Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Yukonastan]

you drawing over the sb template, or did you accidentally the whole template?

I always draw directly on the template.

Try doing a Hobart/Alvaro de Bazan?

Meh, I'll just fiddle with what I have.

Why not a Zr.Ms. De Zeven Provincien-class inspired design?

[Yukonastan]

Does anyone know a good carrier template for making a CIWS Heavy Carrier?
Modern Day, of course? I wanna into independent ship designs by of course copying other ship designs

http://www.shipbucket.com/
Edit:
USS Midway, CV41, in 1970s appearance.

[Yukonastan]

Fusion power now MT by the standards of II, oil drillers worldwide seen leaping to their deaths

(seriously, this is a lot closer to seeing use than ETC guns ever were)

The Westinghouse LWNP is small enough to fit in a corvette (ship, not car) and IS PT, IT WAS MT IN THE LATE SEVENTIES

fission ~= fusion

[Yukonastan]

fission ~= fusion

I know.

The linked plant is a fusion plant, not a light weight nuclear propulsion system, which uses a light water reactor and fission fuel.

[Yukonastan]

The linked plant is a fusion plant, not a light weight nuclear propulsion system, which uses a light water reactor and fission fuel.

I know that. I meant that people shouldn't get hyped about mini-fusion when we've had mini-fission for years and nobody cares because "muh nuclear ebil"

Nuke fusion theoretically has no radioactive waste.

[Yukonastan]

Imma let you finish, but this is the only good Bismarck

uwotm8

Well, I lied. That's actually the Tirpitz.

Same class.

[Yukonastan]

-snip-

Lol, yeah, it's got some problems... I'll fix that.

But tell me; does it at least look good kind of good acceptable tolerable?

Barely.

The biggest issue is with the name, that's painted on VERY strange. You may want to skew it some.

[Yukonastan]

Is this version any better?

No. Not at all.

Look at it. LOOK AT IT.

LOOK AT THE DITHERING.

[Yukonastan]

https://i.imgur.com/ttBjET1.png

DDGN-001 Bismark

Because reasons.

The missile between VL-ASROC and Standard 2 is Standard-P, which is and indigenous Standard variant; RIM-174 without the booster and with an additional optical seeker.

Hnngggg that shading

[Yukonastan]

I think I'm about ready to call it finished

https://i.imgur.com/mBnr4Bq.png

Changelog:
>towed sonar
>minor, unimportant features like an anchor
>moved funnel back to centerline
>stretched hangar, enlarged mission bar door
>added naval strike missiles, for striking naval targets with missiles
>added number
>minor tweaks

Stats

Type: Destroyer
Displacement: 5,500t
Length: 427 feet
Beam: 50 feet
Draught: 18 feet
Speed: 20 knot cruise, 32 knot sprint
Range: 1000nm sprint, cruise practically unlimited
Complement: 300
Propulsion: CONAG: 1 x LWNP Nuclear Cruise Engines, 2 x LM-2500 Sprint Engines
Sensors:

SPY-1F
SQS-1P Towed Array Sonar (Indigenous)
SQS-5P Hull Sonar (Indigenous)
SPS-67 Surface Radar
3 x SPG-62 Illumination Radar
Mirador EOIR
MASS Decoy System
Armament:
2 x OTO Melara 76mm Super Rapid Stealth
48 cell Mk 41 Tactical Length VLS
16 cell Mk 48 VLS
21 cell Mk 49 RAM Launcher
Aircraft carried:
2 x SH-60B Seahawk Helicopters

fucking bbcode lists broke

fify.

[Yukonastan]

Thanks for the advice. The ship is basically designed to be a bunch of missiles on a hull, and are the stand-off strike weapon of a fleet - designed to take out high-risk targets before the battleships arrive.

That said, they are also rare in a fleet - two or three in a whole battle fleet. They're escorted by other destroyers. I'll lower the superstructure and flatten our the bridge.

So you mean a Longsword, but an actual sane length and no OTH radar array?

[Yukonastan]

Hell, we use military rifles that are closer to being WWII vintage than they are to being modern. So why not autocannons?

[Yukonastan]

:not:Sweden and :not:Finland anno 1974 needs a navy. ;_;

Help please? What'd be semireasonable to have for those two countries having become one around WWI-ish?
Edit: Keep in mind that the :not:Cod War is still being fought with the :not:UK, as well as the :not:Cold War with the :not:Soviet Union.

[Yukonastan]

:not:Sweden and :not:Finland anno 1974 needs a navy. ;_;

Help please? What'd be semireasonable to have for those two countries having become one around WWI-ish?
Edit: Keep in mind that the :not:Cod War is still being fought with the :not:UK, as well as the :not:Cold War with the :not:Soviet Union.

[Yukonastan]

So gents, I'm reading this and I want to know just how this author is wrong, but also how he is right, if at all. He makes some interesting assertions, and honestly, I find myself slightly agreeing with him on some of his points, but anyways: have at it folks. It's a decent read in my opinion, but whether that is because it is a mindless fantasy or compelling piece of literature remains to be seen.

Mostly mindless fantasy. Sparky is notorious for cherry picking results from experiments, as well as cherry picking practical experience. His arguments are highly biased and not at all grounded in fact most of the time.

Now, there are some things he writes that aren't utter horseshit, but most of it is. Including the utility of submersible carriers.

One, it'd be the largest submarine ever.

Two, it wouldn't actually be a submarine, as mentioned by multiple people, due to needing to be surfaced to operate its two aircraft.

Three, it couldn't handle more than two aircraft simultaneously.

Four, it'd have absolutely zero stealth underwater, even if the runways were faired over. Acoustics in water is a figurative bitch to reduce.

