Your Nations Warships, MKII

[The Soodean Imperium]

Not too shabby, actually, though the cabin looks a tad big for Shipbucket scale and the angling on the torpedo doesn't quite do it justice.

Well, 'tis my third ship bucket thingy, so it is good to know I have not peaked too early.

My further questions would be (1) those SAMs are just heat-seeking MANPADS, right? and (2) any reason the torpedo is exposed rather than inside a tube/container of some kind?

1) Maritime/ground commonality seems to be a good idea (RE: CAMM and RB's Aster 30 lorries), so I figured the French use of mistral ManPADS on ships couldn't hurt, if transliterated into Kourian stuff. In other words... Yes.
2) It was just that way in the image I used to draw it from.
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1) Good. I was just making sure this wasn't another case of "added radar-guided SAMs, didn't add radar guidance," which seems to plague :NS: patrol boats.
2) Odd... but not unprecedented. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd speculate it's meant to be dropped over the side for ASW.

[Kouralia]

2) Odd... but not unprecedented. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd speculate it's meant to be dropped over the side for ASW.

How would that work, like a depth charge?

[The Soodean Imperium]

2) Odd... but not unprecedented. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd speculate it's meant to be dropped over the side for ASW.

How would that work, like a depth charge?

Active or passive sonar homing equipment in the nose, to steer it towards the submarine as it moves forward - same as the terminal stage of ASROC and its many Soviet counterparts.

[Kouralia]

How would that work, like a depth charge?

Active or passive sonar homing equipment in the nose, to steer it towards the submarine as it moves forward - same as the terminal stage of ASROC and its many Soviet counterparts.

orite.

Shitty!WriteUp is Shitty.

[New Roma Republic]

Gual Class Submarine


Antony Class Aircraft Carrier


Pompeii Class Amphibious Transport Dock


Castra Class Guided Missile Cruisers


Menodorus Class Destroyers


Germania Class Frigate

[Kassaran]

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It's shit, but it's a start. Go ahead and start rolling in on it and I'll defend it best I can whilst trying to change various features on it to suit my purposes. my nation is currently in a massive Civil War, a war in which most of the navy will be wiped out and it will be left to the winners (whom I've already decided) to rearm and rebuild. I plan to have a very small, but decisively stealthy and mobile navy. Also I'm going to be phasing out my carriers and most of my manned offensive aircraft in favor of extended range Cruise-missiles and the likes (my region fights battles in the ranges of ten to twenty-thousand kilometers on average making flight somewhat tiresome and a strain on valuable personnel that could otherwise be doing things like cleaning the Admiral's cabins and such -just kidding-) This here is going to be one of the mainstays for my fleet, LMC's becoming the main force-application and force-projection vehicle possible and while I recognize this one's missiles are too small to actually reach those distances, it would be moreover a patrol vessel and such for the Home Isles Coastal Guard Corps while larger vessels like the redone-Zealot class Missile Frigate, significantly smaller, but more optimized for combat in the high seas, would become the mainstay assault and support vessel for larger UAVCs (Unmanned Air Vehicle Carriers) and basic support craft for the rather titanic Kassaran Corporate Federation Maritime Deployment Corps (the Marines). Essentially, a rewrite of my nation's navy will retcon almost all but five vessels which will have a part to play in the the final battle wand will likewise be saved as a floating memorial to the Great Islic War.

A marked improvement over what I recall your navy used to be; it will still, however, need a few adjustments before it's there.

The first mistake is the most common in those new to realistic shipbuilding, and that's to put weapons wherever it looks like there's room for them. Yet there's way more inside a ship than just weapons - you'll need room for the engines, command/control, sonar compartments, crew living spaces, et cetera. Given that you're PMT (I think), you can probably claim to have reduced the size of a few of these, but at a minimum you'll need to halve the number of VLS cells.

