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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:03 pm

Benomia wrote:


The magazine should be directly below the bolt, not way in front of it.

Well, unless he's got a 2-stage pull-push feed like the Abakhan.

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Postby Idaho Conservatives » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:09 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Isn't there usually a loophole for preban firearms?


Both the '94 ban and this proposed 2013 ban would grandfather in previously purchased firearms (layman's: anything pre-2013 would still be legal). However, this new proposed ban is stating that these grandfathered firearms should/must be registered with the NFA (like machineguns, silencers, etc., already are). Layman's: "Because Class 3 items."

It's ridiculous any way you look at it, really. Off the top of my head, the C96 would be the only semi-automatic handgun that would be legal for purchase as a non-NFA item after the proposed 2013 AWB, but only if it is not one of the mag-fed variants.


Keep in mind that this proposed bill is a "swing-for-the-fences" deal; it's pretty much a gun control wish list that is bound to be whittled down as it passes through Congress. I believe that when the dust has settled, we will probably just have the Brady Bill again. In particular, I cannot see the tax stamp on semi-auto pistols staying. But just in case the majority of this goes through, better get used to your bolt actions and revolvers.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:24 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
I know; He wanted a Carbine that shot what the 74 did didn't he?


Which would be the AK-105 (or AKS-74u if you wanted super-short).


Huh they do shoot diffrent cartridges don't they

o.o Well Not very diffrent ones but diffrent all the same
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Postby Benomia » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:18 pm

AKM?

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Postby Puzikas » Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:37 pm

Benomia wrote:AKM?

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What about it?

Happy 2013 all.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:11 am

Puzikas wrote:
Benomia wrote:AKM?

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What about it?

Happy 2013 all.


You too! :D

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Postby Ibis Galaxy Alliance » Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:56 am

AR-9 Fusion Rifle
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Weight:4.1kg
Ammo:250 rounds
Power Output:720 kilojoules per shot
Rate of fire:81 rpm
Range:1.1 kilometers
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Postby Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat » Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:07 am

Anyone has a rough idea how much weight savings and cost increases polymer-cased 5.45x39mm would have?
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Postby Rentarium » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:23 am

40% or so if you go by the weight savings of 5.56.




NATEC, Inc.
11 Arkansas Street
Plattsburgh, NY 12903

Web: http://www.natec-us.com
The Future of Ammunition…Today!

NATEC Polymer-Cased Ammunition (PCA)

PRODUCT INFORMATION

The Shotgun Shell evolved from Brass to Plastic, so why not Rifle and Pistol Ammunition? NATEC, Inc. is now supplying the commercial market with the World’s First, Patented, High Pressure, Polymer-Cased Ammunition… PCA!

NATEC PCA – Spectrum Ammunition:
- Is Produced with an Exclusively Supplied, State-of-the-Art, Engineered Polymer from DuPont.
- Utilizes Standard, High Quality Projectiles, Primers, and Propellants Supplied by Established Manufacturers.
- Functions Safely in Weapons (without Modification) including Accessory Gear, e.g. Magazines, Clips, Links, etc.
- Is Produced on Modern, Manufacturing Equipment to Stringent ANSI / Mil-Spec Quality Standards.
- Is Made in the U.S.A.

Have you ever been burned by a hot shell case from the shooter next to you? With PCA – Spectrum Ammunition this is not a problem; the fired cases are immediately cool to the touch.

Polymer, as a natural insulator
• Increases the propellant burn rate yielding comparable ballistics with lower charge weights.
• Reduces the heat transference to the weapon.

Polymer, as a material
• Maintains “Dimensional Memory”, reducing required extraction forces and producing less recoil.
• Reduces the overall weight of the cartridge. Without projectile and propellant the lightweight polymer case results in a weight reduction of:
o ~ 39% compared to a .223 REM brass case (~ 1 lb./200 rounds).
o ~ 35% compared to a .308 WIN brass case (~ 1.3 lbs./200 rounds).
o ~ 47% compared to a 50 cal brass case (~ 11.2 lbs./200 rounds).

PCA – Spectrum ammunition is produced through a streamlined manufacturing process on state-of-the-art, SPC-equipped machinery. The modern production process is simpler than that of metal-cased products, and results in a superior product that is both accurate and reliable.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:25 am

Benomia wrote:AKM?

