Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Sovereign Imperial Monarchy]

Your reactors are very underpowered, particularly if you're expecting 25 years of core life. I would recommend least 800MW per reactor.

Really 800MW for each reactor? I was not trying to overestimate the power output, but 800MW seems quite a bit.

[Ubaria]

X-300 'ArcAngel' Flying Fortress

Specifications

Height:
100m
Width:
640m (including wingspan)
Length:
320m
Weight:
40,000 tonnes
Top Speed:
Mach 1
Flight Ceiling:
80,000ft
Powerplant:
6 compact Nuclear Reactors
Propulsion:
4 banks of 6 air breathing thrusters
Crew capacity:
1,800
Armaments:
24x Rotating AA flak Cannons
14x long range AA missile pods
6x Cruise Missile Launchers
4 ICBM Silos
Defenses:
Long Range Air Search Radar
Long Range Communications Jammer Array
Mortar launched Chaffs and Flares
Purpose:
Mobile base and ICBM platform
Description

The ArcAngel is a massive flying fortress, a pinnacle in modern engineering and airborne warfare. Its initial purpose was a massive flying aerial command base for long range airborne and naval operations, through its various design phases more and more features were added on. One of these was the addition of a helicopter pad and short runway, the ArcAngel can carry up to 18 fighter jets and 10 helicopters. Another feature is its ICBM silos, located on the top of the aircraft, ICBMs can be launched remotely or by any officer onboard. Though only one of these gargantuan aircraft exists, more are being drafted for production, construction lasts up to 3 years. Launching is another story, solid rocket boosters were used to propel it sky high. The ArcAngel has never landed, because of its size its theorized that it would simply collapse under its own weight, though theoretically it could perform waterbourne landings. The ArcAngel is re-fueled every 52 days by 10 airliner sized fuel planes that feed fuel into ports located across the front wings.

(Unrealistic? Check. Impractical? Check.)

[The Corparation]

Updated repost of my Carriers.
From top to Bottom:
Monarch Class Fleet Carrier:
-The pride of the Navy, serve as Flagships
-6 in service
Enterprise Class STOVL Carrier:
-Most numerous Class, 16 built, 12 in service,
- used primarily as Sea Control Ships
-Hull used as base for LHA ships
Enterprise II Class Low Observable Aircraft Cruiser:
-Air Wing of Low Observable Aircraft, with ability to carry numerous cruise and AShMs, air wing stored internally to minimize RCS
-Political Clusterfuc
-Meant to replace enterprise Class, 14 Planned, only 4 built before program was cancelled due to what was seen as deficiency in ASW operations,a larger than promised RCS and IR signature, inability to conduct extended air operations without losing stealth advantage, and overly complex and unreliable electronics


Working on statblocks still, the hanger views show the complete air wings of each class, during normal operations of the Enterprise and Monarch many of those aircraft are moved onto the flight deck. The Enterprise II stores its air wing internally to preserve its RCS and Aircraft are only on the Flight Deck while being Launched or Recovered.

[Purpelia]

How do the aircraft leave the hangar, or maneuver around it?

[The Corparation]

How do the aircraft leave the hangar, or maneuver around it?

For Which Class?

[Pharthan]

Your reactors are very underpowered, particularly if you're expecting 25 years of core life. I would recommend least 800MW per reactor.

Really 800MW for each reactor? I was not trying to overestimate the power output, but 800MW seems quite a bit.

At present you have them as less powerful than a Nimitz, and you're trying to push your ship relatively fast. I could calculate a bit more accurately how much you'll need, but if I were you I'd settle to be in a ballpark of 1GW. 800MW would be bare-minimum of what you'd need to go fast and still launch planes.
More power also means the ship is capable of being overhauled with new systems, whatever they might be, that might take more power. You always want a buffer zone.
If you were going to stick to being below 34knots, you could manage with 800MW being the top of your band for what you need.

How do the aircraft leave the hangar, or maneuver around it?

For Which Class?

He's likely referring to Enterprise II for the question of leaving the hangar (the elevators, while there, are a bit difficult to see), and for maneuvering, he's likely forgetting that while in operation, many aircraft will be on the flight-deck, leaving quite a bit of space for in-hangar maneuvers.

[Sovereign Imperial Monarchy]

I was only able to find the amount of power it produces for the shaft at 194 MW though if I were to take into account the MWth to MWe then I could have each reactor be at 1700MWth (the Gerald R Ford already has a reactor capable of doing 3 times the amount than the Nimitz reactor).

Then with an efficiency conversion of say 55% it would make the total at around 1870MWe, somewhat close to the suggested minimum you mentioned before.

[The Akasha Colony]

I was only able to find the amount of power it produces for the shaft at 194 MW though if I were to take into account the MWth to MWe then I could have each reactor be at 1700MWth (the Gerald R Ford already has a reactor capable of doing 3 times the amount than the Nimitz reactor).

Then with an efficiency conversion of say 55% it would make the total at around 1870MWe, somewhat close to the suggested minimum you mentioned before.