You'll also want to remove the underwater torpedo tubes (if that's what you marked on the bottom image). New NSers often seem to have a misconception that torpedoes must always be fired from bow tubes like on a submarine, or worse still in a broadside configuration, but these layouts will consume valuable space, create drag, and serve as structural weaknesses if a torpedo detonates on or near the ship. If you need torpedoes, mount them in above-deck launchers like this.

As far as the SAMs go, "65mm" is extremely small - indeed, that's slightly smaller in diameter than the shoulder-launched "Stinger." This could be used for point-defense, as many of the patrol craft I'm familiar with commonly feature dual or quadruple MANPADS missiles on mounts like these, but depending on how much you handwave with "it's PMT so it works," you're looking at maybe half a dozen kilometers in range and a rather complex conversion to be VLS-capable.

I'll leave it at that for now rather than getting into the actual doctrine, as combat at ranges of 10-20,000 kilometers will create their own monumental problems for target detection, target identification, and missile course-correction.

Well, there are only two sets of the VLS tubes, they run along the edges of the hull, along the outboard. Also, noted, would 105mm be better? As for Torpedoes, could I mount them along the side above-water?

[Versail]

Can anyone point me towards a fairly cheap design for an aircraft/helicopter carrier?

[Vancon]

Can anyone point me towards a fairly cheap design for an aircraft/helicopter carrier?

Cheep and Aircraft carrier are two different things.

HOWEVER

You could always attach a ton of barges, put plywood on top, weld 'em together and tow them with a tugboat.
Would work for both requests

[EsToVnIa]

Can anyone point me towards a fairly cheap design for an aircraft/helicopter carrier?

Cheep and Aircraft carrier are two different things.

HOWEVER

You could always attach a ton of barges, put plywood on top, weld 'em together and tow them with a tugboat.
Would work for both requests

This is probably the dumbest post I've seen so far today.

Can anyone point me towards a fairly cheap design for an aircraft/helicopter carrier?

It depends largely on your budget. Most European carriers are fairly cheap. compared to the American supercarriers.

[Versail]

Can anyone point me towards a fairly cheap design for an aircraft/helicopter carrier?

Cheep and Aircraft carrier are two different things.

HOWEVER

You could always attach a ton of barges, put plywood on top, weld 'em together and tow them with a tugboat.
Would work for both requests

When I said cheap I meant not cheap but not something that will break the bank.

[Vancon]

Cheep and Aircraft carrier are two different things.

HOWEVER

You could always attach a ton of barges, put plywood on top, weld 'em together and tow them with a tugboat.
Would work for both requests

This is probably the dumbest post I've seen so far today.

Can anyone point me towards a fairly cheap design for an aircraft/helicopter carrier?

It depends largely on your budget. Most European carriers are fairly cheap. compared to the American supercarriers.

How rude. More importantly, I see it as a cheep alternative that lets you transport and launch both Aircraft and helicopters, while suffering from a lot of things.

[Padnak]

Can anyone point me towards a fairly cheap design for an aircraft/helicopter carrier?

Cheep and Aircraft carrier are two different things.

HOWEVER

You could always attach a ton of barges, put plywood on top, weld 'em together and tow them with a tugboat.
Would work for both requests

if you're on a small lake and you need to land your AN-2 this could work

[Automagfreek]

The pinnacle of Freekish naval engineering, the 'Dreadfire' class Super dreadnought.

Picture

Name: Dreadfire Class
Type: Command Battleship (Super Dreadnought)

Dimensions: 1300M L x 275M W
Displacement (Fully Loaded): 4,250,000 Tons
Powerplants: 15 Pebblebed Nuclear reactors, total output of 4-5 GW
Propulsion Arrangement: 12 Heavy Waterjets. Bow thrusters and Azipod maneuvering thrusters for docking
Speed: 24 kts (cruising), 29kts (conventional top speed), 32kts (flat out short range sprint)
Endurance: Limited to Nuclear Reactor life, ~15 years. Up to 12 months of stores can be carried

