Your Nations Warships, MKII

[The Akasha Colony]

As far as a post-World War I superdreadnought, they were fine, and quite capable. In the IJN style of trying to build the biggest and best of everything, they were well--even exceptionally--armed and armoured for their time. However, they're only going to be good for World War I and the inter-war era. By World War II, they won't be much use anymore.

Yeah, I don't intend on use them after 1950. Would a small group of destroyers (about five) acting as AA for the battleship help improve it's survivablility against aircraft?

This is generally one of the primary roles for a WWII-era destroyer, yes.

[Alduinium]

Yeah, I don't intend on use them after 1950. Would a small group of destroyers (about five) acting as AA for the battleship help improve it's survivablility against aircraft?

This is generally one of the primary roles for a WWII-era destroyer, yes.

All right, anyways, I have an idea for a 'Battleship Battle Group' circa 1920
2x Fuso class battleships
1x Aircraft Carrier
3x (insert heavy cruiser here)
5x (insert light cruiser here)
10x Fletcher class destroyer

How is this?

[The Akasha Colony]

This is generally one of the primary roles for a WWII-era destroyer, yes.

All right, anyways, I have an idea for a 'Battleship Battle Group' circa 1920
2x Fuso class battleships
1x Aircraft Carrier
3x (insert heavy cruiser here)
5x (insert light cruiser here)
10x Fletcher class destroyer

How is this?

That depends on what it's supposed to do. While doctrine varied at the time, it was later confirmed that concentration of force is ideal, whether it be through battleships or aircraft carriers. Thus, dispersing the battleship fleet into smaller squadrons isn't that useful except against an enemy whose navy is so small it can be dealt with through just one of these squadrons. Otherwise, his concentrated battle fleet will not have a problem engaging and destroying a squadron like this.

This does not apply of course to escort screens, where dispersion is somewhat more valuable for the purpose of detecting the enemy and covering a wider area, but battleships are not generally dispersed into the picket screens.

[Alduinium]

All right, anyways, I have an idea for a 'Battleship Battle Group' circa 1920
2x Fuso class battleships
1x Aircraft Carrier
3x (insert heavy cruiser here)
5x (insert light cruiser here)
10x Fletcher class destroyer

How is this?

That depends on what it's supposed to do. While doctrine varied at the time, it was later confirmed that concentration of force is ideal, whether it be through battleships or aircraft carriers. Thus, dispersing the battleship fleet into smaller squadrons isn't that useful except against an enemy whose navy is so small it can be dealt with through just one of these squadrons. Otherwise, his concentrated battle fleet will not have a problem engaging and destroying a squadron like this.

This does not apply of course to escort screens, where dispersion is somewhat more valuable for the purpose of detecting the enemy and covering a wider area, but battleships are not generally dispersed into the picket screens.

So, something like this would be better?

5x Fuso class battleships
2x Aircraft Carriers
5x Heavy Cruisers
10x Light Cruisers
15x Destroyers

[The Akasha Colony]

So, something like this would be better?

5x Fuso class battleships
2x Aircraft Carriers
5x Heavy Cruisers
10x Light Cruisers
15x Destroyers

Generally, battleships, carriers, cruisers, and destroyers would all be organized into different squadrons, usually of around a half-dozen ships. Ideally of the same class as well, for tactical homogeneity. Thus, these squadrons could be detached and maneuvered as needed, particularly since once the battle was joined, the battleships would form up into their own formation to engage the enemy battleships, and the escorts would move to the periphery. Fleets would in turn be composed of whatever squadrons were around to be assigned, so it's better to organize a squadron, then make fleets out of these squadrons since that is how they were actually created and organized.

[Rich and Corporations]

Generally you have destroyer battle groups, carrier battlegroups, and battleship battlegroups.

[Alduinium]

So, something like this would be better?

5x Fuso class battleships
2x Aircraft Carriers
5x Heavy Cruisers
10x Light Cruisers
15x Destroyers

Generally, battleships, carriers, cruisers, and destroyers would all be organized into different squadrons, usually of around a half-dozen ships. Ideally of the same class as well, for tactical homogeneity. Thus, these squadrons could be detached and maneuvered as needed, particularly since once the battle was joined, the battleships would form up into their own formation to engage the enemy battleships, and the escorts would move to the periphery. Fleets would in turn be composed of whatever squadrons were around to be assigned, so it's better to organize a squadron, then make fleets out of these squadrons since that is how they were actually created and organized.

Alright then.

[San-Silvacian]

Carriers in 1920? You can do that I know by 1920, but a practical force of legit carriers, not sea plane tenders?

[The Akasha Colony]

Carriers in 1920? You can do that I know by 1920, but a practical force of legit carriers, not sea plane tenders?

