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Who should be the OP of the next Main Military Weapons thread

Aqizithiuda
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Corda
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Kouralia
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Puzikas
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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:22 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:Shells and missiles filled with noxious gas. (Only used when the area affected is evacuated of all civilians)


*mingles troops with unarmed slaves and attacks*

*ensures all vital areas have high concentrations of slave women and children*

And that is why you need a better MMW.

That's my main weapon, I also have plenty of conventional weapons, you know....

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Postby Spreewerke » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:22 pm

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Eastern Slavia wrote:Upgrade program for 2016, Volk assault rifles accessories actually enter production.(though still only issued to VV units on a wide scale)

An improved design of the under barrel 23mm shotgun is included(still a WIP, can't decide what trigger to use), along with a combination vertical grip/tactical light - its shape was copied from the Hungarian AMD series. A flash supressor/sound modulator is supplied for night fighting, completely elimination visible flash and distorting the report, making gunfire nearly impossible to pinpoint at ranges of 300m or greater. it is suitable for long instances of prolonged contact and was designed to be easily cleaned and repaired.
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Need an optical sight for close fighting that isn't large, since we don't really make electronic sights and mostly use older Soviet designed glass optics. it still uses the old GP-25 since there wasn't a reason to change it.



Have you looked at the AimPoint PRO or similar?

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EDIT FAKE OF: Also had an idea. Assuming I ever get another AK (probably an SGL 31-94 if I'm lucky, SGL 21 or maybe a standard SGL 31 if not), I have been giving thought into camouflage. Was thinking of degreasing/oiling the metal and applying some acrylic paint via broad-brush (I believe we called it "dry painting" when little paint was used in my painting class many, many years ago). It would go on pretty smooth, and would probably stick pretty well: when it's thin coats that can dry fast and easy, acrylic kicks ass.

Then, if it sucks the penis, rubbing alcohol basically dissolves said paint, so it would be totally removable without destroying the rifle's finish (nor the furniture). Win/win? Anything I'm looking over besides the fact acrylic would probably chip off easy on the high points?


Un-bottom-paging myself.

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Aqizithiuda
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:24 pm

Saigonias wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
*mingles troops with unarmed slaves and attacks*

*ensures all vital areas have high concentrations of slave women and children*

And that is why you need a better MMW.

That's my main weapon, I also have plenty of conventional weapons, you know....


In which case I most likely have more conventional weapons and, given your reluctance to use chemical agents on civilian populations, it seems unlikely that you would fire on unarmed slaves.
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Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:27 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:That's my main weapon, I also have plenty of conventional weapons, you know....


In which case I most likely have more conventional weapons and, given your reluctance to use chemical agents on civilian populations, it seems unlikely that you would fire on unarmed slaves.

That's why my main role in both wars I was in was to evacuate citizens, not truly fight. I only fought when absolutely necessary

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Postby Spreewerke » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:29 pm

Saigonias wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
In which case I most likely have more conventional weapons and, given your reluctance to use chemical agents on civilian populations, it seems unlikely that you would fire on unarmed slaves.

That's why my main role in both wars I was in was to evacuate citizens, not truly fight. I only fought when absolutely necessary


Okay, France. :lol2:

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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:31 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Saigonias wrote:That's why my main role in both wars I was in was to evacuate citizens, not truly fight. I only fought when absolutely necessary


Okay, France. :lol2:

Lol. It's true. But here's the difference between me and France, my forces go into hostile territories to evacuate potentially endangered citizens

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Aqizithiuda
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:33 pm

Saigonias wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
In which case I most likely have more conventional weapons and, given your reluctance to use chemical agents on civilian populations, it seems unlikely that you would fire on unarmed slaves.

That's why my main role in both wars I was in was to evacuate citizens, not truly fight. I only fought when absolutely necessary


In which case, why even have chemical weapons? It sounds like conventional ones would suit you much better.
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.


Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.


Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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The Zeonic States
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:35 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:That's why my main role in both wars I was in was to evacuate citizens, not truly fight. I only fought when absolutely necessary


In which case, why even have chemical weapons? It sounds like conventional ones would suit you much better.


Aqi has a point; my Nation maintains Nuclear and Chemical weapon stores mainly because we use them with some abandon during our more serious combat zones.

We have several destroyers just outfitted with stores of Sarin for in use of shelling Coastal cities and fortifcations.
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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:36 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:That's why my main role in both wars I was in was to evacuate citizens, not truly fight. I only fought when absolutely necessary


In which case, why even have chemical weapons? It sounds like conventional ones would suit you much better.

Because eliminating hostile military bases will be easier while not resulting in near as many saigonias casualties

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Registug
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Postby Registug » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:49 pm

Screw civilians. If they're mingling with the enemy then they ARE the enemy!
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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:49 pm

Registug wrote:Screw civilians. If they're mingling with the enemy then they ARE the enemy!