Crew Complement
-Standard: 29,500 (including air group)
-Minimum: 10,250
Marines
-Standard: Space for 8,000 (14,000 in an emergency)

Cargo Capacity
-General Cargo: 35,000 Tons (Dry)
-Troop Equipment: Smalls arms, light vehicles, artillery, attack and cargo helicopters, and STOVL aircraft

Onboard Craft
Boats: Rear well deck for boats, LAV's, LCs and LCACs. Can accommodate up to 20 LCACs in a 4 x 5 arrangement. Fully enclosed when rear ramp is shut

Aviation: One flight deck for helicopter and STOVL takeoff and landing. Two elevators to a two deck hangar, can support ~75 planes and helicopters

Radar:
LR air/surface search (phased array)
SR air/surface
OTH
LADAR (LOS only)

Fire Control:
Fleet Command System
Integrated ship weapons system
Missile control
Gunnery control
Host arrays for multi-link combat systems (such as AEGIS, Freekish Cryocom)

Electronics Warfare:
ECM/ECCM
ATIRCM (Advanced Threat Infrared Countermeasures)
Towed Decoy
EW drones; UAV, UUV

Sonar:
Bow and stern mounted array

Weaponry
-Artillery:
7 main turrets: Triple mounted 30" railguns or 30" ETC conventional cannons
4x 20" railguns
38 x 16" railguns
12x 10" railguns
108x 5" railguns

-Ranged Missiles:
There are 550 armored hatches, each covering 10 next generation vertical launch tubes. These tubes can be reloaded and up to 5 reloads can be carried for each launcher. Total reserve missile carrying capacity is 27,500 AShMs, cruise missiles or similar.

4x launch platforms for ICBM class hypersonic missiles. 60 missile capacity.

-Self-Defence
10 x 6-barrel 30mm CIWS Units
108x Skyscrape extremely long range anti-air missile batteries
488x RAM mounts

-Underwater Warfare
6 x Twin ML 650 mm/12.75 inch MR Torpedo Tubes
20 x ASHUM-style UWSC guns

Armour Type: Second generation ‘Sentinel’ scheme, combining the original Titanium VA/Ballistic Composite layers and lateral TVA rods, also now includes Ablative paneling and reinforced trimodal aluminum plating around sensitive areas. The ship is also outfitted with additional shock absorbers and anti-shatter brackets placed along the frame.

Passive Protection Features:
-Double bottomed hull
-Reinforced, displaced keel
-Extensive firefighting and NBC equipment and filters
-Pressure release systems to reduce missile damage
-Multiple vertical bulkheads
-Ultra-modern damage detection and reporting equipment
-Heavy anti-flooding pumps
-Reserve radar and communication arrays
-Hardened against EMP attack

[Kouralia]

The pinnacle of Freekish naval engineering, the 'Dreadfire' class Super dreadnought.

Picture

Name: Dreadfire Class
Type: Command Battleship (Super Dreadnought)

Dimensions: 1300M L x 275M W
Displacement (Fully Loaded): 4,250,000 Tons
Powerplants: 15 Pebblebed Nuclear reactors, total output of 4-5 GW
Propulsion Arrangement: 12 Heavy Waterjets. Bow thrusters and Azipod maneuvering thrusters for docking
Speed: 24 kts (cruising), 29kts (conventional top speed), 32kts (flat out short range sprint)
Endurance: Limited to Nuclear Reactor life, ~15 years. Up to 12 months of stores can be carried

Crew Complement
-Standard: 29,500 (including air group)
-Minimum: 10,250
Marines
-Standard: Space for 8,000 (14,000 in an emergency)

Cargo Capacity
-General Cargo: 35,000 Tons (Dry)
-Troop Equipment: Smalls arms, light vehicles, artillery, attack and cargo helicopters, and STOVL aircraft

Onboard Craft
Boats: Rear well deck for boats, LAV's, LCs and LCACs. Can accommodate up to 20 LCACs in a 4 x 5 arrangement. Fully enclosed when rear ramp is shut