HMS Argus had been converted in 1918, and the US converted Langley in 1920. They weren't all that useful for attacking as they would be in WWII given the then-present state of aircraft development, but they were certainly not seaplane tenders.

[Alduinium]

Carriers in 1920? You can do that I know by 1920, but a practical force of legit carriers, not sea plane tenders?

Alduinium uses small carriers (or more specifically, the planes they carry) for reconissance in 1920.

[San-Silvacian]

Carriers in 1920? You can do that I know by 1920, but a practical force of legit carriers, not sea plane tenders?

HMS Argus had been converted in 1918, and the US converted Langley in 1920. They weren't all that useful for attacking as they would be in WWII given the then-present state of aircraft development, but they were certainly not seaplane tenders.

Its the limited scope of usefulness leading upto WWII which Linda seems werid.

[Pharthan]

Carriers in 1920? You can do that I know by 1920, but a practical force of legit carriers, not sea plane tenders?

If you had a group of Admirals who liked the idea and weren't so fixated on BBs like everyone was in IRL at the time, it'd be easy - especially if you had ships you were willing to convert. You just need the support from the upper chain.

[Rich and Corporations]

I don't think tailhooks would be sufficiently advanced in the twenties, but fortunately STOL aircraft are quite possible.

[Pharthan]

I'm planning on doing a Fast-Battleship based off of my Phalanx-class Battlecruiser. First order of business is to elongate it and drop the trimaran outriggers. I'm going to do two models - an Arsenal ship model an a standard old-school 16" gun model.
So far I've:
Enlongated it.
Dropped the main deck down 20 feet to bring the entire structure closer to the water.
Deepened the "neck" in the bow to be more flattened out.

I'm now trying to figure out how to do the sides. Dropping the trimaran outriggers reduces how much firepower I can throw on the thing, but it'd be essential for speed.
how should I do the sides? Should they be flush with the main superstructure, or, like a typical battleship, have weatherdeck on the sides of the superstructure?
Flight-deck and hangar up higher or down lower? I'm presently thinking higher, above the main gun, so the main rear gun for the gun-variant will have that centered lower down.

Yes, I'm aware I should just go for cruisers and smaller ships, which is part of the reason I'm going for speed on this sucker.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

I don't think tailhooks would be sufficiently advanced in the twenties, but fortunately STOL aircraft are quite possible.

You could use Autogyros, which first flew in 1923. If of course your main concern was sub hunting, otherwise they're rubbish.

[New Korongo]

Lidi 400 Class

Type: Fast Attack Craft/Missile Boat
In Service: 1981 - 1995 (UPNF), 1994 - Present (PGNK)
Displacement: 398 t (392 Long Tons, 439 Short Tons)
Length: 57.6 m (189.9 ft)
Beam: 8.8 m (28.9 ft)
Draught: 3.0 m (9.8 ft)
Propulsion: 4 x Wolfhaven DPS33 Diesel Engines (3300 kW or 4425 hp Each)
Speed: 70 km/h (38 kn, 43 mph)
Range: 780 km (484 miles, 421 Nautical Miles)
Complement: 5 Officers, 27 Enlisted
Sensors & Processing Systems:

Wolfhaven Ensign IFF
Western Electronics SS400 Surface Search Radar
Western Electronics FC400 Fire Control Radar

Armament:

8 x MM40 Exocet Block 3 Anti-Ship Missile
1 x National Artillery NG5 76 mm Gun
1 x Rondache I Close-In Weapons System
1 x FN BRG-15 Heavy Machine Gun

[Rich and Corporations]

Is it true that the reason why Russia's carriers are hybrid warships/carriers is because carriers are banned from passing through the Bosporus?

[New Korongo]

Is it true that the reason why Russia's carriers are hybrid warships/carriers is because carriers are banned from passing through the Bosporus?

There are probably additional reasons to do with doctrine, but if I remember correctly the Montreux Convention prohibits nations bordering the Black Sea from sending aircraft carriers with a tonnage greater than 15,000 tons through the Bosphorus Strait. Under the same agreement, capital ships transiting through the Strait had no tonnage restriction. I believe the Montreux Convention defined an aircraft carrier as a vessel primarily intended to operate aircraft. In theory, if the Soviet Union built carriers that did not appear to be primarily intended to operate aircraft, they could ignore the tonnage restriction and class the vessel as a capital ship.

[Pharthan]

Is it true that the reason why Russia's carriers are hybrid warships/carriers is because carriers are banned from passing through the Bosporus?

It's also generally considered a bad idea to send a carrier, a full-blown carrier, through such a small strait like that.
Also, I'd be hesitant to send one through for the depth concerns. With only 10 feet of clearance, you'd rapidly find your condensers clogging with sediment.

