Your Nations Warships, MKII

[Yukonastan]

I posted coordinates for the Nostradamus array over on the realism thread. Beware that they're VERY hard to see on google maps, because they're so thin.
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This marks the site's location better, it's that sandy cross. Co-ordinates are at the exact centre of that cross, if you check the realism thread.

What exactly does this have to do with the Longsword?

It's a very basic question about the ship, and one that's never been answered. Where is the antenna?

Longsword's an OTH carrier (apparently) so I share your confusion about the antenna being invisible.

Considering that the Longsword apparently uses a colocated transmitter/receiver installation, Nostradamus is the most similar.

[Yukonastan]

What exactly does this have to do with the Longsword?

It's a very basic question about the ship, and one that's never been answered. Where is the antenna?

Ooh can I guess? Uh.. is it a SPQ Radar?

Wrong. It's an OTH radar.

As for AShMs required to take out a ship, HMS Sheffield was struck by a single Exocet which didn't even explode.
She did take six says before she sank, however.

[Yukonastan]

Hexagonal array. Six arms, each about half a nostradamus arm, give or take. Arguably worth fleshing out more in the write up. But the proof of concept is shown here, the details are another point.

So you still have 288 antennas split into two sets of 144 receivers and 144 transmitters?

That's still 48 antennas per arm, and considering each arm of the Nostradamus array is 350 metres long, then 350 metres is your diameter at its longest (half the arm length), 304 metres at its shortest (as it's a hexagon).

The beam of the longsword is only 208 metres.

[Yukonastan]

So six arms, each around 200 meters long, 208 meter beam.

They'll hang about 60 meters off each side of the ship and take a full third of the centerline length.

Only a quarter of the length, Longsword is slightly >= 1200 metres at the waterline.

[Yukonastan]

So six arms, each around 200 meters long, 208 meter beam.

They'll hang about 60 meters off each side of the ship and take a full third of the centerline length.

50-odd meters beyond the edge of the main hull over the waterline sounds about right. Supporting structures for the array =/= ship structural elements. If this was the gripe, then I can start to see some of your collective uncertainties. Perhaps I haven't been as clear as I thought I had been, and the write up includes less of my notes than I'd remembered.
I dislike typing on my phone.

Fifty metres of overhang to the widest point, assuming two of the six arms are parallel with the keel axis, seventy-five metres assuming that two arms are tangent to the keel axis.

Still makes the ship a third wider. Not sure if I'd want to buy it, though. Not sure if I even CAN buy it, considering I play my nation as if it's forty years ago.

[Yukonastan]

None of the above issues cannot be solved or mitigated. Will take some electronic work, but eminently do-able. As is the underlying point. Whether or not it looks silly worries me far less.

While we're on the Longsword, what year is it in? What year, canonically, was it designed?

[Yukonastan]

While we're on the Longsword, what year is it in? What year, canonically, was it designed?

Late MT. Whenever I first posted the damn thing.

Soo... 1974 would definitely be out, I guess, considering you posted it almost five years ago.

I still fail to see why you would need OTH radar on a ship, or why the ship would need to be so fuckhuge. It's nothing but an AShM magnet that way.
And yes, it comes up fairly often over on the realism thread, "How do we disable or destroy fuckhuge warships such as the Longsword?"

[Yukonastan]

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The question I have is whether it would simply be more worthwhile to have it on a platform instead of a ship. It would be ideally suited to it.

Largest oil platform at this time is 133m by 100m. This array is about 304m to 350m on a side.

[Yukonastan]

Yuko, main advantage is detecting and tracking opposing fleets and/or aircraft from well outside their engagement envelope, so that you can hit them, while they cant hit you. Very simplistically put. TBN, that is an answer I'll try to get to other than from my phone.

Your radar's range ends up being vastly less than the 7000 km claimed. Granted, LRASM's range is under a thousand kilometres, but your skywave array will be near maximum range to detect them.

[Yukonastan]

They should mount SL-AIM-54 Pheonix on ships start with the Ticonderoga Class Cruisers

AIM-54 is an air-to-air missile. It lacks a boost stage for launching. Hence, not capable of surface launch at this time.

[Yukonastan]

Dump the depth charges and the torpedo tubes. That's what ASROCs and antiship missiles are for.

ASW torpedo tubes were a common feature on warships through the late Cold War - typically triple 324mm on NATO vessels, and twin/triple/quad/quintuple 400mm or 522mm on Soviet vessels. The latter can actually be used to fire the RPK-6 Vodopad, one of the Soviet counterparts to ASROC.

Not sure where people are seeing depth charges, though - unless they're looking at that big winch under the helicopter landing pad. NVM, I see it was a reference to RBU-6000 - which throws its "depth charges" out to a range of up to 6 kilometers and is capable of launching munitions with a limited homing capability. "Depth Charge Projector" is partly just poor wording on my part, but I can't think of a less cumbersome description. ASWMLRS?

Hedgehog.

[Yukonastan]

So guys due to an RP I am going to have an Europe class cruiser. Something the size of Kirov or maybe larger. Any advices for it? It is an European design from the EU so it can have technology available to the EU

You mean an existing design? No such thing. Europe doesn't have any cruisers, and the Kirov is the largest non-carrier ship in the world, by a couple hundred feet.

*cough*



Europe does have some cool "frigates", though. Closer to what some people would call cruisers in size and role.

[Yukonastan]

The Iowa-class is 10 meters longer.

The Iowa's are also museums, not active warships.