(Image)


Something is seriously off about this rifle.
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Postby Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:29 am

Rentarium wrote:40% or so if you go by the weight savings of 5.56.




NATEC, Inc.
11 Arkansas Street
Plattsburgh, NY 12903

Web: http://www.natec-us.com
The Future of Ammunition…Today!

NATEC Polymer-Cased Ammunition (PCA)

PRODUCT INFORMATION

The Shotgun Shell evolved from Brass to Plastic, so why not Rifle and Pistol Ammunition? NATEC, Inc. is now supplying the commercial market with the World’s First, Patented, High Pressure, Polymer-Cased Ammunition… PCA!

NATEC PCA – Spectrum Ammunition:
- Is Produced with an Exclusively Supplied, State-of-the-Art, Engineered Polymer from DuPont.
- Utilizes Standard, High Quality Projectiles, Primers, and Propellants Supplied by Established Manufacturers.
- Functions Safely in Weapons (without Modification) including Accessory Gear, e.g. Magazines, Clips, Links, etc.
- Is Produced on Modern, Manufacturing Equipment to Stringent ANSI / Mil-Spec Quality Standards.
- Is Made in the U.S.A.

Have you ever been burned by a hot shell case from the shooter next to you? With PCA – Spectrum Ammunition this is not a problem; the fired cases are immediately cool to the touch.

Polymer, as a natural insulator
• Increases the propellant burn rate yielding comparable ballistics with lower charge weights.
• Reduces the heat transference to the weapon.

Polymer, as a material
• Maintains “Dimensional Memory”, reducing required extraction forces and producing less recoil.
• Reduces the overall weight of the cartridge. Without projectile and propellant the lightweight polymer case results in a weight reduction of:
o ~ 39% compared to a .223 REM brass case (~ 1 lb./200 rounds).
o ~ 35% compared to a .308 WIN brass case (~ 1.3 lbs./200 rounds).
o ~ 47% compared to a 50 cal brass case (~ 11.2 lbs./200 rounds).

PCA – Spectrum ammunition is produced through a streamlined manufacturing process on state-of-the-art, SPC-equipped machinery. The modern production process is simpler than that of metal-cased products, and results in a superior product that is both accurate and reliable.


Mm thanks!
*Goes all polymer casing*
That aside, mixing Eastern Bloc ammunition with polymer casing (which is pretty 'American/Western Bloc') feels quirky...
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Questers wrote:Tank design by nation.

Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
Chinese tanks are designed by Russia.
Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
German tanks are designed to win racecourses.
French tanks are designed to win beauty competitions.
American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:31 am

wouldn't a ploymer casing be weaker than a normal casing?
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Postby Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:36 am

San-Silvacian wrote:wouldn't a ploymer casing be weaker than a normal casing?


Supposedly, this is not always the case...
Speaking of that, I've become a little concerned about whether polymer cases can be recycled like brass ones, for reasons of economy.
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Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
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Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
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American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

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Postby Kouralia » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:52 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:(Image)

Is that an 81mm mortar, or 60mm?
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Postby Cordessia » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:54 am

Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat wrote:Supposedly, this is not always the case...
Speaking of that, I've become a little concerned about whether polymer cases can be recycled like brass ones, for reasons of economy.


Recycling polymer cases? Wouldn't the heat sort of deform polymer cases? Granted, brass cases expand as well, but they can be resized and annealed to remove any stress. I somehow doubt that's possible with polymer type casings...

There's also the slight problem of heat as well. Polymer casings don't remove heat from the weapon well at all, which could lead to some unfortunate cases of cook-off, especially in closed-bolt automatic weapons.

Polymer cases could be used in military applications (where lighter and cheaper is the order of the day), but the civilians will tend to stick to the reloadable brass.

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Postby Kouralia » Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:00 am

Ibis Galaxy alliance wrote:AR-9 Fusion Rifle
(Image)
Weight:4.1kg
Ammo:250 rounds
Power Output:720 kilojoules per shot
Rate of fire:81 rpm
Range:1.1 kilometers
Scope:8x

Okay, that looks like a cool AR-15 mod.

