Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Mod 7

[San-Silvacian]

With bolt action, you have to go up-back-forward-down. With lever action, you only have to go down-up.

Correction, Curve down-front.

Anyway, the difference is negligible so as to make no difference.

Depends on action.

Arisaka action was up, pull back, push forward, down. Mauser action had a curve i think.

[Kouralia]

In case you haven't noticed, I'm not serious about the lever action.

It's very hard to convey sarcasm over the internet. Over accentuate it with the use of something like the ' '.

[Spreewerke]

Correction, Curve down-front.

Anyway, the difference is negligible so as to make no difference.

Depends on action.

Arisaka action was up, pull back, push forward, down. Mauser action had a curve i think.

All bolt-actions are up, back, forward, down. The curved bolt vs. straight bolt is a leverage and/or scope clearance thing.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The Cobra (EM-1, as opposed to the EM-2 Mamba) had a sort of 'bracket' into which the gas tube and barrel both fitted in, which were then slotted inside the receiver. Judging from the image I have here, the EM-2 also had a similar arrangement.

Would this generate any sort of instability/harmonics/play issues with regards to accuracy, as opposed to the traditional method of screwing the barrel directly into the receiver?

el cobra

[Spreewerke]

The Cobra (EM-1, as opposed to the EM-2 Mamba) had a sort of 'bracket' into which the gas tube and barrel both fitted in, which were then slotted inside the receiver. Judging from the image I have here, the EM-2 also had a similar arrangement.

Would this generate any sort of instability/harmonics/play issues with regards to accuracy, as opposed to the traditional method of screwing the barrel directly into the receiver?

el cobra

I have always heard that a screwed-in barrel is more accurate than pinned. At the same time, I have fired a Russian SKS and a Chinese SKS and didn't really notice that much of a difference at all (none, really). Being pinned in would just make it more difficult to replace, I imagine, and not much else, really.

[Nua Corda]

Just popping in to mention this:

Among my grandfather's personal effects I uncovered a "US Navy Landing Force and Small Arms Manual, 1905" which belonged to his father, who served in WWI. It contains tons of interesting/useful information, including diagrams of the M1903 Springfield, instructions for aiming field artillery, close order drill, sword and bayonet drills for US Naval Infantrymen during the first world war era. If anyone has any questions, I'll have a look through it. Also, expect me to post interesting excerpts as I uncover them.

As a sidenote, I came this close to also inheriting a GI M1911 and a S&W Model 10 Hand-Ejector (M&P .38) which also belonged to my great grandfather and grandfather, but both weapons were stolen from my grandfather's house in 1984.

[Purpelia]

Just how thick is that thing?

[Spreewerke]

Just popping in to mention this:

Among my grandfather's personal effects I uncovered a "US Navy Landing Force and Small Arms Manual, 1905" which belonged to his father, who served in WWI. It contains tons of interesting/useful information, including diagrams of the M1903 Springfield, instructions for aiming field artillery, close order drill, sword and bayonet drills for US Naval Infantrymen during the first world war era. If anyone has any questions, I'll have a look through it. Also, expect me to post interesting excerpts as I uncover them.

As a sidenote, I came this close to also inheriting a GI M1911 and a S&W Model 10 Hand-Ejector (M&P .38) which also belonged to my great grandfather and grandfather, but both weapons were stolen from my grandfather's house in 1984.

Considering the political climate, I would be more than willing to sell you my made-in-2010-or-so High Standard GI-style 1911 for $1,000.00.

[Aqizithiuda]

The Cobra (EM-1, as opposed to the EM-2 Mamba) had a sort of 'bracket' into which the gas tube and barrel both fitted in, which were then slotted inside the receiver. Judging from the image I have here, the EM-2 also had a similar arrangement.

Would this generate any sort of instability/harmonics/play issues with regards to accuracy, as opposed to the traditional method of screwing the barrel directly into the receiver?

el cobra

I don't know enough to answer your question, but where did you get that awesome pic of the EM2?

[Arkiasis]

FN Five-seven:


SIG P226:

Heckler & Koch G36K


Heckler & Koch G36C


M16A4


Heckler & Koch HK416


Heckler & Koch HK417

Accuracy International AW


Barrett M82


SR25

Benelli M4


Remington 870

Heckler & Koch MP5


FN P90

FN Minimi


FN Mag


M2 Browning

Cartridges

5.56x45mm NATO
7.62x51mm NATO
FN 5.7x28mm
9x19mm Parabellum
.50 BMG (12.7x99mm NATO)
12 Gauge


Edit: Fixed the M2 Browning.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The Cobra (EM-1, as opposed to the EM-2 Mamba) had a sort of 'bracket' into which the gas tube and barrel both fitted in, which were then slotted inside the receiver. Judging from the image I have here, the EM-2 also had a similar arrangement.