So, to keep things simple, there has been, and probably will be, only one class of submarine carrier, the I-400. Neither of which scored any real combat successes, as far as I'm aware.

[Yukonastan]

People were discussing Submarine Aircraft Carriers?

(Image)

Following Akasha's advice, I moved the torpedo tubes from the upper bow to the sides. Also changed the ratio of 650mm and 533mm tubes, and fiddled with the outer hull openings a bit.

As it stands, the new "typical" armament is:
- 4x 650mm torpedo tube (16 torpedoes carried)
- 4x 533mm torpedo tube (20 torpedoes carried)
- 6x Seodang-7M anti-ship ballistic missile
- 20x Tianchizei-2 cruise missile or Klub-series anti-ship missile

Repost your image on imgur or gyazo so I can see? Postimg 403's here.

[Yukonastan]

Is there anything barring a regular Apache heli from operating from a frigate's heli deck, should the frigate have the proper amenities? Or does it have to be a Sea Apache?

And for that matter, can the Apache/Sea Apache carry Harpoons?

The british have been operating thier Apaches from HMS Oceon so the basic apache can operate from ships quite successfully.

The question is why would you wan to operate a single example from the frigate instead of a medium utility helicopter that can do a much wider range of fun things to support the frigate's operations.

Maybe he's invading a small sovereign nation with brown people in it. And he just doesn't have enough space on his :not:HMS Ocean. So he needs to use other ships' helidecks to keep the sorties going.

[Yukonastan]

That's gay use Perseus

What about Hypersonic Stealth Cruise missiles, I mean mid-2060s PMT is my level of technologies.

CM Design Goals
--
[V] Hypersonic

[V] Stealth

[V] Surface skimmer

Pick any two.

[Yukonastan]

14 inch cannons versus inpossibly large (and EMPed) warships

Who would win?

Neither. Padnak would win with his MBT-sized bombs and An-124 Ruslans.

[Yukonastan]

Not necessarily. DF-21D and the Tomahawk Anti-Ship Missile have similar ranges. It's also worth noting that even they suffer from considerable issues of target detection and mid-course correction, albeit on a much smaller scale than an unguided shell, as they can adjust their aim through datalinked-in mid-course correction.


Let's repeat the math again, just for fun.

300km / 3km/s = 300 s = 5 min
Dist. traveled at 30 knots in 5 min: 4.65 kilometers
Likelihood of ensuring a railgun hit, assuming natural variation in speed and bearing as well as imperfections in speed and bearing estimation: very low


If two modern destroyers are in a "close-range fight," then (a) someone has presumably done something very wrong, and (b) automatic fire of explosive 76mm-127mm shells traveling at "normal" velocities will do plenty of damage.

The final statement does have a grain of truth, as ship-mounted railguns are being considered for shore bombardment - or, specifically, the destruction of hardened bunkers, as other types of shore-bombardment missions are better handled by explosive shells or missiles. That's a long departure from the original argument, that they can kill ships in an instant from 2,000km away, but I'll take that as a sign of progress.

1. The issue still would be the distance that each ship detects each other as well, not just the range of the weapon.

2. Your math is wrong. 300km/(2km/s)=150 seconds=2 minutes and 30 seconds.

30knot ship=55.56km/h 55.56/60minutes/60 seconds=15.4m/s

A ship at 30knots would travel roughly 2.3km before being hit. Assuming that radar would pick up the object at about 20km (aprox low altitude radar range), that gives 10 seconds of notice before impact.

3. The main purpose of the Battleship would be for ground bombardment and for fleet warfare where my fleet would come in close range of another fleet. The close range that the ships in a fleet travel would increase the likelihood of a hit even if the original target is somehow missed.

1. Not part of this discussion.

2. And you assume I won't evade to throw off your aim, making your CEP closer to 3-4km?
Your math confuses me.

300km / 2km/s = 150 s
150 s %60 s/m
2m 30s

30 nm/h / 1.85 km/nm = 55.5 km/h
55.5 km/h / 3.6 = 15.4 m/s

15.4 * 150 = 2310 m traveled, or 2.31 km.
2.31 / 1.85 km/nm = 1.25 nm

If we keep sailing in a perfectly predictable straight line, then your assumption is correct.
However, as I posed above, we can be anywhere in a circle of 1.25 nm from the moment you fire.

This gives a target circle of pi * r * r = 3.14 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 5 nm squared in which your (~3-4" dia) projectile will hit. My ship is vastly smaller than this perfect circle.

[Yukonastan]

Anyone have some tips for a :not:Finnish slash :not:Swedish navy?

[Yukonastan]

Anyone have some tips for a :not:Finnish slash :not:Swedish navy?

FAC's and sub hunters

Clarify? I'm not up to snuff on my naval abbreviations, I'm afraid...

[Yukonastan]

I'd imagine that in fjords Boghammers might be rather effective...

I'm thinking you want at least -some- small-arms protection, what with the mountains being great places to hide machine guns and pack artillery, but y'know, what do I know.

[Yukonastan]

The positronic brain is probably just a TI-85 or something.

90% sure it would destroy you in five-dimensional tic-tac-toe.

I programmed a TI-86 to play 11-dimensional tictactoe once. It now serves as an infinite improbability drive.

[Yukonastan]

I programmed a TI-86 to play 11-dimensional tictactoe once. It now serves as an infinite improbability drive.

I programmed a TI-86 to calculate the probability of an inane non sequitur appearing immediately after my post. The answer was 1.

2bad here use this:

http://safebooru.org//images/1361/96530b8c000a12cb64984435d1c4c128452a3887.png?1414122

No women on starships. Bad luck.

Well then, your TI-86 worked, didn't it?


As for women on ships, y u so sexist?