Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Pharthan]

what does "getting out there" mean

Presumably he means actually engaging pirates, boarding and/or blowing pirates up.

Pretty much. Flagships don't necessarily actually engage in combat, nor are they even always well armed.
Now, I have no doubt that they could, and with their helicopters perhaps even be effective (especially since she had Super Cobras aboard at the time, and specialized units to carry out their missions). Still wouldn't be my first choice as a dedicated "Patrol ship," like was being discussed. As a Flagship and "operating base," for the forces she was deploying, though, sure, great choice. I'd still go with a dedicated Helicopter Carrier if I had my pick, but they could have done worse. Considering many of her forces at the time had cross-decked from the Iwo Jima, I'd say odds were that the Navy had thought the same, and when it was time for the Iwo Jima to turn back, they needed a replacement.

Also, I hate to bring this up again, but I did some math based on some realizations I had (mostly regarding how beautifully the Fibonacci Sequence fits into certain parts of these calculations) regarding ship-length-speed figures and their relation to water-resistance, factoring in errors. If the screws were the same and didn't provide any additional issues (and they probably would), you'd need at least a 1Gigawatt reactor to push out enough power to get a Nimitz going an additional five knots. Speed screws might help that, but again you're placing a lot of extra stress on the ship... but you'd be able to get a nice "rooster tail" of water coming off of the back of a carrier, which is a cool though.
I did, however, realize that this would also require upscaling much of the propulsion plant. It'd either get somewhat crowded... or require a bigger ship, which brings us back to ship-length-to-speed ratios. Considering the stress on the hull at these speeds, you'd have to increase some structural supports.

In short: Yeah, okay, I see why it's not logical to expect more than 30-33 knots out of a carrier. Just wanted to prove it to myself. Doubling reactor-power, essentially, just for an additional few knots that are going to cripple your ship anyway?

[Atlantica]

Presumably he means actually engaging pirates, boarding and/or blowing pirates up.

Pretty much. Flagships don't necessarily actually engage in combat, nor are they even always well armed.
Now, I have no doubt that they could, and with their helicopters perhaps even be effective (especially since she had Super Cobras aboard at the time, and specialized units to carry out their missions). Still wouldn't be my first choice as a dedicated "Patrol ship," like was being discussed. As a Flagship and "operating base," for the forces she was deploying, though, sure, great choice. I'd still go with a dedicated Helicopter Carrier if I had my pick, but they could have done worse. Considering many of her forces at the time had cross-decked from the Iwo Jima, I'd say odds were that the Navy had thought the same, and when it was time for the Iwo Jima to turn back, they needed a replacement.

Also, I hate to bring this up again, but I did some math based on some realizations I had (mostly regarding how beautifully the Fibonacci Sequence fits into certain parts of these calculations) regarding ship-length-speed figures and their relation to water-resistance, factoring in errors. If the screws were the same and didn't provide any additional issues (and they probably would), you'd need at least a 1Gigawatt reactor to push out enough power to get a Nimitz going an additional five knots. Speed screws might help that, but again you're placing a lot of extra stress on the ship... but you'd be able to get a nice "rooster tail" of water coming off of the back of a carrier, which is a cool though.
I did, however, realize that this would also require upscaling much of the propulsion plant. It'd either get somewhat crowded... or require a bigger ship, which brings us back to ship-length-to-speed ratios. Considering the stress on the hull at these speeds, you'd have to increase some structural supports.

In short: Yeah, okay, I see why it's not logical to expect more than 30-33 knots out of a carrier. Just wanted to prove it to myself. Doubling reactor-power, essentially, just for an additional few knots that are going to cripple your ship anyway?

Just saw the armament of the Blue Ridge... that's pretty deadly.

[Asigna]

BRP Ibbarra sailing with a Super ferry liner

[Pharthan]

Just saw the armament of the Blue Ridge... that's pretty deadly.

What, a couple of 25mm guns, CIWS, and a few .50 cals?

[Lamoni]

Just saw the armament of the Blue Ridge... that's pretty deadly.

What, a couple of 25mm guns, CIWS, and a few .50 cals?

I've seen OPVs with more firepower than that.