[Lubyak]

Is it true that the reason why Russia's carriers are hybrid warships/carriers is because carriers are banned from passing through the Bosporus?

The primary reason is that aircraft carriers have a very different role in Russian doctrine than in Western one. They're meant to defend the naval bastions, not sail out to project power on their own. They legitimately are aircraft carrying warships rather than dedicated carriers.

[Anacasppia]

Woahhh
Only just realized this thread exists.
Would appreciate if some of you could give this a look over, too.

Adaline Rourke-class Destroyer

Place of Origin: Federated States of Anacaspia
Builders:

• Universal Dynamics Marine Engineering
• Priscus Shipbuilding Plant
• Wash Steel Works
• Federated Drydock

Operators: Federated States Naval Component
Preceded By: Arleigh Burke-class Destroyer
Unit Cost: $1,800,000,000 NSD
Designed: 1998-2006
Built: 2006-Present
In Service: 2007-Present
Planned: 416
Completed: 173
Active: 171

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Type: Nuclear Guided Missile Destroyer
Displacement:

• Standard: 9,250 Tons
• Fully Loaded: 11,500 Tons

Length: 167.5 Meters
Beam: 21 Meters
Draft: 8.25 Meters
Block Coefficient: 0.311
Installed Power: 2x Diesel Generator (5,000 kW each)
Propulsion: Nuclear Lead-cooled Fast Reactor (204,600 kW thermal output)

• 4x Steam Turbine (22,506 kW each)
• 2x Shaft
• 2x Five-bladed Propeller w/ Pump Jet
• 2x Rudder

Speed:

• Flank Speed: 34 Knots
• Cruising Speed: 26 Knots

Range: Unlimited (Theoretical)
Endurance: Unlimited (Theoretical; stores last up to 90 days)
Boats and Landing Craft:

• 2x Rigid Hull Inflatable Boat
• 15x Encapsulated Lifeboat

Complement: 28 Officers, 308 Enlisted

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Sensors and Processing Systems:

• Dual Band Radar System
  • AN/SPY-3 X Band AESA Radar
  • AN/SPY-4 S Band AESA Radar
• AN/SQS-60 Bow Array Sonar
• AN/SQR-20 Multifunction Towed Array Sonar
• Sagem Vampir NG IRST System
• AN/SQQ-28 LAMPS III Shipboard System

Electronic Warfare and Decoys:

• LIG Nex1 SLQ-200K Sonata Electronic Warfare System
• AN/SLQ-25C Nixie Torpedo Decoy System
• 6x Mk 36 SRBOC Anti-ship Missile Decoy Launcher

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Armament:

• Otobreda 127mm L/64 Dual Barrel Gun (Fore)
• 2x Shepherd Gun & Missile CIWS (1 Fore, 1 Aft)
• 2x Mk 51 30mm Chain Gun (1 Port, 1 Starboard)
• 4x BRG-15 15.5mm Machine Gun (2 Port, 2 Starboard)
• 4x Mk 141 Quadruple Missile Launcher (Midships)
• 16x Mk 41 8-Cell VLS (6 Fore, 10 Aft)
• 2x Mk 32 SVTT Triple Torpedo Tubes (1 Port, 1 Starboard)

Aircraft Carried: 2x SH-60 Seahawk-series Helicopters
Aviation Facilities: Flight Deck and Enclosed Hangars

[San-Silvacian]

Woahhh
Only just realized this thread exists.
Would appreciate if some of you could give this a look over, too.

Adaline Rourke-class Destroyer

Place of Origin: (Image) Federated States of Anacaspia
Builders:

• Universal Dynamics Marine Engineering
• Priscus Shipbuilding Plant
• Wash Steel Works
• Federated Drydock

Operators: (Image) Federated States Naval Component
Preceded By: Arleigh Burke-class Destroyer
Unit Cost: $1,800,000,000 NSD
Designed: 1998-2006
Built: 2006-Present
In Service: 2007-Present
Planned: 416
Completed: 173
Active: 171

---

Type: Nuclear Guided Missile Destroyer
Displacement:

• Standard: 9,250 Tons
• Fully Loaded: 11,500 Tons

Length: 167.5 Meters
Beam: 21 Meters
Draft: 8.25 Meters
Block Coefficient: 0.311
Installed Power: 2x Diesel Generator (5,000 kW each)
Propulsion: Nuclear Lead-cooled Fast Reactor (204,600 kW thermal output)

• 4x Steam Turbine (22,506 kW each)
• 2x Shaft
• 2x Five-bladed Propeller w/ Pump Jet
• 2x Rudder

Speed:

• Flank Speed: 34 Knots
• Cruising Speed: 26 Knots

Range: Unlimited (Theoretical)
Endurance: Unlimited (Theoretical; stores last up to 90 days)
Boats and Landing Craft:

• 2x Rigid Hull Inflatable Boat
• 15x Encapsulated Lifeboat

Complement: 28 Officers, 308 Enlisted

---

Sensors and Processing Systems:

• Dual Band Radar System
  • AN/SPY-3 X Band AESA Radar
  • AN/SPY-4 S Band AESA Radar
• AN/SQS-60 Bow Array Sonar
• AN/SQR-20 Multifunction Towed Array Sonar
• Sagem Vampir NG IRST System
• AN/SQQ-28 LAMPS III Shipboard System

Electronic Warfare and Decoys:

• LIG Nex1 SLQ-200K Sonata Electronic Warfare System
• AN/SLQ-25C Nixie Torpedo Decoy System
• 6x Mk 36 SRBOC Anti-ship Missile Decoy Launcher

---

Armament:

• Otobreda 127mm L/64 Dual Barrel Gun (Fore)
• 2x Shepherd Gun & Missile CIWS (1 Fore, 1 Aft)
• 2x Mk 51 30mm Chain Gun (1 Port, 1 Starboard)
• 4x BRG-15 15.5mm Machine Gun (2 Port, 2 Starboard)
• 4x Mk 141 Quadruple Missile Launcher (Midships)
• 16x Mk 41 8-Cell VLS (6 Fore, 10 Aft)
• 2x Mk 32 SVTT Triple Torpedo Tubes (1 Port, 1 Starboard)

Aircraft Carried: 2x SH-60 Seahawk-series Helicopters
Aviation Facilities: Flight Deck and Enclosed Hangars

Needs moar laser railgun turrets ciws things or else its not ns worthy

[Anacasppia]

I presume that is San-speak for 'hay dis is prity sansiber'.

[Rich and Corporations]

After some thought about an argument with Lyras on how to best project power in the NS-world, I have up with the Floating Fortress Megacapital Battleship (Copyleft by Rich and Corporations).

The floating fortress is constructed over a period of five years in a dammed bay that is drained dry. Using Incan masonry techniques and modern CAD technology, concrete blocks are fitted together like a jigsaw puzzle using a crane. These concrete blocks weigh 50 kg each and are reinforced with epoxy-coated steel. The concrete hull is over two meters thick, enough to survive even the biggest bomb blasts. The hull itself is covered with consumer-grade aluminum and foam to seal against moisture and oxidation, and is additionally painted with non-toxic anti-fouling paints (since using copper anti-fouling paints will damage entire ecosystems given the enormity of the ship). The deck of the ship is plated with 100mm of armor steel and also covered with several hundred millimeters of reinforced plastic and HCR2. The ship is additionally protected by faraday cages.

Given that the ship is the size of a small city, it can service small ships of fifty thousands tonnes or less in it's very own dry dock. For hull maintenance, it is equipped with several small hundred tonne submarines. It is equipped with a seawater to fuel conversion plant, with a capacity of five million liters of jet fuel (~2x the volume of an Olympic swimming pool) per day. It has enough empty space (roughly twenty million cubic meters) to be equipped with additional machinery, such as factories or refineries.

The ship can also assault a land location by beaching itself, although it is advised that you beach the ship during the lowest tide of the year if you wish to use it again. It has several concrete doors that can be opened through linear charges, allowing troops to charge forward directly from the bowels of the ship. The doors have depleted uranium weights on the top to allow the doors to fully open, assuming the ship is beached against soft sand. Even if there is some clearance between the doors and the ground, a 20 meter long titanium ramp can be unfolded with a weight capacity of 300 tonnes.


Displacement: 9 billion tonnes
Powerplant: 24x 5 Gigawatt Supercritical Water Reactor
Engine: 75 azipod propulsion units, 50 conventional shaft propellers, no rudders, electric drive
Speed: 33 knots

Crew Complement: 2,500,000
Troop Carrying Capacity: 50,000,000
Hospital Capacity: 10,000,000

Length: 50 kilometers
Beam: 6 kilometers
Draught: ~100 meters

Weapons

500,000 Vertical Launch Cells
1,000 CIWS defence batteries
20,000 anti-torpedo depth charge dispensers

Electronics

5 Petaflops anti-encryption supercomputer to hack enemy encryptions
1 Petaflops general purpose supercomputer, distributed throughout the ship
Numerous short-range, medium-range, and long-range radars
Also has JORN

Sonar: 1 keel mounted, 1 bow mounted, 1 port mounted, 1 stern mounted, 1 towed

Radar/signals emissions processor and retransmitter

Communications
All of them
Aircraft
Over a thousand. No need for catapult assisted takeoff.

Cost: $20 trillion NSD

[Lyras]

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