Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Yukonastan]

Should the Demontronian Military experiment with super dreadnoughts even more than it has?

Is it 1910? If so, yes. Otherwise, no.

[Yukonastan]

Is it 1910? If so, yes. Otherwise, no.

I am speaking of FT

FT ~= 1910, hence don't pursue lolspessdrednots.

[Yukonastan]

A ship of merely 1km long will have its keel broken by waves. 3-5 km is just... Even in a different multiverse.

[Yukonastan]

What Tech are railguns?

For Naval, Late-MT/Early PMT

For anything else its PMT

Railguns can be seen as MT, if they're lolexperimental. And remember that one of the first product announcements for a railgun system is actually a C-RAM system, the GDLS Blitzer.

[Yukonastan]

I still use Kongou classes in PMT :c

Oale-chan, I meant to ask, why'd you switch nations? =C

[Yukonastan]

Those humps, and sudden propeller-body termination discomfort me.

I expect quite some flow noise from them.

ssshhhh, don't make him aware of his sound shorts, it'll let my asw beacons get an easier fix on him!

[Yukonastan]

Stahn, submarines are designed to look like extended teardrops for a reason. Because this is the best shape to reduce drag in the water not in the interest of speed or fuel economy, but in the interest of silence.

Submarines need to make as little noise as possible, so they're often covered in rubber matting to absorb vibrations, the screw is designed to be almost hilariously efficient without cavitating, and there are no needless extensions that could cause noise in the water.

It's actually that bad that if a sub is ordered to go silent you're not allowed to talk out loud or run aboard it.

Or even have your stuff stowed outside of a locked bootlocker.

[Yukonastan]

How useful would it be to maintain a 40cm naval cannon or three for coastal defense, in well-armored and classified bunkers along the coast, bearing in mind that the cold war is not really -that- cold at the moment?

[Yukonastan]

How useful would it be to maintain a 40cm naval cannon or three for coastal defense, in well-armored and classified bunkers along the coast, bearing in mind that the cold war is not really -that- cold at the moment?

Having mobile AshM batteries would likely be a better bet.

"b-bu-but... muh nuclear antiflotilla shells"

It's mainly because they're already there and it costs less to maintain than it'd cost to decommission. Assuming these factors:

The guns are incrementally upgraded for cheap, and have inertially guided nuclear shells available.
The guns are already in bunkers in cliff faces.
There's only three of 'em.
It'd cost more to decommission and dispose of the cannons, and the current state of heightened tensions makes abandoning a good weapon system VERY negative in the eyes of the populace.
The guns are 30 years old, but are made of high-quality steel, and have had new barrel liners fitted twice since their manufacture. The barrel liner is ten years old, and in very good condition.

How much sense would it (not) make?

Oh, and naturally, mobile AShM TELs will augment these.

[Yukonastan]

so removing equipment from the base, removing the firing pin and cementing the barrel costs more than upgrading?

And you have nuclear shells?

huh.

what a weird world yukonastan lives in indeed.

Maintaining of the cannons costs $$$, but the current political situation means that dismantling 'em will be not only more $$$, but also political suicide. So they're kept around as a "what if".

Basically what purp said when he referred to propaganda.

[Yukonastan]

Hm. Guess it'll be option (ii) then. Museum funded by the military. No nuclear shells except the cutaway that shows how it would work, and a fresh coat of paint every now and then (and a free parade ground for the mobile ashm battery next door)

[Yukonastan]

The pride of the DPRK navy. The most extensively outfitted ships, that the DPRK has to offer. They are all custom built, and captained, and crewed by the most experienced DPRK sailors. All the captains are to have required to have captured 80 enemy vessels, to be awarded a Jackdaw. These ships have an impressive amount of firepower. They have 5 K-83 Vertical missile launch systems. The nanofiber reinforced steel hull protects it from devastating amounts of enemy firepower. With 123 missiles in storage. Equipped with a special made laser to fry enemy missile guidance systems. Also equipped with 6, 356mm unguided triple torpedo launchers mounted at front, 3, 321mm rear mounted double heat seeking tubes. The speed of the vessel is 72 km/h, making it practical for hit and run strategies. Its radar system is relatively weak relying on communications from other vessels, especially the Blue Jay class cruisers The major downside is the cost at 12 billion dollars a unit, it can only be issued to highly skilled captains.

Woh woh woh. You have a Jackdaw, which seems to be a small destroyer, am I right?

Where does the nanofibre reinforced steel come from? Perhaps you're referring to composite? If so, not on a warship. Too fragile, unproven. Use normal steel.

As for the loadout... 123 missiles for a 5-cell VLS seems kind of odd, no? Same with your torpedo tube loadout. Far too many tubes.

And heatseeking torps? You're referring to heatseeking missiles, right? 'Cause guided torps use sound, not heat.

And the laser you're referring to will only take out optically guided missiles. Radar-guided missiles have no optics to burn out, and beamriding laser missiles have the optics on the back, making the LaWS worthless against it. Far better to use good old 20mm tungsten or uranium autocannons, or get the laser to be powerful enough to cause the warhead to blow up.

And $12bn is excessively expensive. A ship with what sounds like similar capabilities is the Independence-class littoral combat ships, at $432mn. A THIRTIETH of the cost.

[Yukonastan]

Would I be able to put rail guns on patrol vessels starting in 2017, considering the blitzer is basically ready for series production?

[Yukonastan]

What are some examples of an effective brown_water_navy?