Presumably, thermal output is what he meant, rather than electrical output. To reach 35 knots though you'll need well in excess of 300,000 shaft horsepower, or ~225 MW, in engine power alone. Adding radar and EMALS probably pushes this to around 300 MW of electrical power, plus a moderate overhead for future systems.

[Cheonbu]

The flagship of the Cheonbu Naval Defence Force is the Jayu, a San Antonio-class vessel which was built in the United States and commissioned into service in 2012. The CNDF also operates a number of other smaller vessels. These include the Sunjo and the Hyeonjong, Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates which were transferred from United States Navy in the late 1990s and have since have been upgraded to a similar standard as their sisters in Turkish service; and the Yeonsangun, a modern Incheon-class frigate which was commissioned earlier this year to replace an older frigate which was sunk by a North Korean submarine. Other vessels in Cheonbu service are mainly missile boats, patrol vessels and mine countermeasures ships.

[Sovereign Imperial Monarchy]

Presumably, thermal output is what he meant, rather than electrical output. To reach 35 knots though you'll need well in excess of 300,000 shaft horsepower, or ~225 MW, in engine power alone. Adding radar and EMALS probably pushes this to around 300 MW of electrical power, plus a moderate overhead for future systems.

I've originally had the power output of both reactors at 400MW total in electrical power, then going off by what was said earlier, it is now around 1800 MWe if the efficiency is 55% from thermal to electrical. Even if I do 35% it'll still be at 1190 MWe from both reactors total. More than twice of what is actually needed according to what is needed to operate the carrier with an overhead.

Not that I'm complaining, this is something I did not expect where the correction would actually benefit my concept more than intended.

[The Akasha Colony]

Presumably, thermal output is what he meant, rather than electrical output. To reach 35 knots though you'll need well in excess of 300,000 shaft horsepower, or ~225 MW, in engine power alone. Adding radar and EMALS probably pushes this to around 300 MW of electrical power, plus a moderate overhead for future systems.

I've originally had the power output of both reactors at 400MW total in electrical power, then going off by what was said earlier, it is now around 1800 MWe if the efficiency is 55% from thermal to electrical. Even if I do 35% it'll still be at 1190 MWe from both reactors total. More than twice of what is actually needed according to what is needed to operate the carrier with an overhead.

Not that I'm complaining, this is something I did not expect where the correction would actually benefit my concept more than intended.

You don't actually need twice the power, since major consumers of electricity like the catapults and the engines won't suddenly increase in power. The things that are likely to are the sensors and maybe the electronics, although modern trends have actually increased power efficiency in electronics so they may very well use less power in the future. But even a huge theater radar will consume at most around 30 MW, far short of even the modern Nimitz-class' 194 MW to propulsion at maximum speed.

[Pharthan]

I've originally had the power output of both reactors at 400MW total in electrical power, then going off by what was said earlier, it is now around 1800 MWe if the efficiency is 55% from thermal to electrical. Even if I do 35% it'll still be at 1190 MWe from both reactors total. More than twice of what is actually needed according to what is needed to operate the carrier with an overhead.

Not that I'm complaining, this is something I did not expect where the correction would actually benefit my concept more than intended.

You don't actually need twice the power, since major consumers of electricity like the catapults and the engines won't suddenly increase in power. The things that are likely to are the sensors and maybe the electronics, although modern trends have actually increased power efficiency in electronics so they may very well use less power in the future. But even a huge theater radar will consume at most around 30 MW, far short of even the modern Nimitz-class' 194 MW to propulsion at maximum speed.

I did in fact mean MWt. It's what I'm used to - in part because it has more relevance to Naval Reactors, as electricity is far from the largest load of a Naval Reactor. Hence why I'm not a fan of MWe scale measurements.
Now, if you're using an all-electric propulsion plant, sure.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

Due to our Nazi superscience and the invention of anti-gravity transportation we can finally use our

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Due to our Nazi superscience and the invention of anti-gravity transportation we can finally use our

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[Atlantica]

Due to our Nazi superscience and the invention of anti-gravity transportation we can finally use our

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We see your Nazi super science and counter with common sense, taste, and actual legit super science.

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Exactly.

[The Akasha Colony]

Due to our Nazi superscience and the invention of anti-gravity transportation we can finally use our

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We see your Nazi super science and counter with common sense, taste, and actual legit super science.

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Although it's not really anything but taste, which is subjective to begin with.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

We see your Nazi super science and counter with common sense, taste, and actual legit super science.

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Although it's not really anything but taste, which is subjective to begin with.

Oh please, space battleships....that look like water ones!

The Bloody fools! Gah! The image is still in my retinas!

[The Akasha Colony]

Although it's not really anything but taste, which is subjective to begin with.

Oh please, space battleships....that look like water ones!

The Bloody fools! Gah! The image is still in my retinas!

And they're literally about as realistic as the ships that appear in most pop-sci fi series.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Oh please, space battleships....that look like water ones!