Would this generate any sort of instability/harmonics/play issues with regards to accuracy, as opposed to the traditional method of screwing the barrel directly into the receiver?

el cobra

I don't know enough to answer your question, but where did you get that awesome pic of the EM2?

I don't remember which article, but it was on forgottenweapons, comparing the EM-1, 2 and FAL. It had a zip folder of EM-1, EM-2 (the pic is actually the EM-1) and a couple of FAL models at various angles plus field strip.
The folder.
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/photos- ... rototypes/
^there

I was wanting to base the Mod 4's internals off of the EM-2, but the EM-2 disassembly pic is terrible quality. The EM-1's is awesome, so I'm using it for reference.

The Cobra (EM-1, as opposed to the EM-2 Mamba) had a sort of 'bracket' into which the gas tube and barrel both fitted in, which were then slotted inside the receiver. Judging from the image I have here, the EM-2 also had a similar arrangement.

Would this generate any sort of instability/harmonics/play issues with regards to accuracy, as opposed to the traditional method of screwing the barrel directly into the receiver?

el cobra

I have always heard that a screwed-in barrel is more accurate than pinned. At the same time, I have fired a Russian SKS and a Chinese SKS and didn't really notice that much of a difference at all (none, really). Being pinned in would just make it more difficult to replace, I imagine, and not much else, really.

I knew there was a term for what I was thinking.
Well, it could be that the standard, carbine and MAR versions all use the pinned barrel bracket, and the SR-3 has, amongst other modifications, ability to take a screw barrel.

[Cascavia]

M2 Browning
(Image)

I think your M2 Browning is actually an M1919.

[Nua Corda]

FN Five-seven:
(Image)

SIG P226:
(Image)

Heckler & Koch G36K
(Image)

Heckler & Koch G36C
(Image)

M16A4
(Image)

Heckler & Koch HK416
(Image)

Heckler & Koch HK417
(Image)

Accuracy International AW
(Image)

Barrett M82
(Image)

SR25
(Image)

Benelli M4
(Image)

Remington 870
(Image)

Heckler & Koch MP5
(Image)

FN P90
(Image)

FN Minimi
(Image)

FN Mag
(Image)

M2 Browning
(Image)

Cartridges

5.56x45mm NATO
7.62x51mm NATO
FN 5.7x28mm
9x19mm Parabellum
.50 BMG (12.7x99mm NATO)
12 Guage

At least your Logistics department has plenty of choices when they commit suicide...

Unrelated questions:

Pearl-handled Artillery Luger in 6.5 CBJ with laser sight for villainess, y/n?

S&W Governor or Taurus Judge?

CBJ MS or Steyr MPi-81?

[Bajireyn]

Unrelated questions:

Pearl-handled Artillery Luger in 6.5 CBJ with laser sight for villainess, y/n?

Y

[Imperial isa]

M2 Browning
(Image)

I think your M2 Browning is actually an M1919.

indeed

[Aqizithiuda]

I don't know enough to answer your question, but where did you get that awesome pic of the EM2?

I don't remember which article, but it was on forgottenweapons, comparing the EM-1, 2 and FAL. It had a zip folder of EM-1, EM-2 (the pic is actually the EM-1) and a couple of FAL models at various angles plus field strip.
The folder.
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/photos- ... rototypes/
^there

Thanks. I was hoping you'd taken it from the pdf with all the test data, since I can't seem to find it anymore, but that's still a very handy folder to have.

[Yes Im Biop]

FN Five-seven:
(Image)

SIG P226:
(Image)

Heckler & Koch G36K
(Image)

Heckler & Koch G36C
(Image)

M16A4
(Image)

Heckler & Koch HK416
(Image)

Heckler & Koch HK417
(Image)

Accuracy International AW
(Image)

Barrett M82
(Image)

SR25
(Image)

Benelli M4
(Image)

Remington 870
(Image)

Heckler & Koch MP5
(Image)

FN P90
(Image)

FN Minimi
(Image)

FN Mag
(Image)

M2 Browning
(Image)

Cartridges

5.56x45mm NATO
7.62x51mm NATO
FN 5.7x28mm
9x19mm Parabellum
.50 BMG (12.7x99mm NATO)
12 Guage

Nice choice of gun's, But you should choose a better AMR

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Using Falls' NSD custom search, this was the only result I got:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39962190/Mode ... s-Volume-2
Search for 'em-2', it brings up a load of history on it, the L64/65 and the leadup to the SA80 programme. I guarantee it's not what you're looking for, but it does have a comparison table between different cartridges at ranges.
Empirical, not experimental, unfortunately.

