Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Triplebaconation]

If it has gold in it it'll probably blow the ship in half!

[Purpelia]

I still say just use the SACLOS to guide it into the radar array and bridge. A ship with either of those blown off might as well be scraped as far as the conflict is concerned. Not to mention the sheer cost of rebuilding it.

[Allanea]

The goal is essentially to cause the other guys to scrap the ship, thereafter inflicting a terrible monetary cost on them (this is the nation's only ship of this class), hopefully making them more open to negotiations.

[Purpelia]

The goal is essentially to cause the other guys to scrap the ship, thereafter inflicting a terrible monetary cost on them (this is the nation's only ship of this class), hopefully making them more open to negotiations.

Well if he has to rebuild the radar and various other systems and replace an experienced crew with the associated loss of money and prestige I say it's just as good. Barring that try just drilling the thing so full of holes above the water line that it has to be beached lest it sink in the first storm.

[Opplandia]

the Condor-class is Opplandia´s weapon of choice for ASW-missions in littoral areas and to patrol their streams and rivers. to ensure that the ships are able to operate even in the most shallow waters, the hull was built after a catamaran-design and is made of carbon-fiber-reinforced polymer.

stats:

length: 66,2m (217ft)
beam: 15,8m (51ft)
draft: 2,2m (7,2ft) with sonar-dome
displacement: 560t (metric)

propulsion: 4 diesel-engines of 9000HP each,
4 pump-jet thrusters

complement: 45
speed: 42kn
range: 2700nm

armament: 1 56mm twin-gun L/62;
2 25mm aa-guns L/85;
1 RIM-116 RAM starter;
10 RUR-5 ASROC asw-missiles;
optionally 8 depth-charges

sensors: 1 AN/SPS-48E radar,
2 AN/SPQ-9B radars,
1 DSQS-32C sonar

[Hasmonea]

אתה ישראלי?

I think that the Hanith was hit with an anti-ship missile, wasn't it?

Nah, I'm not actually Israeli - I'd suspect that if you were to gloss over my factbook you'll notice inaccuracies in the Hebrew text.

Yup, Hanit was hit by AShM, but their warheads are somewhat comparable to those of ATGMs anyway in that both rely on explosives.

In any case is there any reason why the guerillas couldn't just be supplied with a proper AShM to attack the cruiser?

[Crookfur]

אתה ישראלי?

I think that the Hanith was hit with an anti-ship missile, wasn't it?

Nah, I'm not actually Israeli - I'd suspect that if you were to gloss over my factbook you'll notice inaccuracies in the Hebrew text.

Yup, Hanit was hit by AShM, but their warheads are somewhat comparable to those of ATGMs anyway in that both rely on explosives.

In any case is there any reason why the guerillas couldn't just be supplied with a proper AShM to attack the cruiser?

well a C802 has a warhead that weights about 15times as much as the actual missiles in question here and its a blast warhead designed to go off inside the target whilst these ATGMs have a HEAT warhead that goes off outside the target and makes a tiny little hole in its exterior. The HEAT jet might cause some interesting post enetration effects but it won't be anything even vaguely comparable to a clsoe to 165kg HE charge.


Allanea: as the others have said you would pretty much need to concentrate on the main radar mast to ahcive much of anything, maybe shifting fire onto the gun turrets once the first volley has done its work on the mast. things would be easier if a HEDP or straight HE frag warhead was availble for the missile in question.

[West Frania]

I've just obtained seeports and a coastal area. So i'll procure some.

[Kouralia]

Finally!

[Sxvoryia]

You built a war-canoe?

In that case, it could carry one missile at best, and won't even dent a warship by ramming it.

His missile :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=id&gl=ID&v=2FNn6IlhQtc

Pretty accurate representation of what my devices would look like

the only difference is that I can also launch chemical hazard devices from it

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

Finally!

the lack of smoothbore muzzle loading cannons lifted off HMS victory continues to be of disappoint

but asides from that it is pretty ship

your king/queen can sit in pool and sip martini of the shaken nature while the peasants attempt to board and are beaten back by brave kouralian bacon warriors

[The balkens]

Finally!

Take all the money that I have!


Looks great.

[Rich and Corporations]

Remember that I'm showing modern tank cannons here, with only a 12cm bore. I'm talking of taking the concept, upscaling it, using special propellant bags that have a hole in the middle, and applying it to something like the SK C/34 cannon that were mounted on the Bismarck and Tirpitz.

By having the rounds accelerated to a higher muzzle velocity, then as a result of the sabots falling away and the now vastly smaller cross section of the penetrator, the round can fly a lot flatter, meaning that you not only stretch to ridiculous ranges, but also to ridiculous target effects at normal ranges. Imagine a battleship being shot clean through to see what I mean.

The problem is that by the 1940s, engagement ranges were moving almost beyond the horizon. It's also worth noting that even tanks at the time did not have APFSDS ammunition, at most they had APDS or APCR. Might as well just say you're already building missile ships if you're going to be pushing technology that far.

It's also not even the most effective way to defeat an enemy battleship at range. Plunging fire, along with proper shell design, should be more than sufficient to defeat any reasonably practicable battleship with a 38 cm gun. The Italians got penetration figures approaching those of the American 16" Mk 7 out of their 38 cm pieces.

The Nazis are most similar to NS in technology and mindset. They did attempt to build ballistic missile submarines.