A shitton of boghammers and similar sized ships. PBL, PBR, in large numbers, working VERY closely with the army, with the navy putting its normal elitism, cleanliness, and food aside to actually do something useful.

Use 'em to support a ground campaign along a coast with a lot of swamps and small rivers, or to defend a similar area.

Hell, I've tossed this idea around myself sometimes, create a waterborne mech inf force, or a waterborne armored force.

[Yukonastan]

A shitton of boghammers and similar sized ships. PBL, PBR, in large numbers, working VERY closely with the army, with the navy putting its normal elitism, cleanliness, and food aside to actually do something useful.

Use 'em to support a ground campaign along a coast with a lot of swamps and small rivers, or to defend a similar area.

Hell, I've tossed this idea around myself sometimes, create a waterborne mech inf force, or a waterborne armored force.

I think he wanted a real-life example...

USN during Vietnam. 'Nuff said.

[Yukonastan]

In case anyone hasn't herd, they found Musashi.

=O

130 25mm AA guns total. That is just... Even NS isn't that excessive when it comes to plastering guns onto ships.

If only the 25mm AA guns were effective, maybe she wouldn't've been sunk.

[Yukonastan]

=O

130 25mm AA guns total. That is just... Even NS isn't that excessive when it comes to plastering guns onto ships.

If only the 25mm AA guns were effective, maybe she wouldn't've been sunk.

Sanshikidan shell also meant that the 46cm triple mounts were AA guns.

The 41cm sanshikidan was more effective, though... =/

[Yukonastan]

Haven't got any good graphic pictures yet, only sketches and sprites.

But, the UNE's largest vessel is the mothership, known as Hypercane. It has a length of 180,000 km. However, this ship is more of a planet then a military vessel, as its designer added habitable space for civilian populations to prevent it from being used as a weapon.

The largest class vessel used in the Imperial Navy is the Arcus Class Superdestroyer, which have a length of 1,500 km. These vessels are accompanied by fleets of thousands, and can wipe out entire worlds in the blink of an eye, if they needed to.

The most common vessel is the Cyclone Class Cruiser, which is 5,000 metres long. These are the UNE's primary vessel, that make up the bulk of UNE fleets. There are quadrillions of them in existence.

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Cyclone Class Cruiser

Depending on the diameter of some of these things they're better off being spherical, to be honest. Especially the mothership. Either that's snakelike or it's a solid sphere. Otherwise the thing's own gravity will tear it apart. (Seriously.)

The cruiser looks nifty, though. Almost like a snake.
(And did I mention that is some stunningly good lineart?)

[Yukonastan]

And here is my new attempt.

Cholera-class nuclear attack submarine:

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Unf~ ducted fans. Me gusta.

[Yukonastan]

Is it a good idea to give my army a small private brown-water navy, with similar roles as land-based armored vehicles?

Eg: Fast attack craft approximates MBT with a similarly heavy cannon, troop carrier approximates IFV with an identical chain gun turret and troop ramp, SPGs are approximated by howitzer-carrying versions of the troop carrier, you get the deal.

[Yukonastan]

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Is it a good idea to give my army a small private brown-water navy, with similar roles as land-based armored vehicles?

Eg: Fast attack craft approximates MBT with a similarly heavy cannon, troop carrier approximates IFV with an identical chain gun turret and troop ramp, SPGs are approximated by howitzer-carrying versions of the troop carrier, you get the deal.

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[Yukonastan]

Literally three comments down, cool your tits.

I'm pretty sure I've seen him "retoast" within minutes (seconds?) before.

Only if I get the luck of the bottom of the page. And three comments here in one-and-a-half days isn't quite reassuring, tbh.

[Yukonastan]

On the Navy we have the The HMS King George V Class But modified with Small ruway and landing for Vtol planes and helicopter like The F-35 and Osprey Helicopter

The F-35C is a toy in my opinion. I personally don't see the value of a VTOL fighter aircraft. I'd much rather have one capable only of STO(V)L kicked off of a ski ramp. As for the V-22, that's a tiltrotor, not a helicopter.

And fighter planes such as: F-22, F-35, F-14, F-15, and F-16.Totall of number of all jets : 200,000 Fighter Planes

Woah, woah, woah. Stop right there. You have the latest generation of stealth fighers and interceptors with last generation's designs which are partially retired by now, in numbers that rival Lyras.

At the Navy we Have the BRP Marcos, BRP Cregorio Del Pillar, And finally the Major Battleship is the Modified HMS King George V Class named :BRP Fernandez

Two hundred THOUSAND fighters. From three ships. One of which is a battle wagon. I'd love to have the Hammerspace technology you have.

[Yukonastan]

The F-35C is a toy in my opinion. I personally don't see the value of a VTOL fighter aircraft. I'd much rather have one capable only of STO(V)L kicked off of a ski ramp. As for the V-22, that's a tiltrotor, not a helicopter.

>F-35C
>VTOL

You don't save any complexity by moving to STOVL. Once you have the vertical landing mechanism, the only difference is whether you have the ski jump on the launching vessel.

Sorry, my fault. I meant the F35B is gimmicky. My bad. As for landing, make that STOL, drop the vertical from the equation. Skiramp all your fighters so they "fall" up into flight. I just solved the USMC's fighter problems.

[Yukonastan]

How many cruise missile sized targets (or decoys appearing to be the former) will saturate a single (Phalanx) CIWS turret long enough to let a real cruise missile slip in unharmed?