[Atlantica]

Just saw the armament of the Blue Ridge... that's pretty deadly.

What, a couple of 25mm guns, CIWS, and a few .50 cals?

No, I was taking about how deadly the fate of the ship would be when it got locked on by a Yakhont.

[Kulsandia]

The Royal Kulsandian Navy operates 31 warships. All of which are conventional surface ships. The Navy has no amphibious assault or true blue water capability as the military is considered to be entirely defensive. The most numerous of these are the Stallion-class Patrol Boats, a domestic design of fast patrol boats, They are used primarily to patrol our exclusive economic zone, fisheries and border protection. 12 Stallion-class fast patrol craft are operated by the Navy.

They are supplemented in the patrol role by the larger Australian-made Armidale-class Offshore Patrol Boats. 5 Ships were purchased from Australia between 2007-2010, to replace the British-made Island-class Patrol vessels.

The Navy also operates 7 Gepard-class fast attack craft for combat against enemy surface vessels. They were purchased in the mid 2000's from Germany to replace the aging Zobel-class torpedo boats.

The largest warships operated by the Navy are British-made Type 22 Frigates. Designated Broadsword-class by the Kulsandian Navy, 3 Ships were purchased in the 2000's as the British were decommissioning them in favour of the Type 23 Frigates. The Type 22's are employed in an anti-submarine and anti-shipping role. They are the only true ocean-going ships in the Kulsandian Navy, although the Navy lacks Auxiliary ships to support them in this role.

Finally, The Royal Navy operates 3 British-made Hunt-class mine countermeasures vessel for searching for and destroying mines found in or near our territorial waters. Though Kulsandia reserves the right to deploy naval mines for national defence, there are no current and no plans for dedicated minelayer ships. The Royal Navy uses the minelaying capability on the Gepard-class ships for this role.

There is also the Naval Air Service. The Naval AIr Service operates 3 Lynx helicopters from the Type 22 Frigates, 5 shore-based SH-3 Sea Kings for search and rescue operations, and 2 Britten-Norman Islander aircraft for Maritime Patrol.

[Sovereign Imperial Monarchy]

I have a post-modern carrier that's been around in my site for a while, started to review over the stats of it to be more fitting along the lines of PMT.

Length: 1,165 ft. (355 meters)
Beam: 290 ft./88 meters (flight deck)
150 ft./45 meters (waterline)
Armament: 3x VAM1-CIWS Missile Launchers, 8x VRC-335 Hogo-sha 35mm CIWS Rotary cannons
Speed: 30 knots (cruise), 35 knots (max)
Powerplant: 2x VCFR1700 Reactors (3400MWth).
Range: Unlimited, 25 years of reactor life
Displacement: 121,000 tons.
Crew: 4,975
Complement: ~80 aircraft
Manufacturer: Vega Technology Institution

[Triplebaconation]

Some very interesting design features.

[Imperial isa]

I have a post-modern carrier that's been around in my site for a while, started to review over the stats of it to be more fitting along the lines of PMT.

(Image)

Length: 1,165 ft. (355 meters)
Beam: 290 ft./88 meters (flight deck)
150 ft./45 meters (waterline)
Armament: 3x VTIAM1-CIWS Missile Launchers, 8x VTIRC-440 Hogo-sha 40mm CIWS Rotary cannons
Speed: 30 knots (cruise), 35 knots (max)
Powerplant: 2x VTI-CFR200 Reactors (400MW).
Range: Unlimited, 25 years of reactor life
Displacement: 121,000 tons.
Crew: 4,975
Complement: ~80 aircraft
Manufacturer: Vega Technology Institution

Does it have EMALS ?

[Atlantica]

I have a post-modern carrier that's been around in my site for a while, started to review over the stats of it to be more fitting along the lines of PMT.

(Image)

Length: 1,165 ft. (355 meters)
Beam: 290 ft./88 meters (flight deck)
150 ft./45 meters (waterline)
Armament: 3x VTIAM1-CIWS Missile Launchers, 8x VTIRC-440 Hogo-sha 40mm CIWS Rotary cannons
Speed: 30 knots (cruise), 35 knots (max)
Powerplant: 2x VTI-CFR200 Reactors (400MW).
Range: Unlimited, 25 years of reactor life
Displacement: 121,000 tons.
Crew: 4,975
Complement: ~80 aircraft
Manufacturer: Vega Technology Institution

Does it have EMALS ?

