Your Nations Warships, MKII

by **Vloskovia** » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:35 pm

I've decided to re-organise my navy, starting with my destroyers. Hence, here is the Ostvind class destroyer. It's my first shipbucket-style drawing so hopefully I've gotten the scale right (14px for each deck, correct?). Knowing me, I've probably left out something silly, so any suggestions you might have for improvements would be welcome.

Secondly, looking at my list of warships, do I have too many subs considering commerce raiding isn't really a thing in Vloskovia?

by **Vloskovia** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:35 pm

What would be a good AA armament for a 1920s carrier?

by **Vloskovia** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:28 pm

Crookfur wrote:
Vloskovia wrote:What would be a good AA armament for a 1920s carrier?

10-20 4-5" DP or AA guns.

For period falvour you could also add in some 6-8" guns ditching 2 of the AA/DP guns for each big gun (which could be of debatable DP use) you add.

automatic cannon would likely appear in a mid 30s refit.

In that case I'll go with a few 100mm guns. I've already got 8" guns incorporated into the design (4 in two turrets, 4 in casemates).

by **Vloskovia** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:37 pm

I've been trying to design an aircraft carrier, but I've run into an issue:
Where would the ammunition for these 100mm AA guns be kept? Will I need to make some sort of shell hoist system like that of a large turret or can I keep them on those supports?

by **Vloskovia** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:17 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:1) What year is this carrier for? Given the AA guns I'm assuming around WWII here.
2) Why are you giving it 100mm AA guns? Or the other guns that I can see on it? The AA guns at least would see some use against enemy aircraft attacking it.

It's from the late 1920s. The big guns are there because at the time, carrier tactics were very primitive. They would be removed in a later refit.

Spirit of Hope wrote:For the 5in guns of WWII the US used a hoist for ammo just bellow where the gun was mounted

The Akasha Colony wrote:You'll need a shell hoist somewhere. I doubt you could keep the guns going for any real length of time in battle with just ready lockers.

Thanks. I'll redesign it to accommodate those.

by **Vloskovia** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:21 am

Laywenrania wrote:Why would you remove 100mm AAguns? All ww2 carriers kept 100mm+ AAA iirc

I meant the casemate and turret mounted 8" guns, the "other guns" that Spirit was referring to. They'd have no use in later years but the AAA would stay.

New Oyashima wrote:Akagi is that you.

I did indeed base the design on Akagi

by **Vloskovia** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:18 pm

New Oyashima wrote:You'd be better off putting the stacks off to the side, like Kaga. Otherwise you'll just have a Houshou repeat where pilots keep crashing into them.

That's the idea. They'll eventually (post-refit) end up looking like the Japanese style downwards-pointing funnels seen on Shoukaku and Unryuu.

by **Vloskovia** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:54 am

I'm in the process of making a heavy cruiser (mid-40s refit) and I have some questions about the radar. In this image, would the mast create a blind spot for the radar? If so, what solution would you recommend? Should I move it to the top of the mast? Put another one on top? Or is it not significant enough to warrant any changes?

by **Vorkova** » Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:44 pm

How is this for a start?

by **Vorkova** » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:52 pm

Pharthan wrote:
Vorkova wrote:-snip-

I always get a little bit of an eye-twinge whenever I see someone post "unlimited" for a carrier. While, true, it means you can hit any spot on the world, people often mistake it for "we can keep this sucker out for years!" Which isn't at all true, not if you want it to be combat capable - though if you were merely trying to, I dunno, survive the zombie apocalypse, that'd be doable (You can do miraculous things to keep a nuclear reactor operating, but not to keep the entire ship fighting-fit using said reactor, as you're likely to run into snags).

I'd check your crew lists again, some of them seem a bit off. Compare them to real life ones, though they don't seem too bad.
I'm not sure how big your missiles are, some of the numbers seem a bit high for aircraft carriers/escort carriers and the like.