Aviation: One flight deck for helicopter and STOVL takeoff and landing. Two elevators to a two deck hangar, can support ~75 planes and helicopters

Radar:
LR air/surface search (phased array)
SR air/surface
OTH
LADAR (LOS only)

Fire Control:
Fleet Command System
Integrated ship weapons system
Missile control
Gunnery control
Host arrays for multi-link combat systems (such as AEGIS, Freekish Cryocom)

Electronics Warfare:
ECM/ECCM
ATIRCM (Advanced Threat Infrared Countermeasures)
Towed Decoy
EW drones; UAV, UUV

Sonar:
Bow and stern mounted array

Weaponry
-Artillery:
7 main turrets: Triple mounted 30" railguns or 30" ETC conventional cannons
4x 20" railguns
38 x 16" railguns
12x 10" railguns
108x 5" railguns

-Ranged Missiles:
There are 550 armored hatches, each covering 10 next generation vertical launch tubes. These tubes can be reloaded and up to 5 reloads can be carried for each launcher. Total reserve missile carrying capacity is 27,500 AShMs, cruise missiles or similar.

4x launch platforms for ICBM class hypersonic missiles. 60 missile capacity.

-Self-Defence
10 x 6-barrel 30mm CIWS Units
108x Skyscrape extremely long range anti-air missile batteries
488x RAM mounts

-Underwater Warfare
6 x Twin ML 650 mm/12.75 inch MR Torpedo Tubes
20 x ASHUM-style UWSC guns

Armour Type: Second generation ‘Sentinel’ scheme, combining the original Titanium VA/Ballistic Composite layers and lateral TVA rods, also now includes Ablative paneling and reinforced trimodal aluminum plating around sensitive areas. The ship is also outfitted with additional shock absorbers and anti-shatter brackets placed along the frame.

Passive Protection Features:
-Double bottomed hull
-Reinforced, displaced keel
-Extensive firefighting and NBC equipment and filters
-Pressure release systems to reduce missile damage
-Multiple vertical bulkheads
-Ultra-modern damage detection and reporting equipment
-Heavy anti-flooding pumps
-Reserve radar and communication arrays
-Hardened against EMP attack

Seems pretty easy to fuck up.

[Automagfreek]

Seems pretty easy to fuck up.

You must have missed the massive amount of anti-air and underwater defenses it has....

[Spirit of Hope]

The pinnacle of Freekish naval engineering, the 'Dreadfire' class Super dreadnought.

Picture

Name: Dreadfire Class
Type: Command Battleship (Super Dreadnought)

Dimensions: 1300M L x 275M W
Displacement (Fully Loaded): 4,250,000 Tons
Powerplants: 15 Pebblebed Nuclear reactors, total output of 4-5 GW
Propulsion Arrangement: 12 Heavy Waterjets. Bow thrusters and Azipod maneuvering thrusters for docking
Speed: 24 kts (cruising), 29kts (conventional top speed), 32kts (flat out short range sprint)
Endurance: Limited to Nuclear Reactor life, ~15 years. Up to 12 months of stores can be carried

Crew Complement
-Standard: 29,500 (including air group)
-Minimum: 10,250
Marines
-Standard: Space for 8,000 (14,000 in an emergency)

Cargo Capacity
-General Cargo: 35,000 Tons (Dry)
-Troop Equipment: Smalls arms, light vehicles, artillery, attack and cargo helicopters, and STOVL aircraft

Onboard Craft
Boats: Rear well deck for boats, LAV's, LCs and LCACs. Can accommodate up to 20 LCACs in a 4 x 5 arrangement. Fully enclosed when rear ramp is shut

Aviation: One flight deck for helicopter and STOVL takeoff and landing. Two elevators to a two deck hangar, can support ~75 planes and helicopters

Radar:
LR air/surface search (phased array)
SR air/surface
OTH
LADAR (LOS only)

