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Postby Crookfur » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:55 am

Zeribru wrote:In a MT environment would a carrier like this be acceptable to be utilized

http://pre15.deviantart.net/2d91/th/pre ... 70zm1f.jpg

You can of course use it but you have to ask a question of yourself:

Is it acceptable to use a carrier that is more expensive and pretty worse in every way than a conventional carrier...
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:30 am

Zeribru wrote:In a MT environment would a carrier like this be acceptable to be utilized

http://pre15.deviantart.net/2d91/th/pre ... 70zm1f.jpg

Am I the only one who noticed that the only elevator on this thing is located in the middle of the ship, with nothing but empty space below and not even enough room for a passage to side hangars?
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Postby Kassaran » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:32 am

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
Zeribru wrote:In a MT environment would a carrier like this be acceptable to be utilized

http://pre15.deviantart.net/2d91/th/pre ... 70zm1f.jpg

Am I the only one who noticed that the only elevator on this thing is located in the middle of the ship, with nothing but empty space below and not even enough room for a passage to side hangars?

Nope! I noticed it and immediately started crying.
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Postby Pharthan » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:02 pm

Zeribru wrote:In a MT environment would a carrier like this be acceptable to be utilized

http://pre15.deviantart.net/2d91/th/pre ... 70zm1f.jpg

Reasons why this specific carrier is unacceptable:
  1. Centerline ACEs (I do believe I saw a second one located underneath a silly VTOL pad). Generally not good. Could work for a catamaran carrier.
  2. Aforementioned silly raised VTOL pad with no way to service aircraft located on it.
  3. Insufficient space between hangar bay and flight-deck. Won't be able to serve AEWs without keeping them solely on the flight-deck.
  4. Insufficient space between flight deck and lower-decks to house ACE equipment.
  5. Lamest (aka smallest) ski-jump ever. Any heavily loaded aircraft (read: CODs, AEWs, heavy fighters on midair-refueling duty) are going to smash down into the bow.
  6. Insufficient crew space. You save some space by not needing cats, so you can have the hangar-bay immediately below the flight deck (no idea why they went for a raise flight-deck), but it still looks very insufficient for everything a carrier needs.

That being said, a catamaran carrier can work. Having two separate flight lanes like this is doable, one for landing, one for takeoff. This does help simplify things, actually, and does get rid of the common complaint from carrierborne pilots about having to land at an angle to the direction of the ship. You actually could see fewer accidents with this design, given your Air Bosses are good at their jobs. However, you're going to have more issues with lower sortie rates using fixed-wing aircraft.
A catamaran with a much lower midsection-hull would be better than the depicted one. Preferably you'd want at least a portion of it to be a good whole deck level below the hangar-bay as well, meaning at least ~35 (minimum) feet of space from flight-deck down (presuming you give minimal clearance to larger aircraft's height, which is a bit necessary for some aircraft maintenance).
Catamarans would get better stability, meaning you can do more sorties in high sea-states, but these are generally accompanied by winds that make carrier-landings untenable as well, so you get only a marginal benefit. They are going to be slower - which makes a catapult design much more favorable, something the picture you gave does not have.
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Postby Estalusia » Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:59 pm

17th Century RP

Two Classes that are the mainstay of the Fleet. There are smaller and larger but these are the most prominent.

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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:41 pm

When sailors refer to the act of bending a ship's sails, what exactly is it they're referring to?
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Postby New Chilokver » Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:47 pm

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:When sailors refer to the act of bending a ship's sails, what exactly is it they're referring to?

bend (n): A knot; as in: “Secure that line to the ring with an anchor bend.”
bend on (v): To fasten or attach. To secure by hitching or tying a knot; as in: “Bend on the sails.”
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Postby Zeribru » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:38 pm

Thanks for the advice with he carrier you all, I've decided that its best to stick with things that have been proven to work instead of experimenting with rather unsuccessful designs just to be a bit of a hipster.

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Postby EsToVnIa » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:52 pm

it's one thing to be a hipster and a completely different thing to use poorly designed ships.