I recognise that although I've put down unlimited, the range of my nuclear ships is still limited by how many supplies they can carry. I based my crew lists off of ships of the equivalent class in the US Navy, with a bit of an increase for the addition of extra weapons. In regards to the size of my missiles, they are the same size as the US Navy's equivalent. Considering the Granit is two to three times the size of a Tomahawk, and the Kuznetsov (Which is smaller than my carrier) can carry twelve of them, I thought thirty two would be a reasonable number.

by **Vorkova** » Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:29 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Vorkova wrote:I recognise that although I've put down unlimited, the range of my nuclear ships is still limited by how many supplies they can carry. I based my crew lists off of ships of the equivalent class in the US Navy, with a bit of an increase for the addition of extra weapons. In regards to the size of my missiles, they are the same size as the US Navy's equivalent. Considering the Granit is two to three times the size of a Tomahawk, and the Kuznetsov (Which is smaller than my carrier) can carry twelve of them, I thought thirty two would be a reasonable number.

Putting heavy missiles on a supercarrier is a rather pointless idea. A supercarrier is designed to be a carrier first and foremost, unlike the older Kievs which were designed to be surface combatants as well. Deck space is always at a premium for carriers, since this is the space that the aircraft must be operated from. Even if you could fit more missiles on the deck, this would be at the expense of space for actual carrier operations, meaning that you would be impeding your theoretical maximum efficiency with aircraft by having them. Given that the entire role of a carrier is to operate aircraft, impeding its ability to do so is not an ideal trade off.

Also, these weapons would be rather useless. While a smaller, cheaper aircraft cruiser might be expected to operate alone, or perhaps with a very small escort flotilla and would be limited to shorter-ranged aircraft, a supercarrier should have a decent escort fleet capable of carrying all of these weapons on their own. It would also presumably be operating more capable aircraft with a longer range, in all likelihood outranging even these heavy missiles. If the enemy has approached close enough for your carrier to use these weapons, firstly it's in trouble (since that implies the enemy can probably fire back), and the escort screen should have more than enough firepower to retaliate anyway.

You've made some excellent points here.

I may remove the anti-ship missiles and increase the amount of aircraft on both carriers.

by **Vorkova** » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:51 pm

Dragomere wrote:
The Akasha Colony wrote:
Not true. The bursting charge on a 16" high-explosive is a whopping 70 kg. For an armor piercing round, it's only 18.5 kg. In comparison, a Tomahawk's warhead is 450 kg of high explosives, or a submunition dispenser which can cover an even wider area.

You forget energy factors in both mass and velocity.

On hit with a round could destroy an entire ship if almost any part of it is impacted. A missile would need to hit specific parts of a ship for a guaranteed one-hit-sink. Unless the missile is a 1000 pound bomb or a nuke, of course.

The Soviet Granit anti-ship missile has a 1,700 lb warhead on it. You can apparently fit nuclear warheads on it too.

by **Vorkova** » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:47 pm

Which of the Soviet/Russian anti-ship missiles should I use as my main?

I was looking at the P-700, but it's far too big to use in reasonable numbers. Is there anything the Russians had that's similar to a Harpoon?

by **Vorkova** » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:00 am

The Soviet Naval Force's submarines.

by **Vorkova** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:53 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:Question: Is it possible to build a spilt deck carrier?
if your having a hard time realizing my question here are a couple split deck carriers I built off Pimp My Gun.

This is the USS America http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/86/65/74346586/photos/undefined/USS%20America.jpg

And this is the USS Primus http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/86/65/74346586/photos/undefined/USS%20Primus.jpg

Why would you possibly need something like this?

by **Vorkova** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:03 am

European Prussia wrote:What about Nuclear Fusion reactors in naval vessels or submarines?

What tech are you?

by **Vorkova** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:54 am

Lubyak wrote:
Oppressed Slaver Union wrote:and why not, they seem to be big targets and carry the same amount of firepower as destroyers. So why build them?

Cruisers are definitely relevant, especially as an escort to a carrier group, or the core of a surface action group.

This is relevant to my interests. I was thinking about building a 42,000 ton nuclear-powered battleship class armed with an arsenal of missiles. The production run would consist of seven ships, which would act as heavy escorts for my carriers.