[Yukonastan]

The problem is that by the 1940s, engagement ranges were moving almost beyond the horizon. It's also worth noting that even tanks at the time did not have APFSDS ammunition, at most they had APDS or APCR. Might as well just say you're already building missile ships if you're going to be pushing technology that far.

It's also not even the most effective way to defeat an enemy battleship at range. Plunging fire, along with proper shell design, should be more than sufficient to defeat any reasonably practicable battleship with a 38 cm gun. The Italians got penetration figures approaching those of the American 16" Mk 7 out of their 38 cm pieces.

The Nazis are most similar to NS in technology and mindset. They did attempt to build ballistic missile submarines.

Eh, I was convinced that this wasn't a good idea, even after I eliminated technological barriers of the time "because the plot".

[Sjovenia]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

[Spirit of Hope]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

Not really, guns can't out range missiles, and planes can carry missiles further than ship launched missile can travel.

Next armor doesn't protect communications, radar and weapons systems, so you don't have much use for armor.

You can make a large missile armed ship, but it still isn't going to be beating out carrier in its flexibility and and range.

[Yukonastan]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

As long as you stay away from battleship-calibre APFSDS shells or other comparable odd ammunition. I was really busted over the last few pages on this.
But I don't see why not, I mean, the US did it with the Iowas.

[Spirit of Hope]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

As long as you stay away from battleship-calibre APFSDS shells or other comparable odd ammunition. I was really busted over the last few pages on this.
But I don't see why not, I mean, the US did it with the Iowas.

The US dropped them. If you have the battleships lying around it might have some use, but really it is stupid to spend the men and money to keep such a battleship operational when it has very little use.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

Meh... depends on what you mean by "modernized."

If you mean that your nation already has a few battleships lying around in more or less usable condition (say, as museum ships) and you want to fit them with cruise missiles for a limited coastal bombardment role, then yes, it's possible. In fact, the United States did this with its Iowas prior to the First Gulf War.

If you mean building an entirely new vessel that is about 250 meters long and armed with a combination of missiles and heavy-calibre guns, that's a different story. Possible, certainly, but not really a good idea.

[The Akasha Colony]

Is it possible to have a modernized battleship?

Yes. Whether it will be cost-effective however is a nebulous thing.

[Nouvelle Beusuandille]

Ship Roster of the Beusuan Royal Navy

• Château-class aircraft carrier [CVN] (HMS - Château de Dinan, HMS - Château de La Hunaudaye)
• Bretagne-class battleship [BBG] (HMS - Bretagne, HMS - Provence, HMS - Lorraine, HMS - Normandie)
• Malin-class destroyer [DDG] (HMS - Le Malin, HMS - Le Fantasque, HMS - Le Terrible, HMS - L'Indomptable, HMS - Audacieux, HMS - Triomphant)
• Redoutable-class submarine [SSBN] (HMS - Redoubtable, HMS - Terrible, HMS - Foudroyant, HMS - Indomptable, HMS - Tonnant, HMS - Inflexible)
• Alsace-class cruiser [CG] (HMS - Alsace, HMS - Selene, HMS - Jeanne)
• Jules Verne-class submarine [SSN] (HMS - Jules Verne, HMS - Nautilus, HMS - Nocturne)
• Anjou-class Frigate [FFG] (HMS - Poitiers, HMS - La Rochelle, HMS - Niort, HMS - Angoulême, HMS - Châtellerault, HMS - Saintes, HMS - Rochefort, HMS - Royan)

While several classes are named after historic vessels of the French navy they are not the same ships.

[Padnak]

I was wondering, whats the best shore based AShM around that isn't western (keeping in theme with Padnak)?

[The Soodean Imperium]

I was wondering, whats the best shore based AShM around that isn't western (keeping in theme with Padnak)?

You'll probably want the BrahMos missile, based on the P-700 and joint-developed by India and Russia. It comes in air-launched, sea-launched, and land-launched variants.

The 3M-54 Klub is also apparently being developed into a system that can be launched from a modified shipping container on a truck, and the Kh-35 is regarded as one of the most cost-effective modern AShMs in service (despite having capabilities similar to the Harpoon).

[Padnak]

I was wondering, whats the best shore based AShM around that isn't western (keeping in theme with Padnak)?

You'll probably want the BrahMos missile, based on the P-700 and joint-developed by India and Russia. It comes in air-launched, sea-launched, and land-launched variants.

The 3M-54 Klub is also apparently being developed into a system that can be launched from a modified shipping container on a truck, and the Kh-35 is regarded as one of the most cost-effective modern AShMs in service (despite having capabilities similar to the Harpoon).

All noted, I'll be looking into the BrahMos-

I'm using the Kh-35 in my air force and navy currently, wasn't aware of a ground launched version

K-300P Bastion-P or similar (I think there's a Chinese equivalent and maybe an Iranian) worth considering?

[The Soodean Imperium]

You'll probably want the BrahMos missile, based on the P-700 and joint-developed by India and Russia. It comes in air-launched, sea-launched, and land-launched variants.

The 3M-54 Klub is also apparently being developed into a system that can be launched from a modified shipping container on a truck, and the Kh-35 is regarded as one of the most cost-effective modern AShMs in service (despite having capabilities similar to the Harpoon).

All noted, I'll be looking into the BrahMos-

I'm using the Kh-35 in my air force and navy currently, wasn't aware of a ground launched version

K-300P Bastion-P or similar (I think there's a Chinese equivalent and maybe an Iranian) worth considering?

K-300P seems redundant with the BrahMos, since it carries the similar P-800 missile. I would suggest using one or the other, but not both at the same time.