[Benomia]

FN Five-seven:
(Image)

SIG P226:
(Image)

Heckler & Koch G36K
(Image)

Heckler & Koch G36C
(Image)

M16A4
(Image)

Heckler & Koch HK416
(Image)

Heckler & Koch HK417
(Image)

Accuracy International AW
(Image)

Barrett M82
(Image)

SR25
(Image)

Benelli M4
(Image)

Remington 870
(Image)

Heckler & Koch MP5
(Image)

FN P90
(Image)

FN Minimi
(Image)

FN Mag
(Image)

M2 Browning
(Image)

Cartridges

5.56x45mm NATO
7.62x51mm NATO
FN 5.7x28mm
9x19mm Parabellum
.50 BMG (12.7x99mm NATO)
12 Guage

Finally we get a new person that knows what they're doing. Nice choice with the Five-Seven and P226, although the only thing I'd change from that list is replacing the M2 with the M2HB.

[-the Ukrainian SSR-]

Nice M1919.

Also, those logistics aren't suicide worthy it's p. much any European army.

[Aqizithiuda]

Using Falls' NSD custom search, this was the only result I got:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39962190/Mode ... s-Volume-2
Search for 'em-2', it brings up a load of history on it, the L64/65 and the leadup to the SA80 programme. I guarantee it's not what you're looking for, but it does have a comparison table between different cartridges at ranges.
Empirical, not experimental, unfortunately.

Thanks.

Do you have a link to the custom search? I haven't been able to find it.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=01475 ... bqevkk2wqi
Pride of place on my bookmarks bar

Spree, could be an idea to put this in the OP.
It's basically a custom google search that puts high return weightings on military and engineering-oriented web pages, making it easier to dredge the more obscure things an NS-related google search might entail.

[Aqizithiuda]

http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=014753297990020738850:obqevkk2wqi
Pride of place on my bookmarks bar

Spree, could be an idea to put this in the OP.
It's basically a custom google search that puts high return weightings on military and engineering-oriented web pages, making it easier to dredge the more obscure things an NS-related google search might entail.

Cheers!

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Anyone got any more opinions on pinned versus screwed barrels? The SKS boards are pretty divided 50/50 into people who are adamant that pinned barrels are not only terrible but also dangerous, and those who say there is no discernible difference or even a slight improvement with a pinned barrel.

As for my use of it, it sort of just feels less advanced than a screwed barrel. It just feels technologically backward.
Though since my military in theory wants to field upwards of a million of these, plus export, it could be an intentional IC thing to speed up manufacturing to make this possible?

From this, it appears the Cobra pinned its barrel bracket in place with those two prongs on the pistol grip and trigger housing. That sounds even less secure than a physical pin (or series thereof) through the side of the weapon.

[Spreewerke]

Anyone got any more opinions on pinned versus screwed barrels? The SKS boards are pretty divided 50/50 into people who are adamant that pinned barrels are not only terrible but also dangerous, and those who say there is no discernible difference or even a slight improvement with a pinned barrel.

As for my use of it, it sort of just feels less advanced than a screwed barrel. It just feels technologically backward.
Though since my military in theory wants to field upwards of a million of these, plus export, it could be an intentional IC thing to speed up manufacturing to make this possible?

From this, it appears the Cobra pinned its barrel bracket in place with those two prongs on the pistol grip and trigger housing. That sounds even less secure than a physical pin (or series thereof) through the side of the weapon.

AKs have used a pinned barrel since 1959. If pinned barrels were somehow more dangerous, I doubt they'd have used them for 53 years now. Same goes for SKSes: the North Vietnamese liked to clean their SKSes constantly, mostly with rain water, mud, blood, sweat, skin oils, and occasional exposures to napalm. Don't recall anyone saying the SKS went the length of the shaft during Vietnam. I imagine the pinned/threaded SKS "debate" is about on-par with "milled/stamped receiver" in the AK world. When it comes down to it, it really doesn't make a difference other than ease of manufacturing.