The Bloody fools! Gah! The image is still in my retinas!

And they're literally about as realistic as the ships that appear in most pop-sci fi series.

Oh don't get me started on that.....

Started Playing Marathon 3 in 2107, and the bad guys ships looked like whales...

[Sovereign Imperial Monarchy]

You don't actually need twice the power, since major consumers of electricity like the catapults and the engines won't suddenly increase in power. The things that are likely to are the sensors and maybe the electronics, although modern trends have actually increased power efficiency in electronics so they may very well use less power in the future. But even a huge theater radar will consume at most around 30 MW, far short of even the modern Nimitz-class' 194 MW to propulsion at maximum speed.

Hmm there is a concept around of using Railguns as a CIWS against missiles for its longer range and muzzle velocity. Though not actually sure on the amount of power they would require for use.

[Rich and Corporations]

You don't actually need twice the power, since major consumers of electricity like the catapults and the engines won't suddenly increase in power. The things that are likely to are the sensors and maybe the electronics, although modern trends have actually increased power efficiency in electronics so they may very well use less power in the future. But even a huge theater radar will consume at most around 30 MW, far short of even the modern Nimitz-class' 194 MW to propulsion at maximum speed.

Hmm there is a concept around of using Railguns as a CIWS against missiles for its longer range and muzzle velocity. Though not actually sure on the amount of power they would require for use.

Tell me more.

[Triplebaconation]

Updated repost of my Carriers.
From top to Bottom:
Monarch Class Fleet Carrier:
-The pride of the Navy, serve as Flagships
-6 in service
Enterprise Class STOVL Carrier:
-Most numerous Class, 16 built, 12 in service,
- used primarily as Sea Control Ships
-Hull used as base for LHA ships
Enterprise II Class Low Observable Aircraft Cruiser:
-Air Wing of Low Observable Aircraft, with ability to carry numerous cruise and AShMs, air wing stored internally to minimize RCS
-Political Clusterfuc
-Meant to replace enterprise Class, 14 Planned, only 4 built before program was cancelled due to what was seen as deficiency in ASW operations,a larger than promised RCS and IR signature, inability to conduct extended air operations without losing stealth advantage, and overly complex and unreliable electronics


Working on statblocks still, the hanger views show the complete air wings of each class, during normal operations of the Enterprise and Monarch many of those aircraft are moved onto the flight deck. The Enterprise II stores its air wing internally to preserve its RCS and Aircraft are only on the Flight Deck while being Launched or Recovered.

How did 4 Enterprise IIs get built? It doesn't have catapults launching planes into bulwarks like the Sovereign Imperial Monarchy carrier, but it doesn't look workable at all.

[Pharthan]

You don't actually need twice the power, since major consumers of electricity like the catapults and the engines won't suddenly increase in power. The things that are likely to are the sensors and maybe the electronics, although modern trends have actually increased power efficiency in electronics so they may very well use less power in the future. But even a huge theater radar will consume at most around 30 MW, far short of even the modern Nimitz-class' 194 MW to propulsion at maximum speed.

Hmm there is a concept around of using Railguns as a CIWS against missiles for its longer range and muzzle velocity. Though not actually sure on the amount of power they would require for use.

Those would still only require twice the electrical power (about 10% increase in MWt), likely. Where he needs twice the power is going as fast as he wants.

[Grays Harbor]

Look up "corvette", "OPV", and "cutter". Those are patrol vessels.

Just because you can load garbage in the back of a sedan doesn't make it a pick-up truck.

If you're implying that the men, women and Marines deployed on LHDs for maritime security and counter-narcotics operations are "garbage" I can think of a fitting place for you to park your sedan and Shipbucket-standard condescension.

Do you know what a simile is? A comparison? For you to imply I think the US Military is garbage is insulting, particularly as I spent 16 years in the Air Force and Army, finishing as an Infantry Officer. You can insult me all you want, that just makes you the smaller person. Get off your high horse.

You can use a freaking oar-powered Battlecruiser, for all I care at this point. Certain ships are designed for and suited for particular and specific missions and roles. The Navy is using LHD's for anti-piracy patrols because that is what is available, not because of some inherent superiority of that design for the role. My pointing out the bloody obvious to you is not because of, as you so quaintly put it, "Shipbucket-standard condescension", it is because of 45+ years of studying naval history. And for the record, the folks on shipbucket know, collectively, more about ship design and naval history than any other group I've ever been involved with. But what would a bunch of Naval Officers, Merchant Sailors, Ship-Designers (yes, real ones), Naval Architects, and Naval Historians know about the subject, right?

[Rich and Corporations]

Battleship Paper Project
Propulsion: COGAN (combined gas and nuclear)
The gas turbines directly drive generators, powering the ship's hotel loads. Their exhaust boils water, the steam from the reactors and the turbines drives common steam plants, driving the propellers.
3x 50 MW Gas Turbines (net output is ~75 MW each)
2x 3 MW Gas Turbines (net output is ~4 MW each)
2x 1000 MW Nuclear Reactors