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Postby Laritaia » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:59 am

Rough sketch of a class of two Laritaian Heavy cruisers launched in 1938.
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Postby Rhodesialund » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:13 am

Laritaia wrote:Rough sketch of a class of two Laritaian Heavy cruisers launched in 1938.
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The crane doesn't look like it will reach the catapult, why not have it in an asymmetric catapult/hanger combo?
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Postby Laritaia » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:31 am

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Laritaia wrote:Rough sketch of a class of two Laritaian Heavy cruisers launched in 1938.
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The crane doesn't look like it will reach the catapult, why not have it in an asymmetric catapult/hanger combo?


which crane, the one on the Stern?

That one doesn't have to reach the catapult, aircraft are loaded onto the catapult straight from the hangar using a rail and trolley system.

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Postby Rhodesialund » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:33 am

Laritaia wrote:
Rhodesialund wrote:
The crane doesn't look like it will reach the catapult, why not have it in an asymmetric catapult/hanger combo?


which crane, the one on the Stern?

That one doesn't have to reach the catapult, aircraft are loaded onto the catapult straight from the hangar using a rail and trolley system.


Oh, I see. So what's the crane used for then? I figure it would be a pain in the ass to retrieve planes.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:35 am

Rhodesialund wrote:
Laritaia wrote:
which crane, the one on the Stern?

That one doesn't have to reach the catapult, aircraft are loaded onto the catapult straight from the hangar using a rail and trolley system.


Oh, I see. So what's the crane used for then? I figure it would be a pain in the ass to retrieve planes.

To haul seaplanes out of the water obviously. :P
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Postby Rhodesialund » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:38 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Rhodesialund wrote:
Oh, I see. So what's the crane used for then? I figure it would be a pain in the ass to retrieve planes.

To haul seaplanes out of the water obviously. :P


Yeah, and how do you get it back in the hanger? You just leave the seaplane on the deck?
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Postby Laritaia » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:43 am

Rhodesialund wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:To haul seaplanes out of the water obviously. :P


Yeah, and how do you get it back in the hanger? You just leave the seaplane on the deck?


There is a large jib boom attached to the aft mast that can either pluck the plane up from alongside while the ship is stationary or lift it from the deck and onto the hanger rail system.

The aft crane was added late in the design process when the concept of recovering a seaplane while underway was proposed.

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:27 am

People were posting heavy cruisers? 8)

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Postby Laritaia » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:42 am

Indeed we are

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Postby Minroz » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:05 am



Would you guys happened to use shipbucket to make these awesome pics?

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Postby Laritaia » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:15 am

MInroz wrote:


Would you guys happened to use shipbucket to make these awesome pics?


I do not, but i think Soode's is.
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Postby Grand Karelia » Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:17 am

That's some rather nice art.

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:52 pm

MInroz wrote:


Would you guys happened to use shipbucket to make these awesome pics?

Shipbucket is just a forum for posting the images; I used the same template and 2px:1ft (or 6.56px:1m) scale, but at this point all my weapons are customized so I don't use the Shipbucket parts sheets.

For the image itself, I use paint.net, but first I run the stats through SpringSharp (3.0 beta) to make sure it's structurally sound, displacement is correct, top speed matches engine power, etc. The learning curve is a little steep at first, but once you get the hang of it, it's a huge asset.
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Postby Roski » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:15 pm

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Postby The Selkie » Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:26 am

Roski wrote:raft with large sticks for anti-air

y/y


How large are we talking here?
And an improvement idea: How about these large sticks work as mast, like in sailing masts, as well, for the reduction of fuel consumption?
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Postby Minroz » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:44 am

Cruisers are nice and all, however they don't seem to be relevant in RL nowadays. Same goes for battleships. I believed this is due to the development of modern missiles and submarines which probably rendered big ships irrelevant.

Tho' in NS wars...I don't think I need to say anything much about it. Cuz in NS, anything goes, one way or another.

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