Your Nations Warships, MKII

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

you need smelting and strip mining ships that assist in gathering the ore needed

these are the untold stories of the USMC

the united states mining corps

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/World_Devastator

[Prosorusiya]

So once again I find myself musing over the state of my Navy, and the defending the coast of Dagestan. Recently, it has been brought to my attention that my country's GDP is extremely small, little more than some 18 billion dollars. Faced with the need to maintain a fairly large (7 Regiments strong, and mostly conscript) Army, and a small but capable Air Force, I have been pondering over making cuts to my Nation's Navy. I face limited threats, mainly from Russia, Turkmenistan, and Iran. On the other hand, I have limited points of interest to defend, with Machakala as my only civil port, and Kaspiysk as the Coast Guard & Navy's base. All other shipping is local fisher boats in the south, that i think the CG can probably protect. So the Navy as I see it would be mainly trying to defend the port and it's shipping. Fo that reason, I am considering cutting the Tarantul class corvette and two Sonya class minesweepers I currently operate, and brining my three Matka class missile boats back in commission. I might also have some inshore minesweepers too. My thought is that, given the Russians being my most likely threat, smaller ships with smaller crews would be more easily maintained and deployed, and that only the port of Machakala need be defended by the navy. Thought on this?

[The Soodean Imperium]

So once again I find myself musing over the state of my Navy, and the defending the coast of Dagestan. Recently, it has been brought to my attention that my country's GDP is extremely small, little more than some 18 billion dollars. Faced with the need to maintain a fairly large (7 Regiments strong, and mostly conscript) Army, and a small but capable Air Force, I have been pondering over making cuts to my Nation's Navy. I face limited threats, mainly from Russia, Turkmenistan, and Iran. On the other hand, I have limited points of interest to defend, with Machakala as my only civil port, and Kaspiysk as the Coast Guard & Navy's base. All other shipping is local fisher boats in the south, that i think the CG can probably protect. So the Navy as I see it would be mainly trying to defend the port and it's shipping. Fo that reason, I am considering cutting the Tarantul class corvette and two Sonya class minesweepers I currently operate, and brining my three Matka class missile boats back in commission. I might also have some inshore minesweepers too. My thought is that, given the Russians being my most likely threat, smaller ships with smaller crews would be more easily maintained and deployed, and that only the port of Machakala need be defended by the navy. Thought on this?

Matka-class missile boats may not be the best option. They have only a 25% smaller crew than the Tarantuls, but carry half the missile armament (though the missiles are P-15s so it doesn't really make a difference in 2016). The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy interprets their limited production run and lack of export as evidence that they were less reliable than other missile boats and missile corvettes in Soviet service but IDK if any Russian sources specifically refer to maintenance problems.

[The IASM]

Who is going to set up the next thread?

[The Soodean Imperium]

Who is going to set up the next thread?

Somebody reputable should, I'd do it myself if nobody steps forward but all I do is make unoriginal ship art



and unoriginal wiki articles to match them

[Auroya]

I'd nominate either Soode personally

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

I nominate Soode

[The Akasha Colony]

Who is going to set up the next thread?

Somebody reputable should, I'd do it myself if nobody steps forward but all I do is make unoriginal ship art



and unoriginal wiki articles to match them

Do eet.

[Prosorusiya]

So once again I find myself musing over the state of my Navy, and the defending the coast of Dagestan. Recently, it has been brought to my attention that my country's GDP is extremely small, little more than some 18 billion dollars. Faced with the need to maintain a fairly large (7 Regiments strong, and mostly conscript) Army, and a small but capable Air Force, I have been pondering over making cuts to my Nation's Navy. I face limited threats, mainly from Russia, Turkmenistan, and Iran. On the other hand, I have limited points of interest to defend, with Machakala as my only civil port, and Kaspiysk as the Coast Guard & Navy's base. All other shipping is local fisher boats in the south, that i think the CG can probably protect. So the Navy as I see it would be mainly trying to defend the port and it's shipping. Fo that reason, I am considering cutting the Tarantul class corvette and two Sonya class minesweepers I currently operate, and brining my three Matka class missile boats back in commission. I might also have some inshore minesweepers too. My thought is that, given the Russians being my most likely threat, smaller ships with smaller crews would be more easily maintained and deployed, and that only the port of Machakala need be defended by the navy. Thought on this?