Fire Control:
Fleet Command System
Integrated ship weapons system
Missile control
Gunnery control
Host arrays for multi-link combat systems (such as AEGIS, Freekish Cryocom)

Electronics Warfare:
ECM/ECCM
ATIRCM (Advanced Threat Infrared Countermeasures)
Towed Decoy
EW drones; UAV, UUV

Sonar:
Bow and stern mounted array

Weaponry
-Artillery:
7 main turrets: Triple mounted 30" railguns or 30" ETC conventional cannons
4x 20" railguns
38 x 16" railguns
12x 10" railguns
108x 5" railguns

-Ranged Missiles:
There are 550 armored hatches, each covering 10 next generation vertical launch tubes. These tubes can be reloaded and up to 5 reloads can be carried for each launcher. Total reserve missile carrying capacity is 27,500 AShMs, cruise missiles or similar.

4x launch platforms for ICBM class hypersonic missiles. 60 missile capacity.

-Self-Defence
10 x 6-barrel 30mm CIWS Units
108x Skyscrape extremely long range anti-air missile batteries
488x RAM mounts

-Underwater Warfare
6 x Twin ML 650 mm/12.75 inch MR Torpedo Tubes
20 x ASHUM-style UWSC guns

Armour Type: Second generation ‘Sentinel’ scheme, combining the original Titanium VA/Ballistic Composite layers and lateral TVA rods, also now includes Ablative paneling and reinforced trimodal aluminum plating around sensitive areas. The ship is also outfitted with additional shock absorbers and anti-shatter brackets placed along the frame.

Passive Protection Features:
-Double bottomed hull
-Reinforced, displaced keel
-Extensive firefighting and NBC equipment and filters
-Pressure release systems to reduce missile damage
-Multiple vertical bulkheads
-Ultra-modern damage detection and reporting equipment
-Heavy anti-flooding pumps
-Reserve radar and communication arrays
-Hardened against EMP attack

First I hope you realize this is not MT this is at least PMT.
Secondly adding more CIWS and RAM does not actually dramatically increase your survivability.
Third guns (even rail guns) are dramatically out paced by missile tech.
Forth armor won't save the actually useful bits of the warship, nor will they stop a torpedo from breaking your keel.
Fifth planes exist and will happily contribute to its demise because they can launch missiles from outside most of its defenses. The mother ship is certainly still safe.
Sixth this thing is going to be hideously expensive.

[Automagfreek]

First I hope you realize this is not MT this is at least PMT.
Secondly adding more CIWS and RAM does not actually dramatically increase your survivability.
Third guns (even rail guns) are dramatically out paced by missile tech.
Forth armor won't save the actually useful bits of the warship, nor will they stop a torpedo from breaking your keel.
Fifth planes exist and will happily contribute to its demise because they can launch missiles from outside most of its defenses. The mother ship is certainly still safe.
Sixth this thing is going to be hideously expensive.

You haven't said anything I don't already know. And this ship never travels alone, there are at least 2-3 carrier groups that accompany it, as its primary role is shore bombardment in support of amphibious landings.

[Vancon]

First I hope you realize this is not MT this is at least PMT.
Secondly adding more CIWS and RAM does not actually dramatically increase your survivability.
Third guns (even rail guns) are dramatically out paced by missile tech.
Forth armor won't save the actually useful bits of the warship, nor will they stop a torpedo from breaking your keel.
Fifth planes exist and will happily contribute to its demise because they can launch missiles from outside most of its defenses. The mother ship is certainly still safe.
Sixth this thing is going to be hideously expensive.

You haven't said anything I don't already know. And this ship never travels alone, there are at least 2-3 carrier groups that accompany it, as its primary role is shore bombardment in support of amphibious landings.

So we can shoot it with Tanks?
Suggestion: Go to the mil realism and look back 50 pages or so. A large discussion was held over battleships, with an outcome of battleships can't compete with missiles of all forms.