Thoughts?

by **Vorkova** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:23 am

Connori Pilgrims wrote:
Vorkova wrote:This is relevant to my interests. I was thinking about building a 42,000 ton nuclear-powered battleship class armed with an arsenal of missiles. The production run would consist of seven ships, which would act as heavy escorts for my carriers.

Thoughts?
Escorts are supposed to be relatively disposable... which a nuclear-powered 42,000 ton missile battleship would certainly not be.

Good point.

I need money to fund my air force's modernisation programme, so I can't exactly afford to lose such a large, expensive ship.

by **Vorkova** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:21 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Vorkova wrote:This is relevant to my interests. I was thinking about building a 42,000 ton nuclear-powered battleship class armed with an arsenal of missiles. The production run would consist of seven ships, which would act as heavy escorts for my carriers.

Thoughts?

If you really want a missile battleship don't make one that's larger than the Kirov. Just take a regular Kirov and throw out the steam turbines. You don't need a doubly redundant drive system and you will gain quite enough space for extra missiles and equipment. And with all the money you save in the process you can just field two and thus get more out of it than you would have with the original idea.

Sounds like a good idea. I am quite fond of the Kirov. In regards to their role I was thinking about forming several Surface Strike Groups around them, with one to each group?

by **Waldmania** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:54 pm

Dragomere wrote:Here is a list of my navy. Visit this link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=dragomere/detail=factbook/id=139879

No turret can fire 150 miles... and there is no such thing as a "radar-resistant coating" that's just a godmod. Also, FIVE FOOT THICK STEEL, that sounds pretty much impossible.

by **Waldriech** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:23 pm

Time of Neutrality-

Time of War-

by **Wallenburg** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:07 am

The CRS Engelson, belonging to the Federated Dominion of Castilia and leased out under the Treaty of Stevensburg to our nation, is the flagship of our "fleet". In reality, Castilia supplies all naval and air defense while we try to work out our economy.

by **Walosia** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:36 pm

Main destroyer

Main carrier

Main submarine

Main stealth vessel

by **Wardie land** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:11 pm

See me Home Fleet and diesel-electric submarine links for some ship classes we use, ill expand on other ships not on there, we have an extensive navy with many old and new ship classes serving within it, older warships like the Imperial-class battleship and Village-class cruiser are mainly based out in the colonies, whilst the more modern warships are based around the Home Islands

Battleships/Battlecruisers

Assault-class battleship

Imperial-class battleship

Atoll-class battleship

Colony-class battleship

Island-class battleship

Amphitrite-class battleship

Trident-class battleship

Ocean-class battleship

Poseidon-class battlecruiser

Orca-class battlecruiser

Zealous-class battlecruiser

Brave-class battlecruiser

Cruisers

Wildcat-class cruiser

Hamlet-class cruiser

City-class cruiser

Leopard-class cruiser

Skate-class cruiser

Frigates

Bronze-class frigate

Iron-class frigate

Steel-class frigate

Silver-class frigate

Gold-class frigate

Destroyers

Javelin-class destroyer (J-class destroyer)

Razor-class destroyer (R-class destroyer)

Shark-class destroyer (S-class destroyer)

Torpedo-class destroyer (T-class destroyer)

Ultra-class destroyer (U-class destroyer)

Victor-class destroyer (V-class destroyer)

Werewolf-class destroyer (W-class destroyer)

Seaplane carriers

Queen-class seaplane tender

Mother-class seaplane tender

Aircraft carriers

Tigershark-class aircraft carrier

Mako-class aircraft carrier

Dogfish-class aircraft carrier

Submarines

Stingray-class submarine

Manta-class submarine

Hammerhead-class submarine

Sawfish-class submarine

Motor Boats

Squid-class Motor Torpedo Boat

Cuttlefish-class Motor Boat

Stonefish-class Motor Boat

Viperfish-class Motor Boat

Sloops

Cygnet-class sloop

Mallard-class sloop

Pen-class sloop

by **We-a Are-a Very-a Close-a To Italia** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:35 pm

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