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Who should be the OP of the next Main Military Weapons thread

Aqizithiuda
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Corda
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Kouralia
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Puzikas
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Total votes : 165

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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:19 pm

Virana wrote:I've got a question regarding the use of explosive weapons by my infantry. I'm thinking of issuing unguided rocket weapons on a larger scale for both anti-personnel and anti-armor purposes (since rockets provide a brilliant way to suppress enemy infantry); the idea essentially goes along with deployment tactics for RPGs. It needs to be a light-ish weapon with decent characteristics in terms of explosive power. It's really going to be used as an assault weapon by infantry platoons.

I was thinking the SMAW is a good idea, or maybe the FGM-172B SRAW-MPV. Any other/better ideas?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gusta ... less_rifle
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Postby Virana » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:19 pm

Torrocca wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
This is actually not half bad.

I suggest SpreeKs though, they are like the Russians, but obv. better.


nooo

we like our weapons to be Russian-made only

that way we can share magazines with soldiers when someone using the same weapon or variation of said weapon runs out of ammo

Can't Spree's AKs accept standard AK magazines as well? And don't they use mostly the same parts but with improvements where the AK series really, really needed them?
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:20 pm

No one comment on my rifle? :(

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Postby Torrocca » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:20 pm

Virana wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
nooo

we like our weapons to be Russian-made only

that way we can share magazines with soldiers when someone using the same weapon or variation of said weapon runs out of ammo

Can't Spree's AKs accept standard AK magazines as well? And don't they use mostly the same parts but with improvements where the AK series really, really needed them?


really?

well then, I guess we can start using those
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Postby Virana » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:21 pm

Immoren wrote:
Virana wrote:I've got a question regarding the use of explosive weapons by my infantry. I'm thinking of issuing unguided rocket weapons on a larger scale for both anti-personnel and anti-armor purposes (since rockets provide a brilliant way to suppress enemy infantry); the idea essentially goes along with deployment tactics for RPGs. It needs to be a light-ish weapon with decent characteristics in terms of explosive power. It's really going to be used as an assault weapon by infantry platoons.

I was thinking the SMAW is a good idea, or maybe the FGM-172B SRAW-MPV. Any other/better ideas?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gusta ... less_rifle

I considered the Carl Gustav but thought maybe SMAW would be a better idea.

How's CG compare with the SMAW or SRAW-MPV?
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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:22 pm

Virana wrote:

I considered the Carl Gustav but thought maybe SMAW would be a better idea.

How's CG compare with the SMAW or SRAW-MPV?

It's better 'cos it's served so long. :P
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:23 pm

Just do what I do and develop a RPG-7 derivative with the fancy electronic airburst munitions and all that fancy modern western stuff. The one thing I like about the RPG-7 is that it can be carried, loaded and fired by one man and is light enough that said man can also carry a rifle with him.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:23 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:No one comment on my rifle? :(


no body likes you :>

jk

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:24 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:No one comment on my rifle? :(


no body likes you :>

jk

<3

You like my rifle? :hug:

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:25 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
no body likes you :>

jk

<3

You like my rifle? :hug:

What rifle?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Virana » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Virana wrote:Can't Spree's AKs accept standard AK magazines as well? And don't they use mostly the same parts but with improvements where the AK series really, really needed them?


really?

well then, I guess we can start using those

Here's the link. Check out the T3-12 series of AKs, those're what I was referring to.

Purpelia wrote:Just do what I do and develop a RPG-7 derivative with the fancy electronic airburst munitions and all that fancy modern western stuff. The one thing I like about the RPG-7 is that it can be carried, loaded and fired by one man and is light enough that said man can also carry a rifle with him.

That's an option, but I was considering more western stuff to fit the overall western theme I set for my nation's military. That's why I'm looking for a lightweight rocket launcher platform to use as an assault weapon.
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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:27 pm

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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Torrocca » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Virana wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
really?

well then, I guess we can start using those

Here's the link. Check out the T3-12 series of AKs, those're what I was referring to.

Purpelia wrote:Just do what I do and develop a RPG-7 derivative with the fancy electronic airburst munitions and all that fancy modern western stuff. The one thing I like about the RPG-7 is that it can be carried, loaded and fired by one man and is light enough that said man can also carry a rifle with him.