I hope it has it: EMALS are the way of the future, as it does not generate the steam out from the catapult system, unlike the conventional steam catapults.

[Sovereign Imperial Monarchy]

Typically yes it would have EMALS over the steam powered catapults.

[Grays Harbor]

What would this hypothetical specialized "maritime patrol vessel" look like? That's like saying "specialized navy vessel."

Look up "corvette", "OPV", and "cutter". Those are patrol vessels.

Just because you can load garbage in the back of a sedan doesn't make it a pick-up truck.

[Triplebaconation]

What would this hypothetical specialized "maritime patrol vessel" look like? That's like saying "specialized navy vessel."

Look up "corvette", "OPV", and "cutter". Those are patrol vessels.

Just because you can load garbage in the back of a sedan doesn't make it a pick-up truck.

If you're implying that the men, women and Marines deployed on LHDs for maritime security and counter-narcotics operations are "garbage" I can think of a fitting place for you to park your sedan and Shipbucket-standard condescension.

[Gallia-]

What would this hypothetical specialized "maritime patrol vessel" look like? That's like saying "specialized navy vessel."

Look up "corvette", "OPV", and "cutter". Those are patrol vessels.

Just because you can load garbage in the back of a sedan doesn't make it a pick-up truck.

US Coast Guard cutters are effectively anti-submarine frigates comparable to Oliver Hazard Perry-class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Mell ... HEC-717%29

Is this what you're talking about?

[Cameroi]

we have no need for war anything

[Neo Philippine Empire]

BRP Ibbarra sailing with a Super ferry liner

(Image)

Our Aguinaldo class Battleships of the Imperial Navy has a similar designs of this ship.

[Pharthan]

I hope it has it: EMALS are the way of the future, as it does not generate the steam out from the catapult system, unlike the conventional steam catapults.

That steam is actually generated in the Reactor Compartment.

I have a post-modern carrier that's been around in my site for a while, started to review over the stats of it to be more fitting along the lines of PMT.

(Image)

Length: 1,165 ft. (355 meters)
Beam: 290 ft./88 meters (flight deck)
150 ft./45 meters (waterline)
Armament: 3x VTIAM1-CIWS Missile Launchers, 8x VTIRC-440 Hogo-sha 40mm CIWS Rotary cannons
Speed: 30 knots (cruise), 35 knots (max)
Powerplant: 2x VTI-CFR200 Reactors (400MW).
Range: Unlimited, 25 years of reactor life
Displacement: 121,000 tons.
Crew: 4,975
Complement: ~80 aircraft
Manufacturer: Vega Technology Institution

Your reactors are very underpowered, particularly if you're expecting 25 years of core life. I would recommend least 800MW per reactor.

[Purpelia]

Is it just me or is the Bismarck really under armed? I mean it has only 8 15 inch guns, where as the standard for post WW1 battleships seemed to be 9 x 16.

[Pharthan]

Look up "corvette", "OPV", and "cutter". Those are patrol vessels.

Just because you can load garbage in the back of a sedan doesn't make it a pick-up truck.

If you're implying that the men, women and Marines deployed on LHDs for maritime security and counter-narcotics operations are "garbage" I can think of a fitting place for you to park your sedan and Shipbucket-standard condescension.

While I wouldn't consider them garbage, I wouldn't give an LHD a "patrol" designation for their usefulness.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

Is it just me or is the Bismarck really under armed? I mean it has only 8 15 inch guns, where as the standard for post WW1 battleships seemed to be 9 x 16.

The sinking of Hood was undeniably a luck shot so Yes

[Connori Pilgrims]

Is it just me or is the Bismarck really under armed? I mean it has only 8 15 inch guns, where as the standard for post WW1 battleships seemed to be 9 x 16.

The calibre of 38cm (14.96" technically) was due mainly to 1.) it was the largest calibre of naval gun they had experience working on, 2.) to match the French Richelieu class and 3.) when the class was designed Hitler did not yet want to provoke Britain and the London Treaty (which the Germans followed by way of the Anglo-German Naval Treaty) was still in effect which did not allow for 406mm (16") weapons.