Even if they're forced to?

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Aqizithiuda
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:54 pm

Saigonias wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
In which case, why even have chemical weapons? It sounds like conventional ones would suit you much better.

Because eliminating hostile military bases will be easier while not resulting in near as many saigonias casualties


And what happens when the enemy uses civilians as shields? Your focus on chem warfare naturally means that you will be comparatively less well equipped than a nation that focuses on the conventional, resulting in needless deaths.
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.


Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.


Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Postby Spreewerke » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:56 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:Because eliminating hostile military bases will be easier while not resulting in near as many saigonias casualties


And what happens when the enemy uses civilians as shields? Your focus on chem warfare naturally means that you will be comparatively less well equipped than a nation that focuses on the conventional, resulting in needless deaths.


Civilians will know to hold their breath, obviously.

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Registug
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Postby Registug » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Saigonias wrote:
Registug wrote:Screw civilians. If they're mingling with the enemy then they ARE the enemy!

Even if they're forced to?

Lives need to be sacrificed to defeat the enemy! If they're not with us they're against us!

(Thus is the mindset of a government who has been fighting anarchists for nearly two decades)
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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
And what happens when the enemy uses civilians as shields? Your focus on chem warfare naturally means that you will be comparatively less well equipped than a nation that focuses on the conventional, resulting in needless deaths.


Civilians will know to hold their breath, obviously.

It's chlorine. Thx for standing up for me but chlorine doesn't work that way, even if it did, they can't hold their breath for that long
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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:58 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:Because eliminating hostile military bases will be easier while not resulting in near as many saigonias casualties


And what happens when the enemy uses civilians as shields? Your focus on chem warfare naturally means that you will be comparatively less well equipped than a nation that focuses on the conventional, resulting in needless deaths.

Again, we contain a sufficiant amount of conventional weapons. Chemical warfare is not all that we use

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:02 pm

Saigonias wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
And what happens when the enemy uses civilians as shields? Your focus on chem warfare naturally means that you will be comparatively less well equipped than a nation that focuses on the conventional, resulting in needless deaths.

Again, we contain a sufficiant amount of conventional weapons. Chemical warfare is not all that we use


But it is, as you say, your main military weapon, which means your stockpiles and delivery systems will be tailored to it. This puts you at a disadvantage in the long run.

Also, chlorine? Really? Why not use something better, something I can't easily make at home?
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.


Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.


Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Spreewerke
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Postby Spreewerke » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:03 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:Again, we contain a sufficiant amount of conventional weapons. Chemical warfare is not all that we use


But it is, as you say, your main military weapon, which means your stockpiles and delivery systems will be tailored to it. This puts you at a disadvantage in the long run.

Also, chlorine? Really? Why not use something better, something I can't easily make at home?


Because then you couldn't make it at home.

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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:04 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:Again, we contain a sufficiant amount of conventional weapons. Chemical warfare is not all that we use


But it is, as you say, your main military weapon, which means your stockpiles and delivery systems will be tailored to it. This puts you at a disadvantage in the long run.

Also, chlorine? Really? Why not use something better, something I can't easily make at home?

My economy can't really afford anything much better, plus it's a mixture of chlorine, bleach and mustard gas. I say chlorine because its the main ingredient in the cocktail.

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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:05 pm

It's cheap and affective

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Postby Spreewerke » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:09 pm

Saigonias wrote:It's cheap and affective


Just like convention weapons.

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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:10 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Saigonias wrote:It's cheap and affective


Just like convention weapons.

Conventional weapons are not all that cheap. Their cost stack

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Aqizithiuda
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:14 pm

Saigonias wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
But it is, as you say, your main military weapon, which means your stockpiles and delivery systems will be tailored to it. This puts you at a disadvantage in the long run.

Also, chlorine? Really? Why not use something better, something I can't easily make at home?

My economy can't really afford anything much better, plus it's a mixture of chlorine, bleach and mustard gas. I say chlorine because its the main ingredient in the cocktail.


Effective? Not so much. Cheap? Definitely. Sarin or a similar nerve gas will probably provide better cost effectiveness, but even then it's only marginal against properly prepared troops.
Saigonias wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
Just like convention weapons.

Conventional weapons are not all that cheap. Their cost stack


And highly dangerous, highly corrosive, not very cost effective gases are?
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.


Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.


Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Saigonias
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Postby Saigonias » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:17 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Saigonias wrote:My economy can't really afford anything much better, plus it's a mixture of chlorine, bleach and mustard gas. I say chlorine because its the main ingredient in the cocktail.


Effective? Not so much. Cheap? Definitely. Sarin or a similar nerve gas will probably provide better cost effectiveness, but even then it's only marginal against properly prepared troops.
Saigonias wrote:Conventional weapons are not all that cheap. Their cost stack


And highly dangerous, highly corrosive, not very cost effective gases are?

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