking the ship. The two twin 40mm guns are more intended to face off against any proper missile swarms.

[San-Silvacian]

Gun based CIWS are alright if you're shooting down MM38 Exocets, Harpoons and other older generation AShMs.

Kashtan, SeaRAM etc are much better systems.

[Kouralia]

Gun based CIWS are alright if you're shooting down MM38 Exocets, Harpoons and other older generation AShMs.

Kashtan, SeaRAM etc are much better systems.

My main CIWS is not!Kashtan, IIRC. I'm mostly using the DARDO F/F because it's cool for this. The vessel's normally escorted by a pair of Light Cruisers anyway.

[San-Silvacian]

big boat

Chacal and Le Gallic class are of fite.