Matka-class missile boats may not be the best option. They have only a 25% smaller crew than the Tarantuls, but carry half the missile armament (though the missiles are P-15s so it doesn't really make a difference in 2016). The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy interprets their limited production run and lack of export as evidence that they were less reliable than other missile boats and missile corvettes in Soviet service but IDK if any Russian sources specifically refer to maintenance problems.

From what I understand, the Matka has a top weight problem, more than a maintenance one, hence why most were relegated to the Caspian. Also, I think they were pretty quickly superseded by the Tarantula, as the Matka was basically an extreme upgrade of the old Osa class (they use the same machinery) rather than a larger, more seaworthy vessel. I'm thinking of carrying out the modification which gives them 8 Kh-35 launch tubes (seen on armament test vessel R-44 IRL).

I am thinking of savings in terms of being able to maintain the vessels: since they are smaller, I presume they would be easier to service with limited dry-docking facilities? Also, what does the book that you mentioned have to say about the Turya-class? They are close sisters to the Matias, and also served in the Caspian. Were their torpedo tubes useful for surface attacks as well as ASW?

Alos, do you think an inshore minesweeper would be more useful than the larger standard minesweepers to me?

[Velkanika]

Soode, you've been drafted. Go make an OP.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Matka-class missile boats may not be the best option. They have only a 25% smaller crew than the Tarantuls, but carry half the missile armament (though the missiles are P-15s so it doesn't really make a difference in 2016). The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy interprets their limited production run and lack of export as evidence that they were less reliable than other missile boats and missile corvettes in Soviet service but IDK if any Russian sources specifically refer to maintenance problems.

From what I understand, the Matka has a top weight problem, more than a maintenance one, hence why most were relegated to the Caspian. Also, I think they were pretty quickly superseded by the Tarantula, as the Matka was basically an extreme upgrade of the old Osa class (they use the same machinery) rather than a larger, more seaworthy vessel. I'm thinking of carrying out the modification which gives them 8 Kh-35 launch tubes (seen on armament test vessel R-44 IRL).

I am thinking of savings in terms of being able to maintain the vessels: since they are smaller, I presume they would be easier to service with limited dry-docking facilities? Also, what does the book that you mentioned have to say about the Turya-class? They are close sisters to the Matias, and also served in the Caspian. Were their torpedo tubes useful for surface attacks as well as ASW?

Alos, do you think an inshore minesweeper would be more useful than the larger standard minesweepers to me?

Project 12418 (Tarantul with Kh-35) would be a major improvement over the old Tarantul-I or -II, as you get more capable AShMs and more of them. They present a bit of a catch-22 though, because to get that conversion you'd presumably need stable relations with Russia, but if you have stable relations with Russia you may not need that many AShMs in the first place.

In theory the Turya class could use their torpedoes to engage surface warships, but at that point you're looking at an anti-surface capability even worse than P-15. The Soviet Union never developed a successor class for them, and as far as I can tell nearly all export buyers of Turyas and Shershens have scrapped their fleets. Sonya is already a coastal minesweeper, and the most modern Soviet coastal minesweeper in production when the USSR fell apart.

Given the budget and security situation you've described, this navy will probably spend most of its time doing coastal and harbor patrols anyway, and won't last long in a Caspian shooting war anyway because Buyan-M is the crowning achievement of a navy that sold its soul to the dark god of missile corvettes. Cozy up to Russia a tad and any ex-Soviet light craft with autocannons will do OK.

Do eet.

If nobody else does it by tomorrow morning I might edit: will go ahead and open Your Nation's Warships MKIII

Any OP is better than the current one.

[Prosorusiya]

Ok. I will probably pick up some kind of light minesweeper smaller than the Sonya (probably Yevgeny or similar). My proposed fleet would look something like this:

3x Matka class PGMs
3x AB-25 class PGS (Coast Guard)
1x Project 1400M\Zhuk class PG (Coast Guard, harbor patrol)
1x Yevgeny class Minesweeper

I think my regions version of Ukraine has the Kh-35, so I might be able to convert my Matka class over to use them. Dry dock situation doesn't seem to be quite as bad as I imagined, satellite imagery shows one in Kaspiysk (my fleet base) that's probably big enough to fit a Tarantula (it's hard to tell though, just by eyeballing it), and there is a dry dock in Machakala that should fit a Matka at least. I am hoping to have a navy a bit like the Gergian one pre-2008, only done right.