The 4 two-gun turret arrangement was chosen for fire distribution purposes (4 guns either end) as well as relatively simple fire control arrangement, which were a priority for the Kriegsmarine for some reason. They never took to arming their post-Scharnhorst battleships with three-gun turrets, likely its simply because such things, while more efficient, would've eaten more resources and construction time per turret/weapon system than the Germans were willing to invest given their infrastructure and design/construction experience.

The end result being what you've stated, that German WWII battleships, for all the fapping they get today, were actually generally outgunned by Allied battleships (even the King George V-Class, with their smaller 14" (356mm) weapons technically matched or exceeded them in broadside, to say nothing of the Yanks' and their lol 406mm nine-gun batteries firing superheavy rounds). Their fire control (and luck) was what led them through in Bismarck vs. Hood... although as Allied radar advanced even that advantage disappeared (see the Duke of York vs. Scharnhorst in 1943).

EDIT: Also, that picture Neo Philippine Empire is using is technically of the Admiral Hipper-Class Heavy Cruiser; it can be identified by the relatively smaller main gun turrets (the Bismarcks were visibly larger, and their guns had more spacing between them) and the aft mast (Bismarcks had more superstructure aft).

[The Akasha Colony]

Is it just me or is the Bismarck really under armed? I mean it has only 8 15 inch guns, where as the standard for post WW1 battleships seemed to be 9 x 16.

Only the United States ever adopted the 16"/406 mm as standard. The other European powers generally focused on 15" guns. The French Richelieus used two four-gun 380 mm turrets, while the Italians used three three-gun 381 mm turrets. The British experimented with a slew of designs, including the 9 x 406 mm Nelson-class, but these were not considered to be a success. They returned to 14"/356 mm guns in the workhorse King George V-class, and the last British battleship ever constructed, Vanguard, used WWI-era 15" guns.

Japan had planned to switch to 16" guns, as did the British with their G3 proposal, but the Washington Naval Treaty restricted these guns to the Nagato-class, which Japan had been working on, and the British Nelson-class, granted as a special dispensation in the treaty as the British would have otherwise lacked any 16" armed ships. When Japan resumed battleship construction, it jumped to the 18.1"/460 mm guns on the Yamato, and also adopted the 3 x 3 configuration whereas previously following British influence Japan had favored two-gun turrets.

The US had begun using three-gun turrets with the Standard-type Nevada-class in 1916, and adopted the 16" gun with the Colorado-class in 1921, although due to increased weight these ships reverted to two-gun turrets. When the US resumed battleship construction with the North Carolina-class, it finally adopted the iconic 3 x 3 arrangement of 16" guns, which was shared with the South Dakota and Iowa-classes (although Iowa had newer and more advanced guns).

So the 16" gun, and in particular the 3 x 3 configuration was never all that common. In Europe, particularly, the two-gun turret remained popular as it was felt to provide superior damage compartmentalization by spreading out the armament among a greater number of turrets. Thus, damage to a turret would only knock out a quarter of the ship's firepower rather than a full 1/3. It is likely this configuration would have remained fully dominant had it not been for the Washington and London treaties, which created an emphasis on weight saving measures and resulted in rather unusual designs like the Nelson, Dunkerque, and Richelieu's all-forward armament and King George V's odd mix of quad and dual 14" turrets.

That aside, there is much more to battleship firepower than simple gun size; the Italian 381 mm Model 1934 had penetrating power and range on par with the Japanese 18.1" Type 94 despite the massive difference in caliber. British ships actually tended to have rather poor penetration characteristics and short range, a function of the fact that most British 15" guns were recycled WWI-era Mark I guns, while British experiments with other guns and other calibers were not especially successful. Hood was armed with these guns, while Bismarck was armed with the newer German 38 cm SK C/34s, which had much better range and penetration than the British shells (although still well short of the Italian Model 1934).