That's an option, but I was considering more western stuff to fit the overall western theme I set for my nation's military. That's why I'm looking for a lightweight rocket launcher platform to use as an assault weapon.


those are awesome :­D

I wonder where he went to to make those, because I want to make some of my own now
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Purpelia wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:You like my rifle? :hug:

What rifle?

This rifle.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Purpelia wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:You like my rifle? :hug:

What rifle?


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Postby Alimeria II » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:29 pm

Benomia wrote:
Alimeria II wrote:I hereby declare this the smallest scale so far posted in Mod 7


I hereby declare THIS the smallest scale so far posted in Mod 7!
This probably counts as something. Also, that's not what I mean by scale. When people refer to scale, they normally are referring how many pixels equals however many feet. Mine is 2px=1 inch, which was developed in the CY thread.

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WOW. So much power right there.
Can't tell if Sarcastic or not. But if it was, I think if a 30-06 can kill an elk without having to use multiple shots (if you aim correctly), then it is probably powerful. Also, Alimeria is a Steampunk Nation from around 1915 AD so it really isn't too bad using a cartridge like 30-06.

And apparently the 30-06 was able to pierce through like 3 Japs or something. So it is rather powerful.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:32 pm

Alimeria II wrote:
Benomia wrote:
I hereby declare THIS the smallest scale so far posted in Mod 7!
This probably counts as something. Also, that's not what I mean by scale. When people refer to scale, they normally are referring how many pixels equals however many feet. Mine is 2px=1 inch, which was developed in the CY thread.

The Legion of Kane wrote:30-06?

WOW. So much power right there.
Can't tell if Sarcastic or not. But if it was, I think if a 30-06 can kill an elk without having to use multiple shots (if you aim correctly), then it is probably powerful. Also, Alimeria is a Steampunk Nation from around 1915 AD so it really isn't too bad using a cartridge like 30-06.

And apparently the 30-06 was able to pierce through like 3 Japs or something. So it is rather powerful.


WW2 Japs are also 140 pound Asians with the body build of a 12-year old Aryan boy.
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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:42 pm

FUTUREGUN

The ultimate HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG infantry weapon. Tacticool? More like tactifail. If your weapon needs something, that something should come built-in, not attached via some cludgy mechanical interface.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:43 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:FUTUREGUN

The ultimate HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG infantry weapon. Tacticool? More like tactifail. If your weapon needs something, that something should come built-in, not attached via some cludgy mechanical interface.


So where's the stats and detailed image?

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Postby Immoren » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:44 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:FUTUREGUN

The ultimate HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG infantry weapon. Tacticool? More like tactifail. If your weapon needs something, that something should come built-in, not attached via some cludgy mechanical interface.


So where's the stats and detailed image?


In Sen's imagination. *nods*
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Postby Bajireyn » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:47 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:FUTUREGUN

The ultimate HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG infantry weapon. Tacticool? More like tactifail. If your weapon needs something, that something should come built-in, not attached via some cludgy mechanical interface.

Well,not all of us are that advanced!

By my estimation it will take at least another 100,000 years before Bajireyn can build something like that.
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KVG-09
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Type: Semi-Automatic
Designed in: Imeriata
Produced: 1975- present
Designer: Hans auf Sadersjö
Designed: 1975
Manufacturer: the royal merchant guild (the Sadersjö arm forge)

Weight: 4.3 kg loaded
Length: 1000mm (Standard)
750 mm (carbine)
Barrel length: 600 mm
350 mm (carbine)
Cartridge: 8x56mm Khönungskot
Calibre: 8 mm calibre
Sights: Iron sight.
Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s
Effective range: 750 m
Rate of fire: Semi-Automatic
Action: gas operated semi automatic.
Feed system: 10 round magazine.