*cough*



Europe does have some cool "frigates", though. Closer to what some people would call cruisers in size and role.

That is a container ship. Last I checked, container ships weren't considered warships.

...the Kirov is the largest non-carrier ship in the world, by a couple hundred feet.

Triple Es are 400 metres, and are the longest ships in service.

[Yukonastan]

The first test you should run your navy though is "can Padnak destroy this" if the answer is yes

you need to go back to the drawing board

You can utterly curb stomp any navy that doesn't have fuckhuge amounts of SAMs. So that isn't a truly representative test.

[Yukonastan]

Um

Wha

Whut?

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=79910&d=1252721541

O.O

You surely do not wish to tell me there's VLS and helipad, as well as passive sonar, on a WWII-era megadreadnought?

At least it's only HALF a kilometre long. Only forty metres longer than the longest true ship.

[Yukonastan]

*snip*
CCV? Surely you mean 3R-A-14?

Your numbering system confuses me.

If I take this right, this is the fourteenth hull of aviation ships, third rate?

[Yukonastan]

Your numbering system confuses me.

If I take this right, this is the fourteenth hull of aviation ships, third rate?

Yes.

What if you have several classes of ships with the same purpose and the same rate?

For the sake of argument, the LCS-Odd Freedom class and the LCS-Even Independence class.

These would have the same classification, say, for example 4R-L-1 and 4R-L-2. However, there's no class distinction. Is this an issue or no? Or am I missing something?

[Yukonastan]

What if you have several classes of ships with the same purpose and the same rate?

For the sake of argument, the LCS-Odd Freedom class and the LCS-Even Independence class.

These would have the same classification, say, for example 4R-L-1 and 4R-L-2. However, there's no class distinction. Is this an issue or no? Or am I missing something?

They would find something to differentiate it. I haven't thought it through much yet, but they would try to retain the hull numbers of a class together, so it would be 4R-L-1 to 4R-L-5 as the Freedom, and the 4R-L-6 to 4R-L-10 as Independence. Otherwise they might append on something else, e.g. 4R-L(F)-1 is the Fourth Rate - Littoral Combat Ship (Freedom Class) - Hull 01, but that creates the obvious problem of making it appear as if a 4R-L(F) ship has a different purpose to a 4R-L(I) ship, when it might not.

It might actually not be an issue (Rate-Role(Class)-Hull), at least as I read it. The bigger issue is going to be fitting it on the hull neatly. Your class numbers are longer than the hull.

I assume it'd be written like 4L1-I (short hand for 4R-L(I)-01), or 1AN2 (sh for 1R-AN-02), to keep a clean hull?

[Yukonastan]

It might actually not be an issue (Rate-Role(Class)-Hull), at least as I read it. The bigger issue is going to be fitting it on the hull neatly. Your class numbers are longer than the hull.

I assume it'd be written like 4L1-I (short hand for 4R-L(I)-01), or 1AN2 (sh for 1R-AN-02), to keep a clean hull?

Yeah, the RKNV Zeus is a First Rate, Aircraft Carrier and nuclear powered, lead ship of her class (1R-AN 01) and would be written as 1AN02. That's the same length as CVN68, the code for the USS Nimitz.

you dun goofed unless there's a secret hull somewhere

Is there?

[Yukonastan]

you dun goofed unless there's a secret hull somewhere

Is there?

Nah, typo. But 1R-C-01 (first Rate, Cannon (a ship relying on guns more than missiles), Hull Number 01) is going to be the code for the navy's not!Victory/not!Ironsides.

i'm posting in the navy thread without suggesting a big gun ship firing scramjet shells

i must be ill

You should load those :not:Ironsides with scramjet shells.

[Yukonastan]

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I seem to be able to fit far too many helicopters into my hanger, am i missing something?

You have a LOLHUEG helideck, and you're not leaving space for maintenance.
Edit:
F823, the Hr.Ms. Philips van Almonde, a Dutch frigate. Note the apparent size difference of bird deck and hangar. Note also how narrow the deck is, in relation to its length.

[Yukonastan]

You have a LOLHUEG helideck, and you're not leaving space for maintenance.
Edit:
F823, the Hr.Ms. Philips van Almonde, a Dutch frigate. Note the apparent size difference of bird deck and hangar. Note also how narrow the deck is, in relation to its length.
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Maybe he wants to be able to land Chinooks?

Deck doesn't need to be that ridiculously broad to land a Chinny, you can land a Chinny on the deck I linked.

[Yukonastan]

Deck doesn't need to be that ridiculously broad to land a Chinny, you can land a Chinny on the deck I linked.

No you can't, you'd be loosing rotors (Kortenaer class heli deck is about 22m long, Chinook is 30m long) But I understand where you're coming from. A flight deck thats 15-17m wide is pretty much the best size, almost any heli in naval service could land on that

Chinny can be landed in 25m deck space. 22.5 in a pinch. Fuse is only 15m long.

[Yukonastan]

Chinny can be landed in 25m deck space. 22.5 in a pinch. Fuse is only 15m long.

I guess you mean landed across the deck port-starboard? I've heard of that being considered but never attempted on a deck that small

I mean landed with the rear wheels or the nose wheels on the rear edge of the deck, leaving the cockpit or ramp extending past the stern of the ship. The applicable rotor also extends over the stern as a result.

[Yukonastan]

So uh. I didn't mean for my notBurke to literally be a Burke.

https://i.imgur.com/PBu5KiY.png

you drawing over the sb template, or did you accidentally the whole template?