[Automagfreek]

So we can shoot it with Tanks?
Suggestion: Go to the mil realism and look back 50 pages or so. A large discussion was held over battleships, with an outcome of battleships can't compete with missiles of all forms.

Uh, I've been here for over 11 years, and have been a member of the NS Draftroom think tank for many years, so I think I know a thing or two about military hardware and their applications. You're not telling me anything I don't already know about missiles versus guns, but if you can't seem to think of a purpose for a ship of this nature, I invite you to try a war with me. I don't think anyone actually read the stats I posted. This ship has almost 600 air defense missile launchers, and 550 VLS tubes for firing cruise missiles and the like for attacking ground targets over the horizon, so it doesn't just rely on guns.

And please, tell me what tank can shoot over 40-60 miles.

[EsToVnIa]

This is probably the dumbest post I've seen so far today.



It depends largely on your budget. Most European carriers are fairly cheap. compared to the American supercarriers.

How rude. More importantly, I see it as a cheep alternative that lets you transport and launch both Aircraft and helicopters, while suffering from a lot of things.

What's "cheep?" Do you mean "cheap?"

[Vancon]

So we can shoot it with Tanks?
Suggestion: Go to the mil realism and look back 50 pages or so. A large discussion was held over battleships, with an outcome of battleships can't compete with missiles of all forms.

Uh, I've been here for over 11 years, and have been a member of the NS Draftroom think tank for many years, so I think I know a thing or two about military hardware and their applications. You're not telling me anything I don't already know about missiles versus guns, but if you can't seem to think of a purpose for a ship of this nature, I invite you to try a war with me. I don't think anyone actually read the stats I posted. This ship has almost 600 air defense missile launchers, and 550 VLS tubes for firing cruise missiles and the like for attacking ground targets over the horizon, so it doesn't just rely on guns.

And please, tell me what tank can shoot over 40-60 miles.

Tanks with missiles. Anything with missiles. Lots of missile. Or just two or three of these: DF-21. Chinese Anti-Aircraft Carrier missile

[Automagfreek]

Tanks with missiles. Anything with missiles. Lots of missile. Or just two or three of these: DF-21. Chinese Anti-Aircraft Carrier missile

Again, this ship doesn't travel alone, and it's literally surrounded by carrier groups on top of its own escorts. I mean, feel free to concentrate solely on the SD, while the 2,000-3,000 other warships and their associated aircraft wings intercept or jam your missiles and then turn your defenses into ruin.

[Versail]

Tanks with missiles. Anything with missiles. Lots of missile. Or just two or three of these: DF-21. Chinese Anti-Aircraft Carrier missile

Again, this ship doesn't travel alone, and it's literally surrounded by carrier groups on top of its own escorts. I mean, feel free to concentrate solely on the SD, while the 2,000-3,000 other warships and their associated aircraft wings intercept or jam your missiles and then turn your defenses into ruin.

Uhh big navy ya got there.

[Automagfreek]

Uhh big navy ya got there.

It's bigger than that. And nations like Praetonia operate upwards of 12,000 ships, so for those of us that have been around a long time it's not unusual to have large armed forces.

[Vancon]

Tanks with missiles. Anything with missiles. Lots of missile. Or just two or three of these: DF-21. Chinese Anti-Aircraft Carrier missile

Again, this ship doesn't travel alone, and it's literally surrounded by carrier groups on top of its own escorts. I mean, feel free to concentrate solely on the SD, while the 2,000-3,000 other warships and their associated aircraft wings intercept or jam your missiles and then turn your defenses into ruin.

I'm just curious, do you understand what this missile does? It's like a land based rod from god. It gets into the upper atmosphere, turns and goes straight down. The sheer mass of the thing then falls at supersonic speeds and lands on it's target. Even if you "shoot it down" the sheer volume of mass being distributed completely wrecks whatever it hits.

Other ships: Yes, and that just means that we'd need more missiles. And so there would be.