[Triplebaconation]

Do eet.

If nobody else does it by tomorrow morning I might edit: will go ahead and open Your Nation's Warships MKIII

Any OP is better than the current one.

I did it days ago. I didn't count on everyone wandering away in confusion after the 3-D printing discussion.

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[Rich and Corporations]

should spaceships really be allowed?

they aren't ships anymore than landships...

[Pharthan]

should spaceships really be allowed?

they aren't ships anymore than landships...

They are definitely more ships than landships.
Water and spaceborne, your ship breaks down, you die.
Landships, your "ship" breaks down, omg o no u gotta get out and walk.

Also cannot use google maps to navigate for spaceship and watership.

Also they actually make sense, unlike landships.

[Allanea]

Why would I die if my ship's engine breakds down? I mean unless it's sinking I'll just call for help or boat back to shore like Alain Bombarde.

[The Selkie]

Why would I die if my ship's engine breakds down? I mean unless it's sinking I'll just call for help or boat back to shore like Alain Bombarde.

In space? Eh... depending on which SciFi-pattern you follow, engine failure can end with you drifting for a while or loosing power or a few other unpleasant things - things you want to avoid, I guess.
On the sea... it might end badly, if you sit in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on your nutshell or if you are close to/in a dangerous sea area.

[Allanea]

Why would I die if my ship's engine breakds down? I mean unless it's sinking I'll just call for help or boat back to shore like Alain Bombarde.

In space? Eh... depending on which SciFi-pattern you follow, engine failure can end with you drifting for a while or loosing power or a few other unpleasant things - things you want to avoid, I guess.
On the sea... it might end badly, if you sit in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on your nutshell or if you are close to/in a dangerous sea area.

Yeah I was talking about the seas, quite obviously.

You may want to read about those two guys:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Bombard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannes_Lindemann

[Taviana SSR]

For a brown-water navy (baltics), would Nanuchkas, Osas or Tarantuls be better? Diesel SSKs are also good for shallow water, aren't they?

[New Chilokver]

Why would I die if my ship's engine breakds down? I mean unless it's sinking I'll just call for help or boat back to shore like Alain Bombarde.

Essentially, your ship is not only your weaponry and means of transportation, it's also the only thing keeping you alive from the elements, whether that be hypothermia and drowning or asphyxiation in a vacuum.

[Allanea]

Why would I die if my ship's engine breakds down? I mean unless it's sinking I'll just call for help or boat back to shore like Alain Bombarde.

Essentially, your ship is not only your weaponry and means of transportation, it's also the only thing keeping you alive from the elements, whether that be hypothermia and drowning or asphyxiation in a vacuum.

Obviously your ship outright sinking is a bad thing and you could die if it did. (Although that's far from guaranteed, in modern shipwrecks most victims tend to survive, unless it's a submarine).

But that's not what I asked about. I was talking about the specific issue about the engine of a surface ship breaking down.

[Pharthan]

Essentially, your ship is not only your weaponry and means of transportation, it's also the only thing keeping you alive from the elements, whether that be hypothermia and drowning or asphyxiation in a vacuum.

Obviously your ship outright sinking is a bad thing and you could die if it did. (Although that's far from guaranteed, in modern shipwrecks most victims tend to survive, unless it's a submarine).

But that's not what I asked about. I was talking about the specific issue about the engine of a surface ship breaking down.

Power and water. Ability to cook food. Ability to get more food (propulsion). As previously stated, your boat breaks down, you either need a smaller boat or you could die if no one rescues you. You don't need a lifeboat on a landship. A landship is just a large tank. There is no such thing as a spacetank.
Your spaceship breaks down and you have to worry about either freezing or overheating depending on design. A ship breaks down and you'll rapidly find out how hot it gets inside a steel coffin.

[Rich and Corporations]

great news everyone, a submarine company sprung a leak

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 1472027129

[Allanea]

great news everyone, a submarine company sprung a leak

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 1472027129

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[Rich and Corporations]

great news everyone, a submarine company sprung a leak

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 1472027129

Subscriber-only article.

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they apparently whitelist some referers.