[The Sarian]

Type 37 Frigates
Named after: Colonies
HMS Wilterset
HMS St Wilhelm
HMS Latvijas
HMS Pitaluga

Type 38 Frigates
Named after: Sarian Rivers
HMS Upavon
HMS Baber
HMS Option
HMS Moody Brooke

Type 40 Frigates
Named after: Sarian Lakes
HMS Sulivan
HMS Hammond
HMS Edwards

Type 41 Frigates
Named after: Outer Islands
HMS Barren
HMS Carcass
HMS Fox
HMS Kidney
HMS Speedwell
HMS Saunders

Type 9 Super carriers
Named after: Members of the Royal Family
HMS Prince Albert
HMS Prince David
HMS Prince Pierre

Type 10 Super Carriers
Named after: Monarchs
HMS King William V
HMS King Albert I
HMS Queen Jessica II
HMS King Johannes I
HMS Queen Priscilla I
HMS Queen Isabella I
HMS King Najee II

Type 17 Amphibious Assault Ships
Named after: Courage
HMS Courage
HMS Bravery
HMS Valour
HMS Audacity
HMS Daring

Type 31 Battle-cruisers
Named after: Provinces
HMS Regio
HMS Kongliege
HMS Lojal
HMS Falklands
HMS Porshmap
HMS Kensingtea
HMS Oakhurst

Type 32 Battle-cruisers
Named after: Cities
HMS Chippenham
HMS New Calne
HMS Salvador
HMS Albert

Type 48 Battleships
Named after: Cities
HMS Crompton
HMS Stanley
HMS Highsthrope
HMS Darwin

Type 49 Battleships
Named after: Battle
HMS Fight
HMS Conflict
HMS Encounter
HMS Skirmish
HMS Engagement
HMS Clash

Type 94 Corvettes
Named after: Mountains
HMS Kent
HMS Longdon
HMS Tumbledown
HMS Wickham

Type 95 Corvettes
Named after: Colonies
HMS Kings Point
HMS Key East

Type 96 Corvettes
Named after: Beaches
HMS Surf Bay
HMS Ajax Bay
HMS Blue Beach
HMS Berthas Beach

Type 97 Corvettes
Named after: Harbours
HMS Hope Harbour
HMS Johnson's Harbour
HMS Port William
HMS Port Luke
HMS Chippenham Harbour
HMS Port Jordan

Type 99 Corvettes
Named after: Members of the Royal Family
HMS Prince Jordan
HMS Prince Oliver

Type 102 Corvettes
Named after: Members of the Royal Family
HMS Prince David
HMS Prince Ronan
HMS Princess Charlotte
HMS Princess Elanor

Type 72 Cruisers
Named after: Power
HMS Authority
HMS Command
HMS Dominion
HMS Dominance

Type 102 Destroyers
Named after: Reaction
HMS Recoil
HMS Response
HMS Strike
HMS Retort

Type 103 Destroyers
Named after: Dynasties
HMS Wiltshire
HMS Henrikson
HMS Dehaye
HMS Tench

Type 104 Destroyers
Named after: Monarch
HMS Regal
HMS Monarch
HMS Majesty
HMS Royal

Type 34 Submarines
Named after: Appease
HMS Pacify
HMS Indulge
HMS Tranquilize
HMS Gratify

Type 36 Submarines
Named after: Pride
HMS Pride
HMS Imperious
HMS Glorious
HMS Splendid

Type 67 Minesweeper
Named after: Safety
HMS Protection
HMS Welfare
HMS Security
HMS Safety

[Vaxon]

The Spyder [Class; SCOUT]

The Spyder ship is a ship that is (purposely) shaped like a spider in some ways. It's appendages have many weapons, and these weapons are stored in a similar way to a swiss army knife. The Spyder can stay under enemy radars for days, even months before being noticed. This is due to the fact it is about the size of a car, so it's nearly undetectable in space. The type of ships that carry Spyders are called "Ox". The Oxes ship will be listed below.

The Ox [Class; SCOUTING FRIGATE]

The Ox ship is a huge ship, comparable to that of a small warship (approx. 50 KM long/wide/tall), and is often confused for one in battle. The Ox ship can release about one (1) billion Spyder ships within seconds from its numerous hangers that go from one side to the other side of the ship (left/right). The Ox's weapons can vary, but usually they have at least 10 laser cannons, and 1 Antimatter bomb launcher.