Background

In the early seventies was it obvious to most royal guards officers and civilian noblemen that the bolt action KVG-08 was outdated and it needed to be replaced with a a more modern weapon. However so were the resistance to this rather high since the proven and robust KVG-08 had triumphed again and again on the field of battle. And a lot of people felt uncomfortable about changing the weapon that had saved the federation in the Civil war. Another problem arose from the large number of officers that doubted that anyone could create a weapon as great as the predecessor which further made people resistant to change the well know and loved rifle.
The task to build and to design the new weapon termed KVG-09 or "Khöngliga vakt gevar mark 09" (eng: Royal guard firearm mark 09) where in the end handed to the auf Sandersja house that had designed the earlier KVG-08 to appease both factions in the military. The new weapon needed to be similar looking to the old KVG-08 but still needed to be easy to maintain and manufacture as well as be semi-automatic.
After a series of tests and rejections so were Hans auf Sadersja finally able to present the KVG-09 to the military high command which after various tests concluded that the weapon was "more than capable in both glorious melee with bayonets and at long range firefights!". The weapon went into production and in the invasion of New freedia so were units armed with KGV-09 able to shoot down enemies at much greater ranges and speeds than the traditional KVG-08 and soon had it replaced it's predecessor entirely in the royal guard.
After it had been issued as a standard weapon did it not take long until one could find new versions of the rifle introduced in the guard and the first versions that were issued besides the standard rifle were the super bent magasine version and the ivory and ebony versions that were quickly introduced for the richer armies and regiment's who could afford them.


Construction

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To be a reliable and good weapon for both melee and long range combat so is the KVG made out of stainless steel and wood with few moving parts and is as a result also easy to clean. Thanks to it's heavy weight so is the recoil low and it's design makes it a marvellous weapon for melee fighting as you can quickly and easily put a rather large force behind a strike regardless if you are using it to stab or to cut at your enemies.
With a gas operated long stroke so is the weapon quite reliable at the cost of a slightly heavier recoil than it should have been with another stroke system even if the relative high weight of the rifle helps to a degree to stop that particular drawback. With two good and proper iron sights so is the gun also quite easy to aim with and on long ranges so is it able to stand up to most things that the world can throw at it's owner. However despite all this so is the KVG's weakness medium range combat as it lacks the fast speed and manoeuvrability of a shorter rifle and it tends to get in the way in terrain that does not allow for much moment as indoor fighting.
While normally feed from a short ten round magazine so is the KVG also able to be feed from a larger twenty round one and there is a simple modification that allows the KVG to be armed with a massive super bent magazine with 50 rounds.

Ammunition

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The KVG-09 is armed with the heavy 8x56mm Khönungskot just as most heavy infantry weapons used by the federal krigsmakt is, and while it is normally only loaded with the standard bullet that is cheep and reliable so does other versions exists and above can we see (from left to right):
the standard bullet



(First and second picture) A normal bullet made out of lead that is cheep to produce and packs a rather heavy punch towards anyone that is hit by this large round.
Tracer round



(third) The Tracer round is often reserved for heavy machineguns even if it is also common for them to be used by the infantry to help them aim. Built with magnesium components so do this bullet burns bright and white so that the royal guardsman can correct his aim after the first bullet.
Armour piercing


(Fourth and fifth) With a tungsten dart so is the Armour piercing bullet able to take on enemy heavy infantry armour and even lighter vehicles would the need arise.
Blank



(sixth and seventh) While a blank round is mostly used for training as it is does not contain a projectile so is it still used by guardsmen that will be equipped with rifle grenades to propeller the grenade forward.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:49 pm

You ackjasses would start up again while I'm out to dinner.

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Postby Virana » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:49 pm


Dude that almost made me jizz.

No, not really. A little large of a caliber, too heavy ammunition. It's made to blow up tanks rather than suppress infantry. Although it is a possibility.

Anyways...

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Top is the 7.62 mm version, bottom is the 6.8. I haven't developed a scale, although it wouldn't be difficult to come up with one. Again, it's my first stab at linearting.

Anyways, I'm planning on using a swinging chamber design like the LSAT alongside CTA ammo in the weapon. Any suggestions to alter the cosmetics to suit that?
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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:50 pm

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Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:FUTUREGUN

The ultimate HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG infantry weapon. Tacticool? More like tactifail. If your weapon needs something, that something should come built-in, not attached via some cludgy mechanical interface.


So where's the stats and detailed image?


What do you want to know?

The image is as detailed as it will ever be. Because there are no more details to add. Not even color, since it's see-through.
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