I am totally having my 'Men in Black'-style organisation use that for some genre-savvy 'Look like we has superiortechs, now listen and stop panicking' purpose.
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Postby The Syndicate Union » Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:02 am

AK-12 a more modernised version of the ak series designed by kaleshnikov himself

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Postby Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat » Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:07 am

Cordessia wrote:
Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat wrote:Supposedly, this is not always the case...
Speaking of that, I've become a little concerned about whether polymer cases can be recycled like brass ones, for reasons of economy.


Recycling polymer cases? Wouldn't the heat sort of deform polymer cases? Granted, brass cases expand as well, but they can be resized and annealed to remove any stress. I somehow doubt that's possible with polymer type casings...

There's also the slight problem of heat as well. Polymer casings don't remove heat from the weapon well at all, which could lead to some unfortunate cases of cook-off, especially in closed-bolt automatic weapons.

Polymer cases could be used in military applications (where lighter and cheaper is the order of the day), but the civilians will tend to stick to the reloadable brass.


Ah, far as I know, the idea goes that polymer is a bad conductor and therefore is not going to absorb much heat, which is needed to melt. That aside, I'm pretty much clueless.

Also, LANOS THE 'POLYMER DUDE' WHERE ARE YOU? :P
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Questers wrote:Tank design by nation.

Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
Chinese tanks are designed by Russia.
Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
German tanks are designed to win racecourses.
French tanks are designed to win beauty competitions.
American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

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Postby Central and Eastern Visayas » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:00 am

Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat wrote:
Cordessia wrote:
Recycling polymer cases? Wouldn't the heat sort of deform polymer cases? Granted, brass cases expand as well, but they can be resized and annealed to remove any stress. I somehow doubt that's possible with polymer type casings...

There's also the slight problem of heat as well. Polymer casings don't remove heat from the weapon well at all, which could lead to some unfortunate cases of cook-off, especially in closed-bolt automatic weapons.

Polymer cases could be used in military applications (where lighter and cheaper is the order of the day), but the civilians will tend to stick to the reloadable brass.


Ah, far as I know, the idea goes that polymer is a bad conductor and therefore is not going to absorb much heat, which is needed to melt. That aside, I'm pretty much clueless.

Also, LANOS THE 'POLYMER DUDE' WHERE ARE YOU? :P

In such a case, why not go caseless?

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:22 am

Ibis Galaxy alliance wrote:AR-9 Fusion Rifle
(Image)
Weight:4.1kg
Ammo:250 rounds
Power Output:720 kilojoules per shot
Rate of fire:81 rpm
Range:1.1 kilometers
Scope:8x


So what isi t? A laser, Railgun, Plasma rifle, or from the look of it just a really cool AR
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Postby Benomia » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:23 am

Puzikas wrote:
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What about it?

Happy 2013 all.

I want to know if it's an AKM.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:39 am

Benomia wrote:
Puzikas wrote:

What about it?

Happy 2013 all.

I want to know if it's an AKM.


Its a photoshoped thing that resembles one.

There is allot wrong with it.
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Postby Crookfur » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:05 am

Kouralia wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:(Image)

Is that an 81mm mortar, or 60mm?


dude, page number, check it

:)

happy new year everyone!
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Postby Crookfur » Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:06 am

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Ibis Galaxy alliance wrote:AR-9 Fusion Rifle
(Image)
Weight:4.1kg
Ammo:250 rounds
Power Output:720 kilojoules per shot
Rate of fire:81 rpm
Range:1.1 kilometers
Scope:8x


So what isi t? A laser, Railgun, Plasma rifle, or from the look of it just a really cool AR


its an airsoft gun so it should really say .72 joules per shot ;)
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Postby Puzikas » Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:03 am

The Zeonic States wrote:
Puzikas wrote:

What about it?

Happy 2013 all.


You too! :D

Sometimes i really miss the Third Reich; Got a decent picture painted of it but never got to see it in person, Not born anywhere near long ago enough to have seen it.

Saw the Berlin wall back it was still standing though, Saw it crumble a few years later.


My grandfather killed Germans from day one to the last seconds of the war.
Then he stood guard as the wall went up
My father came a year or so later.
He went to Afghanistan before it was cool. I was about two or three.
My grandfather still wanted to kill germans up until the final day of his life, and told me that if I ever fell for a German girl, he would come back from the dead and kick the shit out of me.

Little look into how deep the wounds go for a soviet in terms of the germans.
Sevvania wrote:I don't post much, but I am always here.
Usually waiting for Puz ;-;

Goodbye.

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